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This is a decent draft to build around him while also not wasting resources on short term (like the sign Higgins and Evans crews). I don’t think he’ll work out so I’d rather get a couple WRs and maybe a solid G with picks 33, 65 and 100ish (comp picks). TEs were last year unfortunately. 33/65 would be equivalent of a mid to late first and mid 2nd in terms of WRs so I hope we take advantage of the value at a dire position of need/figure out if Young has it.

Just got to go BPA. This is a deep and solid WR/CB/OT class so just get the best guys you can and hopefully it’s in positions of strength. We should be able to get a WR at 33 that last year might have gone 15-20 many years. Reminds me of the Evans/OBJ draft. That said a really good CB or OT/IOL could slip to 33. We did stupid ass drafting the past 3 years (which worries me about Morgan) like going Mingo instead of securing a TE. We could have used one of the DJ Johnson picks to move up to 33 and leap frog Detroit for La Porta. Instead we take a WR that this year is easily a 3rd rounder+. We need to stop poo like that. Take a TE in a strong TE/weak WR draft and take WRs in a strong WR/weak TE draft.

We still have a big deficit in draft picks this year and next. The last thing we need is to give away more 1sts/2nds to prove that Young isn’t the guy. If Young isn’t it, we are wasting the chance at getting better in the draft. We have to build through the draft, period.

Rams didn’t have a first in the last draft and may have had the best draft outside of Houston who had multiple 1sts. We need to get two above average starters at 33 and 65. It’s the only way we have a chance to improve. If we get a Mingo at 33 we are in trouble again. Morgan was the assistant GM so he helped handicap himself and he has to now get out of it. It really sucks looking at the talent in this draft. It would be hella nice to have 1st overall and the Rams 1st as well as 33 and 65 (and Jalen Carter next to Brown, ugh). Williams, Powers-Johnson at C/G, best WR at 33 and best CB/WR/OL at 65. Oh well, Danny boy needs to lead us out of the darkness or again, no matter how good Canales is, we’ll be a bottom dweller.

SMH. Sure, I’m emotional and angry. It’s called disbelief. Go find some pictures of Stroud with Nicole since he called her mama Tepp. You said this too: I have a feeling that Nicole may have made the pick From your responses, I’m leaning towards you believing that. Everyone on the Panthers staff and ownership had comments and meetings with all of the top QBs. It’s silly to try and use some picture or snippet to prove anything. I’ll repeat what I said to make it clear. Nicole did not make the pick. I can guarantee that. No reason for you to get upset about my disbelief that someone thinks she did.

It really doesn’t matter if Morgan can’t put together way better drafts than he took part in with Fitterer. If the drafts don’t get better, this team won’t be competitive even if Canales is a great coach.

Do you actually believe that Nicole Tepper made a pick that we traded away two firsts, two second and DJ Moore for? I mean, really, how in the world could you really think she made the pick. Stroud called her mama Tepp, maybe she was the only person that actually said draft Stroud. I get the Tepper hate, he’s hired seriously terrible people so far but it’s truly comical that with ex-NFL QBs, ex-coaches who coached HOF/pro-bowl QBs and tons of NFL experience on staff before the draft that people actually believe Nicole Tepper made that pick. We fuged up the pick and many other picks/trades/non-trades the past few years but I personally guarantee that Nicole Tepper did not draft Young.

Exactly. How many NFL QBs have a perfect pocket where they can take a slow drop back and then wind up to get their entire body in the throw and launch it without worrying about a rusher getting there before the release. Someone above mentioned having to anticipate more than say an Allen because of the lack of velocity. That takes a lot of potential plays off the table. Without good velocity, you can’t make quick reads so every WR has to have separation for as long as the anticipation takes. A TE sitting in an opening can’t be hit before a defender can catch up.

How is Hubbard off limits? He’s a JAG. Just because he was the hardest working guy on offense doesn’t mean we can’t do better. That said, trading him is silly as we’d get nothing for him. A 3.8 ypc RB isn’t worth anything to other teams. Remember that we were the only idiots out there that threw big money at FA RBs.

If you think like that we’ll never be a good team again. We suck now and the only legitimate way we can get better is by starting to draft well. Fitterer is gone and while I’m not ecstatic that his right hand man is the new GM, it’s a change that I hope works. At this point, getting just a first for Burns is really risky because we have one pick plus the cap savings for 2 top FAs. The Rams offer would have been perfect as Fitterer wouldn’t be wasting the 2 firsts and there’s a high likelihood we would have thrown the Rams picks to Chicago (they were worth more pre-draft) and maybe kept DJ and our 1st overall. I’m torn but I’d lean towards getting a 1st and cap space because I feel like we are far from contending so I’d rather have a cheaper asset and save space now to rollover to when we are better.

