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We passed on Creed Humphrey for TMJ. Morgan is starting to feel just like Fitterer on draft day.

It’s not surprising. Fitterer in 3 years traded away so much talent (DJ and CMC, basically Burns) and draft picks (2 firsts, 3 2nds and a score of thirds and fourths). We lost so much talent that there was no way to fix both and we didn’t even have the cap space to sign the guards without trading Burns first.

Well, for $30M, we got 1 full year followed by 9 total games in 2 years. Sounds about Pantherrific to me.

I posted about him in another thread because folks were getting excited that he’s developing. We’re past participation trophies, especially for a guy who’s 29 in the first year of his second contract (big assumption). Not sure if you read it, but Burns is in his 6th year and he’s only 6 months older than DJ Johnson. Just the age would have had me going how can we think that a current project player will replace a player who’s basically the same age but already had 5 years in the NFL. That’s a giant red flag. Go find two 21 year old projects instead of trading up for one old project.

It’s not considering the current returns on the 2024 class. 9-8 is possible in 2026 if we have amazing draft classes. Houston getting Stroud, Anderson and Dell in one class made a huge jump. CJ turned Nico into Nico as well that year. Detroit showed some life in 2022, but also added Campbell, Gibbs, La Porta and Branch in the 2023 draft as well and that jumped them to a 12 win contender. We could easily have had Stroud and Dell but we got Young and Mingo. It’s a fine line between poo and diamonds and we for some reason still seem intent on digging through poo.

XL is going to be 24 in January when DJ Moore will still be 27. DJ is now in season 7 in the NFL. We keep drafted older projects, not just projects, but older projects. I hope XL works out but a first round pick on a guy who didn’t have over 167 yards in college until he was in year 5 is honestly way too risky for this club. Go up and get Thomas or Worthy or stay put and grab Coleman. All of those guys are 2 years younger than Leggette.

Yep and it hurts again since we gave up a 2nd, 4th and 6th for Darnold, a 3rd for Henderson, 2 4ths for DJ and Corral, 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Young and so on, all in 3 years. Wasting 1sts to 3rds can’t keep happening because we don’t have the surplus of picks that most rebuilding teams have.

Can we not act like TMJ wasn’t awful? Mingo may be worse but neither one should be on the team. We’ve got too many guys who wouldn’t be on any other roster. TMJ hasn’t played at all this year, not even sure if he’s on a team anymore.

Houston was about the worst team in 2022 (Bears also had 3 wins). Detroit was likely the worst team from 2019-2021 with 11 wins total. 2 years after 3 win seasons, both teams were playoff teams and look to be playoff contenders for a while. Both of them had solid drafts during their low periods. They also got rid of people for picks during that period to make it easier to draft well. We did the opposite and traded away good picks so 2 years is likely 3 for us but unless Brooks really is amazing, our 2024 draft isn’t cutting it for great drafting. We need legit great drafting. We need a Myles Garrett or a CJ Stroud with our top pick in 2025.

Oh, I know that but there was a whole lot of hopium getting smoked in here after the Raiders game. I enjoyed the win but I’m still pretty certain we’ll finish close to where we did last year.

Yep. Bloom is off that rose. Dalton is not a QB that can take this franchise to the playoffs. Dalton is still Dalton.

Awful. Safety was watching it the whole time and Mingo didn’t even appear to look the right way. SMH. The amount of draft picks we’ve just literally wasted the past few years is unbelievable.

He really did. It’s truly amazing and we see evidence of his failures in every game we watch.

Shame we won’t own our own second at pick 33. SMH.

It’s the Fitterer bowl. It’s basically the Panthers (team he built) versus the Bears (where he sent our trash). It’s funny that we would would take each individual piece of that trade over Young now: 2023 pick 9, 2023 2nd rounder, 2024 pick 1, DJ Moore and 2025 pick 33. Somehow we traded it all. SMH.

Had a feeling this would be a get right game for Williams.

Miss Jackson, if you’re nasty.

Yep, that’s what I said. If he suddenly becomes Julius Peppers that would be nice. We have nobody at edge right now. I’d expect a 26 year old that we used a 3rd and 4th on would be developed. It amazes me how low our expectations are right now that a guy with 1 TFL and 1 QB hit and a half sack in 4 games is a feel good story. We need more than a feel good story. I’d bet there is at least one bench edge player on the other 31 teams that could step in and start for us right now. DJ Johnson is tied for 189th place in sacks with a half sack. That’s basically 6 guys for every team with a sack. I don’t know why, but it annoys me when guys get lauded for below average play with no real impact. Our OL is having a huge impact, as is Dalton, but DJ is far from impact and hopefully gets replaced in the draft.

This is why:

Shefter said that yesterday, that he wasn’t going to sign with us after this season. Morgan should be talking to him and seeing if an extension is off the table. If it is, trade him for whatever you can get.

DJ is 26 years old in a couple weeks. He should be developed already. He’ll be 29 in the first year of his second contract. I don’t know why we keep drafting projects that are already older. Burns is in his 6th year in the league and he’s only 6 months older than DJ.

In what world are you living. The first 1st would have just been made in the 2024 draft and we’d have two 1sts in the upcoming 2025 draft. The 2nd was pick 36 in the 2023 draft, so we’d have already used two of the three picks. 4 to 5 years out? It wasn’t part of the conversation because it wasn’t reality. I kept saying that people who argued against it didn’t get that we’d get two solid starters with the money we saved (Hunt and Lewis) plus be one good GM away from also getting 3 rookie starters, any of whom might be better than Burns by himself. I was 100% right and everyone who argued against the trade was 100% wrong, period. It was an awful trade to not make. Fitterer fuged up, simple as that. We made the Burns trade one 2-14 year later and turned a 2024 1st and 2025 1st into a 2024 5th and 2025 5th. The biggest fug up by Fitterer was not using the Burns trade as our feeder into a rookie QB. Making the Rams Burns trade would have basically made the mistake of Young not devastating to our talent. Fitterer doubled down and lost both.

There are guys like him in every draft. Guys like Dell and Downs. Just because we can’t draft quick/get open WRs doesn’t mean they aren’t there. We aren’t a contender. Yes, we beat the Raiders, but that’s all we got. We have a chance to beat bad teams if the D doesn’t poo the bed. If we can get a good long term asset, we should. Not a day 3 pick but a legit pick from a team that is a contender and is in desperate need of a quality WR. Heck, who’s to say we can throw money at DJ after the season since Rice will likely be healthy for 2025.

It would need to be at least a 2nd or say a 2026 1st. Rice being hurt is huge for KC. They could have lost every single game so far and Kelce without Rice still only managed 7 for 80. Their running game is hurt. They are 4-0 and have the tiebreaker with the Ravens. A trade might be the only way to keep them with a chance. We could take advantage of their weakness right now.

Don’t remember preseason 2023 at all? There were tons of threads on how bad the OL looked. Iky was getting killed in one on one situations. Not blitzes, just man on man, this one guy is who you have to block. Hendrickson causing the interception of Dalton being an example of how Iky was losing one on one all the time in 2023. You are completely ignoring the fact that our entire interior OL wasn’t there in 2023 and Iky was playing awful. Maybe you don’t remember this but our 2023 OL was terrible. It didn’t help that Young sucked as well but they were bad well before we knew Young sucked.