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We are. New England and Cleveland winning put us 1 with only Tennessee as the other 1 win team. Incredibly, there are eight 2 win teams. We just have to keep losing and we are good. Tennessee has a higher SOS and I think they have a better shot at winning a game.

Is there any other team that’s signed so many hurt guys or guys coming off serious surgeries? We seem to throw out big money for guys like Paradis, Okung and Wonnum and get little to no return. It’s like we’re surprised when it doesn’t work out.

We’ve got no winning strategy. Had we traded Burns and Moore when we got great offers, we’d have been in great shape if we just took the guys taken at those picks and in one case drafted the top WR available to replace Moore. It can absolutely be a winning strategy. If you sell off the same guys a year later for spare change and use it to trade up for a shitty QB, it doesn’t work. Our GM fuged us. It’s that simple. Had nothing to do with one way being better than another.

After not having a losing season to 1-6 and a team so far from competing, it’s extremely obvious that he’s gone. That’s why you see if you can get good value now.

No disagreement there although I will say that our best value draft pick is a replaceable RB that Mrs. Rhule wanted to pick. SMH. I understand the wanting to keep our good guys because we’ve got what, Horn, Brown, Hubbard and maybe Diontae as at least average or better NFL players. RBs on 2nd deals aren’t important. Getting as many shots (Dan Morgan you better do better) at marquee guys is what we need. We will be stuck in this hole until we have some of those recent Detroit/Houston type drafts. 2024 wasn’t that so starting in 2025 we need a banger.

My son’s going to be ecstatic since he’s got the Denver D in our fantasy league and they are the best D so far. I’m starting Nix this week. Figure he should get a 100 on the ground.

Also, people don’t be scared about trading a player who isn’t going to sign with us. Clearly if we’ve gotten no movement, Diontae has no desire to be here. Hopefully, this pitiful scouting department can actually do something with these picks.

Umm, did you see his interview after the 40-7 loss where he said he can’t play every position? I am not going to call that cancerous because he’s correct, but he’s not resigning with us. That’s clear.

See my long post above. If you are scared of Brooks not being better than Chubba and you’d rather have both and pay Miles Sanders money to Chubba because we can’t draft well, you aren’t going to solve anything. I’ll repeat myself. If we can’t draft well in the future, we will always suck. There are no set of players you can keep extending and not trading that will make this current team a playoff team in the future. If we finally have a stud QB, we can find another Chubba in every single future draft. He’s been solid for a 3-21 team but he’s replaceable.

At some point we need to draft well. I didn’t want to trade CMC or Moore. We should have traded Burns to the Rams. Burns is the perfect example of why sometimes you should trade players away for picks before paying them a bundle. Here’s another draft story that might make sense. If we traded Burns and Moore (I don’t think CMC was worth the picks) during 2022 when the Rams offered 2 1sts and 1 2nd and the Packers offered a 1st for Moore, here’s what we could have had based on the picks and players available at those picks/a couple later: 2023 GB 1st - Will McDonald and his 11 sacks this year was taken at pick 15 which GB offered. 2023 LAR 2nd - Steve Avila starting G, could have spent Lewis’ $$$s on something else or saved it 2024 LAR 1st - Brian Thomas WR, I would have gone away from the Rams pick since we got McDonald in 2023 and we had a desperate need at WR 2025 LAR 1st - Tankathon has a DT/CB/WR at picks 10-12, so plenty of options to go BPA So, while we have done poo, we still would have been better off trading Burns and Moore and select the guys who went right where other teams (who draft better) selected them or went best WR and tried to replace Burns and Moore. I realize that we don’t have the talent to get a lot of picks. We basically fuged ourselves based on the decision of who to trade and when plus Bryce Young. That shouldn’t scare everyone into a what if we lose Chubba for draft picks. Oh no! Chubba is fine but he’s a product of hard nosed running behind a solid OL. 5.2 YPC is nice but there are 12 RBs with 5.0+ YPC and over 300 yards rushing so far. Rushing is up this year, likely because of the efforts of all teams to stop the pass. Anyway, we won’t win by paying Chubba a 2nd contract even if we haven’t seen Brooks yet. We will win when we finally have a competent GM that drafts well and makes good decisions. If we continue to be afraid of losing Diontae and Chubba level talents because we suck at drafting, I can guarantee that we’ll suck for another 7 years.

Chubba was a draft victory as a cheap starter who’s been solid. It still doesn’t change the fact that you don’t sign him to a big deal. CMC worked out for SF as he helped them get to the NFC Championship and SB before getting hurt but Mason has looked solid in his place this year. Miles Sanders has been a complete disaster. Brooks will be fine behind this OL when he’s healthy. I wasn’t a proponent of signing him over a C or CB, but he’s here.

