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It’s sad how incompetent we are at drafting and how much talent we passed up for projects that honestly aren’t NFL talents.

I’m behind on the game but two 3 and outs with nothing on ground and drops by Marshall and Mingo. The Mingo drop was a good pass by Plummer and Marshall’s was a bit high but fug it, it’s your fourth freaking year in the league. Plummer doesn’t look awful in two drives where the skilled guys look awful.

The QB typically slotted at 2 doesn’t throw either. The guys taken at 2 and 4 threw because they wanted to show what they had. Williams likely already knew he was #1 at the combine. The Bears telegraphed that as soon as the season ended. From everything we heard, Young wasn’t locked in as our guy yet. There has always been instances of guys who didn’t need to show anything not working out but when the other two QBs with a legit shot at 1 throw, it’s a bit of a red flag that the physically limited guy did not.

What baffles me the most is the combine apples to apples comparisons. I’ll admit that I didn’t scout all the QBs, I just wanted to get off the train of let’s keep trying vet QBs that are proven to not be SB winners and get a top rookie QB. When the combine rolled around and you started to see the immense physical differences and you could see that Young put on a ton of weight just for the weight since he did nothing. He was the only one to not throw of the 4 QBs that had potential to go top 10 and the other 3 clearly displayed their arm strength. Young did nothing at the combine and the other 2 or 3 showed out nicely. How could anyone have seen the arm show and not questioned Young’s arm and, honestly, his lack of speed to at least run/escape at his pro day with the combine on video? S2 score ruled the day and we are where we are. Our front office was and still is, until proven otherwise, a poo show. Still truly amazing that our idiot savants clearly had rookie QB on the mind in 2023 draft but we didn’t let Rhule finish 2022 to get a great pick (history of teams playing hard for liked interim coach, don’t change what’s working) and we decided that CMC + DJ + 1 first round pick was less important to a rookie QB than Burns.

It was a much more talented team than the current edition, even with Cam hurt.

I won’t beat you up, but honestly I hate posts like this. Happens all the time in the past 7 years of shitty Hurney/Fitterer drafts when people trot out the well why aren’t you an NFL GM. I’ll say this bluntly. As one of the many people in here that love following the pre-draft process and throw out our opinions, the consensus picks/trade suggestions in the huddle draft threads would have absolutely 100% yielded a much more talented current roster. Just the Burns non-trade alone would have changed this team. It’s not that we disagreed all the time as Burns and Moore picks were preferred and obvious. Now, when the huddle consensus disagreed, we were proven right almost every time over the NFL experienced GMs/scouts.

SMH. Move the goal posts a bit huh? You said immediate impact. 700 yards in a rookie season is an immediate impact. How many elite WRs are there? WTF does their QB mean? If Leggette is elite, 700 yards even with Young is attainable. Since I know I was right and you were wrong, I looked at the top 20 (not elite) WRs in 2023 by yardage. Only 4 of them didn’t have 700 yards in their rookie season. First was Tyreke Hill with just under 600 yards receiving. He also started only 1 game and had 1800+ all purpose yards and 12 TDs so he had an immediate impact year 1. Unless Leggette is Davante Adams, Collins or Pittman, he’ll likely be a disappointment unless he gets 700 yards this year. A first round WR who ends up being successful should get that because we know he’s not Tyreke Hill.

We overrate our guys, always have. When we trade them, they weren’t good. Maybe back when we had a load of talent and made the playoffs a bunch we didn’t overrate them but the amount of smoke blown up our asses in the past 7 drafts is incredible. The only good picks are guys we traded or Brown. Other than that, our picks have been underperforming. I’m not calling Leggette a bust until we get to actual games but with our scouting and drafting the past 7 drafts, we won’t need to wait until year 3 to know if he’ll be a good pick and it’s not a good start to not hear good news.

That’s just not true. In 2023, there were 7 WRs with 700+ yards and from the 2022 draft, there are 8 WRs with 1000 to 2000+ yards in 2 years. In 2021’s draft there are 8 WRs with 1600+ yards including 4 WRs over 3000 yards. In the 2020 draft, there are 8 WRs that have 2500+ yards so far and 2 WRs over 5000 yards. Out of those 31 WRs, 3 were top 10 picks. A WR picked late first, such as JJ, Flowers, Addison, Aiyuk and Lamb are usually effective immediately or they are busts like Raegor, Bateman, Toney, Burks, Dotson and Johnston (a little early on him). Honestly, for a first round pick WR, the last 4 drafts kind of show that that ones who are going to be good contributors to studs show out right away. While you might laugh, if Legette doesn’t show something early, that’s actually a bad sign based on the history of 1st round WRs.

Yeah, if it goes like last year, not sure I’d see either of them returning for more.

Why is Diontae untouchable? He’s an UFA after this season and if he does well, big payday coming. Heck, what if he wants to go to a better team who’s willing to pay. I doubt we trade much anyway as we’ve already traded away our game changing guys.

Is it too much to ask for us to get 1 quality WR in the draft after spending 2 2nds and a 1st in the last 4 drafts? Still makes you wonder WTF we traded away DJ on a cheap extension just to use a 2nd and 1st to replace him.

Chase didn’t struggle in camp. He had the dropsies, i.e. getting open but not catching it. They are two completely different problems. Chase had 1455 yards and 13 TDs. There was no learning curve issue with him. I get that Legette needs some time to develop but throwing out comparisons that aren’t remotely close doesn’t mean anything.

