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I don’t know why we wouldn’t keep him another year. Canales isn’t a D guy and if we keep Evero and he does well we could get 2 3rds if he gets hired as a HC. It’s one thing to let Brown walk because Canales wants his OC to implement his offense. On the D side he likely doesn’t have a preference and Evero did fine this year. F other teams as a DC, why would we not keep him and then get the benefit if he does get a HC position.

Olsen has been really good. I’m interested to see if he can maintain it. I remember when Romo was on fire to start his broadcasting career being Luke like and basically calling out plays before they happened. He seems to have lost his luster and honestly annoys me more now. He said something about the first roughing the passer being Baltimore’s first penalty and my son said what about the holding call on a pass play right at the start. He just seems like his magic touch is gone.

Okudah was a disappointment due to his play, not injuries. It’s not an apples to apples comparison. A trade partner would only be betting on him staying healthy not betting they could get him to play better. I agree that a 5th rounder is a waste. It would need to be a pick where we could reasonably get an impact starter otherwise keep a cheap Horn and hope he stays healthy for trade bait (since he won’t be cheap) or extend him.

I hate to say that I agree with you. If I could get a future 1st (2025), I’d do it. He hasn’t helped us so far because of all the missed games, which don’t even count missing many partial games when he got hurt in game or was on a pitch count coming back. The biggest issue is that he’s a top ten pick so the 5th year/franchise options aren’t cheap and we’ve already wasted 3 out of 4 cheap rookie contract years and we aren’t competing in 2024 so a future talent means more. Right now, I think only Brown is a real “reliable” anchor and Luvu is likely reasonable enough to keep long term. Burns is an enigma because he is young enough but he doesn’t appear to be worth what it would cost. We fuged up the best deal we would get but if I could get a first+ for him I would also trade him. Everyone else is on the block for picks and cap space to rollover because we won’t be competing until we solve the Young debacle.

CMC was interviewed after the trade and said he was surprised and upset. Here’s one article: https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/cmc-realizes-49ers-trade-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-him/1502380/?amp=1 Let’s be honest, with what we know about Fitterer pretty much fuging up every move he made, it makes way more sense that he thought it would be a good trade for us.

The current Detroit GM has seemingly done pretty well. The Rams GM had an amazing draft this year as did the Texans. Texans had Stroud, Anderson, and Dell and also had two rookie OL who started a combined 13 games and a rookie LB that started 6 games. Rams had Nucua, Avila, Young, Turner and their starting punter along with some other depth.

Lol, what a BS call that was. Duke guy pushing off multiple times barely gets touched on his follow through and he did two head snap backs before flopping like he got tackled. I just knew as I watched that he’d get bailed out by a ref who was just waiting to blow the whistle. It would be awesome to see flopping get called. Most teams don’t do it but Duke appears to teach snapping your head back to get calls. You would have thought he got punched in the face twice and then got shot.

Yeah, I agree. That also dinged up Jones. Blatant trip.

Guys like Scarlett and Gaulden didn’t even make it from the 2018 and 2019 drafts to 2020. There were 7, yes 7, picks from 2018/2019 that didn’t make it to the 2020 Panthers even though we lost a ton of vets going into 2020. 1 player a draft is not average. That’s bad. 2 per draft is Ok and treading water. 3 or more is great and you are improving the team. Also, when I say hit, it’s an impact starter not Hubbard or Christensen who are easily replaced.

Since Marty came back, he and Fitt have been atrocious at just getting the bulk of their rookies selected post round 1 to finish out their rookie deals.

Wow, blast from the past. Omenihu caused that fumble and I remember his draft. He hasn’t been a world beater but he was graded as a day 2 pick and dropped and Hurney picked Jordan Scarlett instead of DL depth. @ncfan might remember that draft and how mad I was that we didn’t take him for a stupid reach at RB for a guy who never did poo and lasted 1 year with us. This KC team is loaded with guys we should have taken and wanted to take in our draft threads.

Just a daily affirmation that we should all be glad that Fitterer is gone and should all say a prayer that Morgan/the scouts don’t stay on the same path. KC’s offensive line, even without Thuney, has been playing extremely well against Baltimore so far. We could have drafted Humphrey and Smith in 2021 when we desperately needed OL and instead got TMJ and a long snapper.

Yep. Let’s be honest, we were the worst team in football and our QB would take a miracle to get better and we don’t have our 1st this year and 2nd in 2025. Spending on short term FAs (like we have since Marty 2.0 in 2018) is putting lipstick on a pig. Roll some cap over so in 2026 we can splurge. Texans, Lions and Rams are all examples of pretty quick turn arounds in the past couple seasons from the draft. Texans and Rams had huge hauls in 2023. One big difference with them and us is that they had/found their QBs. We need to hit it in the draft. It’s just that simple and until then cap space should stay large to have a mountain once we’ve built up some young talent. My main worry is that we hired from within a horrific front office for our talent evaluations. We needed to gut our scouting because let’s be honest, the draft the past 3 years is 100% of the reason why we suck.