Agreed. I always laugh at people saying don’t trade players for picks. There’s an assumption that Diontae and Chubba want to sign up for another bunch of years here. Reminds me of Andrew Whitworth signing with the Rams and people being mad we didn’t sign him. He wanted to be in LA, which is even more clear now considering his new career. There was likely 0 chance he was even thinking about signing here.

We are 3-21 with Chubba playing well. You can get RBs pretty easily. Look at Mason, Hunt and others filling in well for injured RBs. We took Brooks in the 2nd. Spending money on a second contract for Chubba while we still suck isn’t smart. We’ve continued to spend right up to the came while not getting more than 7 wins for years. That’s why we had to find a trade partner for Burns before we signed the guards. We had zero leverage because we had no cap space, which is truly mind boggling considering we were 2-15. We have to build around Brooks and hopefully get a comp pick or trade Chubba. We can’t sign yet another big deal on a RB.

Unfortunately, I think you are probably right. I didn’t like staying inside when the prior regime included Morgan, not just because of Morgan but because it was so trash that there was no great call that we could even point to and say maybe that was Morgan. Until we get really good drafts where our rookies look like legit stars, we are going to stay in the toilet.

I posted in here the same stuff. His record for the past decade was terrible. I remember saying he’s still Dalton. He was serviceable a long time ago with some prime WRs and a decent team. He’s not anymore. We likely will finish worse than last year after all the “additions” and benching Young. That’s miserable.

We had something else to do at 4 so I didn’t miss or even bother to watch a minute of the game and it felt nice.

Being short isn’t the main problem with him. I’ll be honest that I didn’t really look into QBs in the draft just hoped we’d get the right one. That said, if I knew his arm talent was non-existent, I would have been more disappointed. I was worried about the size but I was more worried that his pro day wasn’t dazzling and he was the only top QB not to throw at the combine. It worried me thinking all he did there was drink gallons of fluids to get measured and then peed for an hour and a half and left. I think Kyler Murray could be a really good QB if he was mentally preparing like top QBs do. All the stories about him not studying, etc. are his downfall. He’s got the arm strength and speed to be a solid QB but he clearly isn’t a top QB because he doesn’t prepare like the top guys do. Young seems to lack in awareness and he’s got none of those athletic skills either.

I don’t get any love for him. I watched the Ole Miss game and he had a few great throws but he also had 2 interceptions and had a 43% completion rating. In his career in “full” games he’s got 11 interceptions in 11 games. The only teams he hasn’t thrown an interception against are Nicholls St, a terrible UCLA and Arkansas. He’s a Will Levis clone except I think Levis was better in college. If we took him in the first, just write us up for another half decade of poo. This QB class is looking pretty poor right now. Hopefully, we improve elsewhere and wait until day 2 at the earliest but get someone with potential, not Corral.

That is the worst draft class in our history and there’s no reason to even wait and see. It’s the worst, especially when you consider that to get that class we also traded away a 2023 2nd and 2023 4th for Young and DJ and pick #1 in 2024 as well as our soon to be very early 2nd in 2025. All those picks traded and it helped our 2023 class to still be straight and utter trash with not one guy who will ever be a quality starter or even an average starter.

Not as good as the 2nd we traded away for Young. At least that final thorn in our side will be done in the next draft.

True he has but you also said Mingo and TMJ and most of TMJ’s snaps were not Young. I just don’t think they would have made any real noise and TMJ being team-less already supports that. I don’t think Mingo will be far behind if we keep adding WRs.

I don’t agree. Mingo’s done nothing with Dalton. His top 5 yardage games have been with Young. He's starting and averaging 20 yards per game with Dalton. TMJ played with Mayfield and Darnold. Heck, he was on Jayden Daniel’s team and couldn’t even make the roster after getting a ton of snaps pre-Young.

Yep. It’s recency bias. Funchess and KB weren’t great picks but here’s what they did in 8 years with Carolina: 4657 yards and 39 TDs Mingo and TMJ in 5 years with Carolina: 888 yards and 1 TD Samuel, KB and Funchess weren’t our Steve Smith’s or even DJ Moore’s for us but they were actual NFL WRs not PS cast offs. Fitterer was straight trash. His best value pick was Mrs. Rhule’s pick.

I think we need to see his contract demand and interest now. It shouldn’t be hard to see if we’re close. We completely fuged up with Burns. We should have had him extended in 2022 and known exactly what he wanted and how far away we were before we turned down the Rams. We were stupid and didn’t manage it right and got caught in a we don’t want to pay Burns what he wants and now we have to trade him. We don’t have to be eager but let’s know the scenario well enough so we don’t turn down an ok trade while waiting for the moon and ending up with nothing.

I’m not optimistic. He’s going to want to get paid. I’m not sure we’ll match it and the allure of playing for a playoff team and getting some big recognition is not something we can offer.