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How many times is a good young player available in FA? I’m not talking a trade like Tyreke Hill or AJ Brown where they left before their big contract, I’m talking about guys like that being available in FA. Luvu was a bargain bin FA like Mario Addison. Let’s not talk about our every decade FA bargains. That’s like assuming there will be an undrafted Norwell in every draft. I’d almost consider Luvu and Addison draft picks because we got both of them before their first 4 year deal was up. Signing players released in their first few years in the league to minimum contracts to see them develops is not what I was talking about. Signing Luvu to a minimum deal and having him play well is a great bonus but it’s akin to drafting a good starter in day 3. My point was that worrying about Burns $24M cap hit is about signing Hurst, Sanders, Houston and Corbett. To me that’s trying to get the final puzzle pieces to a playoff contender and that worked out great for us since we were so close to contending LOL. We don’t need to restructure Moron or extend Burns to fit the Luvus/Addisons of the world before they develop. There’s also way more bargain bin guys who get cut in training camp.

I love it but don’t think that’s possible. It’s PFF so their ratings are mainly on the college PFF scores not rankings after the senior bowl and combine.

Why is this an important season? We barely got 2 wins last year. We aren’t fixing this team in one draft and FA. If we try to do that in one season we are basically repeating the last 6 years of futility. This is an evaluation year to see what pieces we have that are worth long term (Iky, Horn, Mingo and Young and the 2024 draft). Anybody not long term should be marketed if we can get something for them. Also, FA is not where you add talent to a rebuilding team so the cap space shouldn’t be a concern. FA is where you should be adding the last pieces to the puzzle. We haven’t even unboxed the puzzle yet. If we are doing tons of restructuring so we can spend money now, we’ll be on a new coach and GM in a couple seasons. We need two successful drafts, before we worry about cap space and we are already missing 2 of our 4 top picks so we have to nail the drafts like the Rams did last year with no 1st.

It doesn’t surprise me. Remember Fitterer described how Young was his favorite the year before. Fitterer has been very Hurney like in falling for people and having blinders on. I think there was still a consensus in the shop that Young was the overall favorite. Reich said as much right after the draft. He and Fitt had their love in about like Young to start their process and to finish. Thomas Brown was the guy who introduced the point guard discussion in February before the draft, the same topic that Tepper parroted after the draft. It’s still laughable that people think whatever Nicole thought was going to have some bearing on the final decision. I argued with a couple people who actually said they thought Nicole made the pick. It was and still is Fitterer, IMHO, who was the biggest fan of Young.

Lapped? Fitterer slit their Achilles before the race started and moonwalked his ass across the worst GMs to ever exist finish line. Ryan Poles and Joe Douglas were there to thank him again for saving their jobs and making people forget their horrible picks. John Lynch couldn’t make it because he was at the Super Bowl. He sent a very nice arrangement.

Well, honestly, he was right about Norman’s worth. He never can close to 2015’s career year and he certainly wasn’t worth the money the Redskins gave him. You would have hoped we could have gotten more value via trade, but no one in Washington was happy with that signing when it was over.

It really isn’t when you look back at Fitterer’s 3 year stint. We will likely have given up more draft value for Sam Darnold, a guy who was likely released after the draft (to avoid paying 5th year), than we will get back for Burns. When you look back at all the shitty trades/non-trades, draft picks and FA moves, it’s not surprising at all that we fittered up with Burns.

See my post above. Priority is meaningless in this draft. We can’t get Bowers and the Texas TE is not good enough for 33. The rest are day 3 guys. Amazingly our biggest need at WR matches the strength of the draft. Let’s just hope the game changing WR isn’t snagged by the top teams who pick right before us that have WR needs as well.

TE isn’t a priority because there’s basically 1 good TE. TE should have been a priority last year when our top of the 2nd round pick was in great distance to trade up for La Porta or take another TE who will develop. People mention that TE from Texas and he’s not even close to as good as the TEs last year and we’d have to take him at 33. Believe me, if we do that, we’ll be talking about the WR studs we missed. Also, we had Hurst, Tremble, Sullivan and Thomas and they combined for about half the yards as Thielen. Chark and Mingo was very meh and they were 2 and 3 in yards. The TE from Texas isn’t solving that issue. A legitimate WR next to Thielen and Mingo would absolutely have a much bigger impact. I’d love to have a great young TE but unless we find some George Kittle day 3 gem, we missed the giant TE boat last year because Fitterer had some sort of amazing visit with Mingo and reached again.

Dalton isn’t that good. With 2 more wins we’d still be picking 2nd (maybe still 1st as our SOS would be weaker). 3 more wins and we are still 4th. Heck, 4 more wins and we’d still be picking 5th. Dalton is not improving this team to 7-10 or better, not a chance. We still lost the game he played in by 10. You might be forgetting that we won the first overall pick by a landslide and of course Fitt traded it away. The one time that tanking for the top pick went perfectly.

If we don’t draft a WR at 33, I’ll be really disappointed. There’s good OT depth but I don’t see a top guy falling to 33. We could get a WR at 33 that would normally be a mid first pick due to the WR class depth. We have to take advantage of draft value especially when it’s a huge need. We fuged up last year going Mingo instead of TE in a monster deep class.