The ranking sites and league didn’t diss them only our fans who had LT on the brain as if you couldn’t have a good OL if LT was your weak spot. PFF had us 2nd after the 2015 season. Injuries hurt us in 2016 and also in 2018, when our Ts were setup to be Moron and Williams until Williams was out for the year. Cam’s scrambling did get more sacks than we are plus have had with a QB who couldn’t make those escapes and throws the ball away instead of taking a chance. That 2015 OL IMHO was as good an OL as we’ve had. Sucks that we ended it against an amazing pass rush with our empty brained coaching staff that just assumed we had no need to game plan for that pass rush.

I still don’t get why the 2014-2017 OL is so dissed. When 4 starters have gone to pro bowls or been selected to all pro teams, you’d think that they would get some credit. Our interior OL was as good as anyone’s. In 2015, we were ranked top 2 or 3 just behind the Cowboys. I know LT is a sticking point in here but I’d take the actual 2014-2017 OL over the “potential” of this OL every day of the week. I hope this one ends up being good but I feel like the 2014-2017 OL is completely ignore in here even though it was ranked really high. If it weren’t for all the damn 2016 injuries, that OL leads us to four straight playoff appearances.

No kidding. Look at how many draft picks we gave away in shitty trades and didn’t get back when offered hauls. That’s we are where we are, this stupid feeling like we were somehow still competitive when the core of the 2013-2017 teams was gone. We never ripped off the bandaid and said it’s actually time to rebuild so let’s build the war chest of real young talent. Aiyuk would be another stupid move that would harm our future to go 5-12 this year.

CMC is much more valuable IMHO. Have you noticed the deluge of college WR talent? Deebo was a mistake and he got hurt. Don’t forget that Deebo signed his extension before CMC was on the team. That said, if they cut Deebo, they can extend Aiyuk after this year/franchise him. I also think they could draft more WRs if they don’t want to pay Aiyuk crazy money. They drafted one and it wouldn’t be hard to draft another. With Kittle and CMC, you get open WRs.

His first round status is meaningless now. He’s already shown that he is a 1st round bust. Now, it’s whether or not he can make the team and contribute. We've been doing this dumpster diving for years now hoping we find a gem and it hasn’t worked. Until we start drafting solid starters a guy like this isn’t moving the needle even if he makes the team.

Hey, don’t misread my statement. I was pretty clear that I wanted all the coaches and Fitterer’s staff gone. I only was saying that Wilson leaving is meaningless and all the OMG stuff is silly. No real up and coming stars came to Carolina so losing Wilson isn’t keeping us from doing better. Our future rests on what Canales can do with the young guys and at QB (improve Young or prove he’s not the guy) and what Morgan’s drafting will be. Also, in the past few years as the director/VP of scouting for the Cardinals, what did Wilson do to make him an up and comer? Scouting Murray and Isiah Simmons? Tre McBride in the 2nd looks like their best value draft pick in Wilson’s unbelievably amazing 4 years at the head of scouting for that juggernaut drafting Cardinals team. Again, we like to puff up people to make Tepper and co look worse. No need to make Wilson look better than he was to make the last 6 years look worse.

Lol, so true. Someone who was hired in February of 2023 is part of our legit worst season ever. When he leaves all of a sudden he was the voice of reason and Tepper’s firing him because he was the best exec we had. SMH. I’ve been as critical of this 6 year shitfest as anyone but I’m not looking at this as a mistake or harbinger of anything. We already didn’t have the #1 pick or the haul for Burns or Stroud so I don’t see how this means anything.

lol. Stroud wasn’t mentioned a single time in any post, since I just read through this. This thread is about what’s next. Back to the thread on hand. While I see an extremely small chance Young is ever good enough to win in the playoffs, this is the year for him to show something. If the 2025 QBs don’t have any studs (so far seems meh), maybe we take a day 2 flyer or maybe we just ignore QB and go after BPA/strengths of the draft. I don’t care if Young gets year 3 or not if there’s no QB that we legitimately think can win us playoff games until the 2026 draft. We’ve dug ourselves a huge talent hole and we finally have a full allotment of picks in 2025/2026. If Young sucks, let him get us a top pick and maybe trade down for more 2026 picks if we don’t like the QBs. Do what the Bears did to us or Miami did to the Texans and magically have two high 2026 firsts. If Young sucks again, we could also go Zappe/Purdy type late round QB and hope you get magic in a bottle or at least have something different to watch in 2025 while we suck for Arch (lol, no idea if he’ll be good).

As some did last year, people seem to forget injuries. The OL fell apart with a lot of injuries. We do not have any depth and injuries happen. 7 wins feels like a pipe dream where all the question marks get answered. With our talent level and not getting way luckier than average, I’d say 4-5 wins.

Good point, but 5-82 and 1 TD were in the last 2 minutes of the 3rd through the 4th quarter. When your QB throws 58 passes and the D gives up 37, the WRs will have stats. Not trying to say Thielen was bad but that Thielen and Hubbard looked way better because they were the only competent offensive players.

Theilin reminded me of Hubbard. People were talking about how well Hubbard played and he looked good because of how bad Sanders was. Like the tallest Midget. Theilin and Hubbard were serviceable because the rest of the players were bad and they got volume. Not saying that they weren’t giving it all they had, which is why they stood out, but they weren’t solid starters on most teams.

It’s not really bad the second time. At first, all the screaming is disorienting because you don’t even know what language it is. Second time, you’ve bonded a bit and realize they are really a great group of guys.