WhoKnows

Man, it sucks watching these refs. I mean, how do you not see the hit way before the pass got to Njoku.

Yeah, it really hurts watching teams realizing how talent devoid we are because our GM put together 3 horrible drafts (historically bad like the old Browns taking Manziel, Richardson, Weeden, etc. year after year) and traded away picks and our best players and got nothing in return.

We would have trash Bryce because he wouldn’t have thrown it and gotten sacked or he would have thrown is 5 yards away from Collins.

Maybe a better arm? He absolutely has a better arm. If Young had a solid arm, I think most of us would say he still has a chance to be good. The problem lies squarely with his physical limitations and that’s why most of us don’t think he can ever improve enough to be a good starter.

Fitterer said he loved Young and had been following him for a year prior. We completely flubbed it and I don’t believe Reich and McCown were fighting for Stroud. The same amount of good things and smiles were said about Young by Reich as well. The CYA that he truly wanted on Stroud came out when he was on the hot seat. If our new coach and McCown laid it out on the line that Stroud has to be the pick and that he fit their offense perfectly, there’s no doubt in my mind we take Stroud. It gets tiresome and frankly silly that there’s still an effort by some (not directed at you) to excuse Reich and Fitterer as well (being too nice/collaborative). They aren’t here anymore, why are some still trying to remove blame? This was a complete fug up and we are where we are because of Tepper’s mismanagement, Fitterer’s complete lack of ability and Reich/Brown’s terrible offense and coaching (OL). You couldn’t have done worse overall as an organization if you were intentionally trying to sabotage this team. It will very likely be years before we see success.

I just want the Browns to win. I don’t think I can deal with the pre-game talking heads and announcers lathering up Stroud’s amazing year and him being able to do things everything. Also, it hurt watching a Mahomes segment on how he was a point guard in high school where he says being a point guard helped him with his vision and off platform throws. Our point guard was not really successful doing that except one time when Chark fumbled it out of the end zone.

Obviously. I feel like I recall Peters being discussed when we were replacing Marty and he wanted to stay at SF. It kind of hurt hearing he went to Washington. I’m not really optimistic on what we’ll do.

And had for the past 3 drafts and scores of failed trades/not trades. Now, on to the question. If I had $21B, I’d invent a Time Machine (assume it has a 3 year max) to go back to the 2021 offseason and not hire Fitterer but still can Marty and install myself as GM and use the Huddle and scouts for drafting. My 2021 draft priority is OL, OL and more OL. I’d let Rhule stay because he’s steering the ship in 2022 to get us a much better draft slot than 9th. The rest is gravy and hopefully, I’m sitting on a bounty of picks for 2024/2025 while also having so much more young talent.

You want to adopt me and my youngest son for a weekend? I just need to get my passport updated, pretty sure it expires soon. We are a lot of fun and that would be a blast.

Sure. He didn’t have the balls to say so and change the decision before the draft so he must have grown some balls after he publicly supported Young up until his super great coaching was obvious to see while Young messed up all those amazing plays. Reich sucked and if he, Staley and McCown wanted Stroud so bad, besides wanting to play pickup BBall, they sure did a shitty ass job convincing old pushover Shitterer.

Eh, I know a lot of people hate DG, but in 5 drafts he got Turner, Norwell, Williams, Moton, Butker, Mayo, Klein, KB, Short, Star, CMC, Samuel, Bradberry, Worley (he might get a ring this year), Boston, and Shaq. Not the best GM in the world but enough good to decent picks that you could feel decent about Beane. Also, DG/Beane picked 14, 25, 28 and 31 (Pats forfeited 1st) before getting a top 13 pick. I don’t want to hire a GM just because he’s an ex-Panther and unfortunately there is so little good under Fitterer/Morgan who also had the benefit of picking 8, 6 and 1 and still did poorly. The argument for keeping Fitterer in 2022 was that we didn’t really know what decisions were his. We took a chance and got non-Rhule drafts that were way worse than Rhule/Hurney. It would be different if we drafted a couple studs and knew Morgan was instrumental in those picks but we don’t so why risk it if you can get someone who has proved their ability.

Not sure if you think I said something wrong or the guy I was replying to did.

Right on. So much time and effort to pull the blame off people. I remember a bunch of us who saw that Fitterer sucked after 2021/2022 drafts and wanted him gone with Rhule. Either Fitterer sucked at talent or he was a yes man. To be honest, I still don’t care because both of them (he probably was both) are not what builds a successful team.