D Rob looked bad IMHO. The couple drills he did looked really stiff and his explosiveness was non-existent in the 40. Slow time (worst for DEs) and his 10 yard split was slow. Reminds me of Zach Allen and his numbers are similar. Allen went top of the 3rd and has been OK.

If the Panthers don’t exist, Darnold is released after the draft/before 5th year option is guaranteed.

Man, who gave the Bears all that ammo?

What do you believe in? What examples of his player evaluations are awesome? He’s been with the Panthers since 2021 and nothing good has happened draft, trade or FA wise. I don’t care at all that he was a good LB here. I have seen any NFL teams lining up to have Kuechly or TD as their GM. I’ll hope for the best, but there is nothing in the past three years that points to Morgan being a good talent evaluator.

We’ll find out but the negative spin is that Morgan was installed to placate fans as a former beloved Panther and to ensure Young would get more time like Fitt and Tepper wanted. Kind of like we’ll continue the plan but Fitt has to take one for the team. Funny because it doesn’t matter which is true, as long we can draft well. Heck, it doesn’t matter if Morgan was overruled by bad Fitt if we can’t draft well. This isn’t the Bad News Bears movie. If we don’t improve the talent by a lot, we aren’t magically winning anything regardless if Morgan wanted Stroud, Tank Dell and was all for trading Burns to the Rams.

I hear ya. It’s tough to look back the last few years because it has been so bad. It’s hard to get excited when the pressers feel like more of the same. We like Iky at LT. We don’t think Young needs much tweaking and we want to build up around him. If we don’t draft well this year and next year, we are in for completing a full decade of being that worst in the league team. We are 6 years in to a max 7 win team and we are at the lowest point. It’s damn hard not to be tired of this team and get annoyed at the OMG, Morgan wants dawgz woo hoo! crowd. I’ll throw a coin in the well and wish for Morgan/Canales to right the ship quickly. We need a miracle.

It’s almost as if we had finished with the worst record and all our picks and if we had made a trade for additional 1sts this year and in 2025 that we would have been in great position to add a ton of talent to our team. SMH. It just hurts knowing we were given the chance to rebuild quickly and said no, we’d rather do it the hard way.

Ditto. I didn’t like the hire because he’s been Fitterer’s right hand man through some horrible decisions. I was hoping for someone who’s been involved in several solid drafts. Hopefully, he proves us wrong but there was literally nothing you can look at in his assistant GM role here that gives you hope.

You do realize he was a large part of the poo show, right? I don’t know if he can be fixed but the Ily I watched was not even getting a hand on many speed rushers. Not even a hand. No issues with play calling or confusion on who to block or Young or WRs lack of separation, Iky was just plain getting roasted 1 on 1.

You like Sweat better, that’s fine but I still think Burns is considered more valuable. I know I seem to be backtracking on cap but I am willing to burn Dave’s money if we could somehow get a decent pick for Burns. Again, Fitterer has done so poorly drafting and trading that his poo 2021-2023 drafting and his throwing away of 2 of our best 4 draft picks the next two years that our cap space will not be anything close to an issue for at least 5+ years. I hate wasting cap but fug it, I’m in for “buying” draft capital we need far more desperately than extra cap space.

If we still can’t draft with Morgan (I wanted a proven drafter), trading for JJ means nothing. Sorry, but drafting well is the only thing that will change our situation. Drafting poorly means JJ would be a complete waste.

Hill was on a rookie deal but the rest isn’t true at all. Hill’s cap hit was $6M for 2022 and $12M for 2023. They would not have had any issue in the past two SBs affording Hill. McDuffie is the only guy they got on D that contributed. It’s almost silly to say they would have better without Hill considering they had WR issues/drops all year: https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/12/11/chiefs-wide-receivers-emergency-patrick-mahomes-toney The OL is not a mess because they drafted Humphrey and Smith instead of TMJ and a long snapper. The OL has nothing to do with Hill and the improvement on D has very little to do with Hill. I know KC won the SBs but they would have won them with Hill as well and frankly would have been way better this year. They would have dominated with that D and Hill on offense. They won in spite of their WRs being liabilities. It wasn’t like the Chiefs barnstormed their way to the SB win.

Tyreke Hill won one. Honestly, Chiefs made a mistake not just extending him. Orlando Brown did not work out and their lack of WRs has been an issue. They’ve worked around it because they have Mahomes (and a great D this year) but no one would have come close to them this year if they kept Hill. Winning the SB is a bad example though because outside of Mahomes and Brady, there’s barely anyone else. I don’t think Jefferson makes sense because we’d be wasting a lot of resources to get him while Young is here. This is a great WR draft class. We should just do the draft like we should have done and get our young and cheap WRs now. Trade for a Justin Jefferson when we actually need him.

It’s Dave’s money because if you look ahead, we don’t have any worth extending after Brown/Luvu and maybe Burns. You only have to spend 89% of the cap space over 3 years so by the time we actually need it the 2024 cap won’t matter. I’m not saying we won’t waste money as per usual on Hurst and Houston and Sanders, but Burns 2024 tag is meaningless long term because we’ve done such a shitty job drafting that we don’t have worries about can we afford to pay Higgins and Chase while paying Burrow. I have harped on the cap for ages but it just hit me that Fitterer made it a non issue with 3 horrific drafts. Burns was better for 3 years and Sweat was better last year but 2 years younger does play a part. You have risk with Sweat’s age and no risk with Burns’ age for the same deals.