If Ron was fired after 2015, it would have been comparable. Harbaugh was fired after his 3rd straight playoff year. Ron was fired after the team finished 2018/2019 with 1-7 and 0-8 finishes.

Let’s hope Morgan learned something because he was a part of the mess.

2 3rds, not just one. I think it’s 1 year 1 and 1 year 2.

It’s really irritating seeing these excuses for Frank (and Josh). If they truly loved Stroud over Young, they couldn’t convince collaborative Scott? Stroud called Nicole Mama Tepp, so maybe Frank and Josh overruled her and she wanted Stroud. We said good things about every prospect. I remember an article or tweet that Frank liked Young best but had Richardson as his second choice. You could find tweets and articles about every prospect and Frank/Scott saying nice things. Even the QBs in 2022 had blurbs and good things said about all of them.

No he wasn’t. The only QB that Frank developed was Wentz in his first two years. Luck and Rivers were many years into their careers before they played for Frank and Frank went all vets after Luck, including Rivers again.

Well, aside from spending $40M a year on WRs for noodle arm, why draft 2 rookie WRs if we keep Thielen and Mingo as well? I can assure you that Evans and Higgins aren’t signing 1-2 year deals. I want to draft a rookie, preferably at 33. It looks like a deep WR class so we could get a guy who would have gone in the 1st in most drafts, like last year when reached for Mingo in a great TE class. If we can get a Downs/Dell type in the 4th (possible again due to deep class), I would be happy with that too. I’d rather not spend much cap at all on expensive FAs. Keep Thielen and develop 1-2 rookies plus Mingo so they are ready to be solid starters when we find our real franchise QB. Rollover cap to 2025/2026 to splurge on FAs hopefully after a couple solid drafts and a new QB.

fug me if true. Welp, another 2 more wasted years before we find another QB, coach and GM.

Agreed. I’m not expecting many wins the next couple years but could we just see some improvement, please? How about seeing 2-3 starters from each draft with at least one being really solid and not feeling like the team is getting worse every year? It doesn’t seem like much to ask. I’m just hoping we get back to Rhule/Hurney level where we weren’t good but at least we at least occasionally hung with playoff teams. Still hurts to think how bad Fitterer really was that Rhule/Hurney was a lot better than last year. Just get us there first, baby steps.

Everyone knows we are going to stink in 2024. We don’t have the draft picks and current talent to make some amazing leap like the Rams did this year. They had a fantastic draft but they also still had Stafford, Kupp, Donald, etc. to build around and Williams was drafted in 2022. We will need at least a solid draft in 2024 and 2025 (maybe QB). It all comes down to Morgan and his team. If we get more of his BFF Fitterer type drafting, we’ll be bad for a long time.

Doesn’t it feel like we took Rashawn Gaulden at QB? It cost way freaking more, but Gaulden was by far the most unathletic DB at the combine and he was awful and he lasted less than 2 years with us. Young was basically the same. We were just hoping his physical limitations wouldn’t sink him and it looks like they did and his super processor, which Gaulden definitely didn’t have, couldn’t overcome the noodle arm and this eye level:

I don’t think it can get worse than last year. Sure, we could go 0-17, but I mean in terms of drafting the guy who isn’t being lauded as the next best franchise QB and also trading away a pick that also could be another great franchise QB or a potential Calvin Johnson to go with our great QB. Also, the one asset we have that could have made both happen and we didn’t trade, has been valued lower now and isn’t even extended. Minus our D/ST scores, I think we had the worst offense as well. Get worse to me is that we extend 2018-2023 for more years and still be in the same situation with a mediocre coach, GM and QB. If we make bad choices, it could easily be a decade of 7-9/10 to 2-15 and that would be worse even if we aren’t as bad as the 2023 team.

Actually, I think the best outcome is that Young is the same next year and leads us to the top pick again and we realize he’s not the answer. I think that that is the best chance of a turnaround. I’ll be honest that I don’t think Young will ever have it. He could improve with better weapons but I think that would just be another slow bleed like Teddy was. I hated signing Teddy because I knew he’d be OK enough to mess up the rebuild and that he didn’t have the ceiling to make us a contender. That kills the chance of winning a SB because you get what we’ve had the past 5 years where the coach/GM think we are close and keep wasting resources when we never really had a chance.