Yes, they have done that. Moton was a draft pick from three GMs ago. Using a 2nd in 2017, a 3rd in 2021 and a 1st in 2022 is not drafting depth/more OL every year. Iky, Bozeman and Corbett were are because we had ignored OL, except a couple bad picks, from 2018 to 2021. We finally changed in 2022 a bit because our 2020-2021 OLs were so bad (2023 was as well). The point is not to let it get so bad A) you need to replace 4 bad starters and B) when you can’t handle injuries. We should have drafted more OL from 2018-2021. Most of us draft followers were screaming to pick OL, especially in 2021 but we took CBs who don’t play, WRs that suck and long snappers.

Huh? Did you forget Olsen? He was the first TE with 3 straight 1000 yard seasons before Kelce broke that record. I will say Kelce is better but Cam had a great TE for his playoff run. WRs are another story.

I’ve said it more than once. The only way some other GM could have done as bad a job as Fitterer was if they purposely tried to make the Panthers worse. It’s scary how bad he actually was and how much talent he drained in just 3 years.

Yep, especially when Sweat and Young went for 2nd and 3rd round picks. Could have had Sweat for slightly less $$$ and swapped a 2nd for 2 1sts. I’d much rather have Sweat and 2 1sts over Burns, $5M less cap per year and a 2nd. Fitterer literally couldn’t have been more wrong about everything.

I don’t know why we wouldn’t keep him another year. Canales isn’t a D guy and if we keep Evero and he does well we could get 2 3rds if he gets hired as a HC. It’s one thing to let Brown walk because Canales wants his OC to implement his offense. On the D side he likely doesn’t have a preference and Evero did fine this year. F other teams as a DC, why would we not keep him and then get the benefit if he does get a HC position.

Olsen has been really good. I’m interested to see if he can maintain it. I remember when Romo was on fire to start his broadcasting career being Luke like and basically calling out plays before they happened. He seems to have lost his luster and honestly annoys me more now. He said something about the first roughing the passer being Baltimore’s first penalty and my son said what about the holding call on a pass play right at the start. He just seems like his magic touch is gone.

Okudah was a disappointment due to his play, not injuries. It’s not an apples to apples comparison. A trade partner would only be betting on him staying healthy not betting they could get him to play better. I agree that a 5th rounder is a waste. It would need to be a pick where we could reasonably get an impact starter otherwise keep a cheap Horn and hope he stays healthy for trade bait (since he won’t be cheap) or extend him.

I hate to say that I agree with you. If I could get a future 1st (2025), I’d do it. He hasn’t helped us so far because of all the missed games, which don’t even count missing many partial games when he got hurt in game or was on a pitch count coming back. The biggest issue is that he’s a top ten pick so the 5th year/franchise options aren’t cheap and we’ve already wasted 3 out of 4 cheap rookie contract years and we aren’t competing in 2024 so a future talent means more. Right now, I think only Brown is a real “reliable” anchor and Luvu is likely reasonable enough to keep long term. Burns is an enigma because he is young enough but he doesn’t appear to be worth what it would cost. We fuged up the best deal we would get but if I could get a first+ for him I would also trade him. Everyone else is on the block for picks and cap space to rollover because we won’t be competing until we solve the Young debacle.

CMC was interviewed after the trade and said he was surprised and upset. Here’s one article: https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/cmc-realizes-49ers-trade-best-thing-that-ever-happened-to-him/1502380/?amp=1 Let’s be honest, with what we know about Fitterer pretty much fuging up every move he made, it makes way more sense that he thought it would be a good trade for us.

The current Detroit GM has seemingly done pretty well. The Rams GM had an amazing draft this year as did the Texans. Texans had Stroud, Anderson, and Dell and also had two rookie OL who started a combined 13 games and a rookie LB that started 6 games. Rams had Nucua, Avila, Young, Turner and their starting punter along with some other depth.

Lol, what a BS call that was. Duke guy pushing off multiple times barely gets touched on his follow through and he did two head snap backs before flopping like he got tackled. I just knew as I watched that he’d get bailed out by a ref who was just waiting to blow the whistle. It would be awesome to see flopping get called. Most teams don’t do it but Duke appears to teach snapping your head back to get calls. You would have thought he got punched in the face twice and then got shot.

Yeah, I agree. That also dinged up Jones. Blatant trip.

Guys like Scarlett and Gaulden didn’t even make it from the 2018 and 2019 drafts to 2020. There were 7, yes 7, picks from 2018/2019 that didn’t make it to the 2020 Panthers even though we lost a ton of vets going into 2020. 1 player a draft is not average. That’s bad. 2 per draft is Ok and treading water. 3 or more is great and you are improving the team. Also, when I say hit, it’s an impact starter not Hubbard or Christensen who are easily replaced.

Since Marty came back, he and Fitt have been atrocious at just getting the bulk of their rookies selected post round 1 to finish out their rookie deals.

Wow, blast from the past. Omenihu caused that fumble and I remember his draft. He hasn’t been a world beater but he was graded as a day 2 pick and dropped and Hurney picked Jordan Scarlett instead of DL depth. @ncfan might remember that draft and how mad I was that we didn’t take him for a stupid reach at RB for a guy who never did poo and lasted 1 year with us. This KC team is loaded with guys we should have taken and wanted to take in our draft threads.