SMH. I know the cap extremely well. I don’t need anything explained. The 2024 cap will be gone if we tag Burns and sign a FA like Higgins. That’s not a vast talent improvement. We’d basically have to borrow from 2025 to add more talent and then we’re in that same boat of wasting money on Teddy, Sam, Houston, Sanders, Thomas, Hurst, Donte, etc. (too many to mention) and still having a 2-5 game winning team. Our 2026 cap hit is just our small 2023 draft class that could be 100% backups by then, so of course we have the most space. We likely are the only team without a good player/non-2023 rookie signed in 2026. We are fake cap rich right now because we’ve got no long term talent tied up and we haven’t gone through 2024 free agency. Here’s to hoping the new GM realizes we aren’t going to compete in 2024 so maximize future picks and don’t waste cap space like 2019-2023 to get to 5-7 wins max.

In one game, dude’s laziness cost us two TDs. He only has 1 TD in 3 years so he’s basically a net negative scoring wise in 3 years and we passed over a pro-bowl center, which was a huge need for us.

That hurts to read.

We just need a competent GM and coaching staff. Fitterer really did put the new GM in a bad position but here we are. Just need to actually start hitting on draft picks. I know it’s rare but looking at how the Rams righted their ship in literally one draft without a 1st is impressive. That GM and scouting team did their homework and killed it. They got 4 quality starters, not just starters like TMJ or Thomas.

Who cares? He’s the GM. It’s like Reich not having the balls and conviction to say he wanted Stroud over Young means that he’s incompetent or he didn’t really have that conviction for Stroud. If Fitterer was literally a rubber stamp for others and couldn’t come up with better choices (there were dozens of those) then he should have been fired with Rhule just like many of us told you. I hate these tweets and posts about trying to spread the blame on others. Fitterer’s boss in Seattle wasn’t just a Yes man so he should know better. He didn’t so he deserved to go just like Reich. They both performed poorly and didn’t come to the table with better ideas.

Our numbers look good with rookie QB contract and let’s be honest, the worst roster in the NFL. Our top 11 (stretched to 11 because of who 11 is) cap hits right now in 2024 are Moron, Donte, Brown, Bell, Corbett, Hurst, Thielen, Young, Tuttle, Woods and Sanders. When that’s your top 11, you shouldn’t be 13th in cap space, you should be 1st. Also, LOL at us being 1st in 2026. We have Young, Sanders, Mingo, DJ Johnson, Zavala and Robinson under contract. We literally have 6 guys under contract in 2026 and I wouldn’t be shocked if none of them are starters and half of them aren’t even on the team. Easy to be #1 in cap space in 2026 when you literally don’t have a real starter signed past 2025.

It really isn’t. We’ve paid out way too much for mediocre results. Our 2024 cap according to Spotrac is $40M and that doesn’t include Burns and a full roster. If we tag Burns and say sign Higgins, we are done unless we start eating into 2025. Bumping up against the cap in 2023 and 2024 is sad when you have a rookie QB contract and you win 2-5 games per year. Remember at the beginning of the 2023 offseason when our 2024 cap was lauded for have over $100M in cap (like 2025 now)? Well, that’s because we didn’t even have a full team and now we are one tag and one WR FA signing away from having to restructure deals for a 2-15 team.

Like we should have done in 2020 and 2022 and didn’t.

My god, Burns was completely mishandled. You either accept that huge deal or you don’t and have an extension in hand. We did neither.

CMC said in an interview that he was surprised by the trade. People in here are trying to soften the blow by acting like he wanted out and that he faked injuries to sit out. CMC had never given any indication he was a malcontent. Teams all over have been known to IR players when their season is done and they don’t want a high usage player to get hurt or take a risk of reinjury. Look at our OL issues which seem to stem from getting major injuries in the week 18 game last year and those players never getting really healthy.

Unfortunately, very likely but Fitterer would only have screwed up the 2023 2nd and he wouldn’t have been able to mess up the future 1sts.

It really is getting crazy. Now there’s friends of friends saying Tepper was fighting with them at practice. SMH, he’s a shitty owner but it’s been beyond ridiculous. The funny thing with that picture is that there’s no one on the left side of the tunnel. Someone above said something about an incident. Maybe security saw someone leaning over. If it was a policy, it doesn’t make sense to do one side of the tunnel and not the other but critical thinking is harder LOL. Much easier to just pile on.