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Who cares. This same thing was mentioned before. Oh, he’s taking a little less. That wasn’t true before because we paid him more new money that we could have saved. Seeing this pisses me off. We gave him a big deal he didn’t deserve and because of restructuring we are giving him every cent when he deserved nothing and somehow it helped us ignore the strong TE draft class last year because we had Hurst, Thomas and Tremble, murderer’s row of NFL TEs. Somewhere in New Orleans, Tampa and Atlanta, three DCs just updated their notes to not cover TEs when they play Carolina.

Lol, I always cry a little inside when I see mentions of players who we discussed drafting in here. Biadasz when way later in the 4th than when we took Troy Pride and he went just a handful of picks before we took Kenny Robinson. Those guys played a combined 3 years for us so much better picks than a C one draft after we let Kalil go.

Not me. I’m expecting more of the same. I’m hoping to be pleasantly surprised but I didn’t like Fitterer’s drafting (and everything else) right from the start. Until he proves otherwise, I’m expecting his right hand man to stay the course. Reaching for a C in a super strong WR class makes perfect sense.

I wanted Morse when we got Paradis. Marty went after the guy coming off a huge injury and the rest is history. At this point, not sure I’d want to sign him to a longer deal at 31 (32 next month).

He’s right and the bolded is just completely wrong. The draft is the core of team building, period. 49ers lost to the Chiefs. Go look at their rosters, their cores are absolutely reliant on the draft. There may be a couple key FAs or trades, but the core was drafted (including UDFAs).

Serious delusion here. CMC never quit, period. That was typical Marty/Rhule CYA keeping him on IR when we were out of it. CMC was surprised by the trade and I’ve posted it in here before. Heck CMC signed a long term extension with us. This isn’t like the current Burns situation. CMC and Moore both signed up to be long term Panthers.

Not a conspiracy theorist but JFC, what is the obsession here? Your other thread gets closed and you are asking in here about her personal information? Honestly, the Nicole Tepper obsessive posts in here (and other threads) make me glad I don’t have a daughter.

We’ll know as soon as FA kicks off. If we stand pat and let the dust settle a while, that’s good. If we jump in early, we’ll know there will be another regime change in 2-3 years.

We can’t, especially with no 1st and we shouldn’t try to do that. We’ve done it for 5-6 years now and it’s gone miserably. Also, I’ve posted this before. We have no cap issues. After decisions on Brown, Luvu and Burns, we have no big list of young guys we need to extend for lots of money. Fitterer put a kibosh on that with 3 years of terrible drafting. We have a talent issue right now and we can’t FA our way out of that. We have to draft great value and hit on more than normal to get this team foundation back.

They probably will because we have people in here who always love big names regardless of why their former teams don’t want them anymore.

Completely by accident. Fitterer and Hurney absolutely were trying to win now, but the results were as if we tanked only without the benefit of great and extra draft picks. What we’ve gotten in 5 years is accidentally tanking our record while also giving away all the benefits of a planned tank.

That we’ve sucked so bad that there isn’t anything football wise to be proud of so I can see Nicole saying concerts. Pretty simple. People making fun of her to say that yet there’s zero Panthers related that could have been said. Doesn’t absolve Tepper from his horrid hiring record.

All fair, it’s purely conjecture but we did change the Rams more than I think we realize by not trading Burns. I think my point still stands that they had an almost perfect draft considering they had no first and if they didn’t have 36, their draft could have gone a lot different. We don’t take Avila so maybe they trade up as he falls. Again, if Burns gets a new deal, you can’t make magic. He would have eaten up the last $6M or so even with bonuses to back load it. Also, I don’t think we can just give them 1 or 2 more wins in 2023. Stafford was out and let’s be honest, Burns is not Donald. He’s never “won” a game for us. That said, if he did enough to win a tight one, all their picks are lower, increasing the chance that they don’t have an amazing draft. Anyway, I think that Fitterer made a lot of friends at the Rams, 49ers, Jets and Bears. All those teams are considerably improved due to us.

Pretty much anything, like going to Five Guys, beats the Panthers in the past 5 years.

Wake me up when this team wins some games or makes it to the Super Bowl. I’ll gladly skip Uncle Kracker, but something tells me Unc will be in a nursing home before we’re back in a SB.

You’ve watched this team the past few years, right? There has been almost nothing football wise to be proud of so I’d go concerts and events too. Look over the past 5 years of Panther football. What’s your proudest moment only from Panthers football? Maybe the game where we had a chance to make the playoffs but Evans torched us for 3 long TDs? Sam Darnold? Young’s 2 interception first game? Horn actually playing 2 of the last 3 games of 2023 after only 1 and 0 of the last 3 games of 2022 and 2021?

Huh? The Burns impact wouldn’t have made them Super Bowl contenders in 2022. They finished worse than us. They also rolled over $450k in cap to 2023. They would have had to make changes as Burns’ 5th year option was more than their 2023 space. I think McVay might have hung them up as well. Considering their poor 2022 season and the fact that they’d be missing their 1st and 2nd in 2023 and both 2024 and 2025 1sts, he might have decided not to come back. The 2023 draft the Rams had was fantastic. They got 4 above average starters. I don’t think I’m wrong to say that not having any cap space and not having pick 36 could have easily changed their draft from fantastic to decent. If the Rams didn’t have that draft because of the Burns trade, they easily would have been a non-playoff team. Burns absolutely would have had less impact on their team than 4 plus starters, two of whom had as many or more sacks than Burns in 2023.

So true but these discussions are so shortsighted. Don’t be like the people who were so worried that we couldn’t replace Burns with one of the 1sts in the Rams deal, that they didn’t want the deal. Hint, they were absolutely wrong. If we keep or trade Burns there is no need to make some instant decision. We are a shitty team. We were a couple plays away from being the first 0-17 team. Thinking back to the Burns deal, Fitterer was completely shortsighted. The Burns deal was about being able to keep CMC and Moore and get all the ammo we needed to make a trade up for a QB or surround him with a great TE and 2nd great WR. Idiot Fitterer unfortunately thought he could replace CMC and Moore with Sanders and Chark/Mingo. Same thing here, stop worrying about instantly replacing Burns if we trade him or getting him help if we extend him (which sounds ridiculous to get a $30M guy help). Use those picks to get the best players available at any spot because we are so far from contending. Also, draft to the strengths of each draft so we continually get plus value from our picks. 33 is a freaking sweet spot it seems for WRs. Heck, given the Bills, Ravens and Chiefs all could go WR, we might think about trading up if there is a Brian Thomas sitting there and you have him ranked really high.

I hope you are right. We’ve kind of blown a series of top 10 picks (Iky, Horn, Young x2), that we need top picks and turn them into picks like Cam, Luke, Peppers and Gross.

Like @kungfoodude, I didn’t like spending so much money on guys who were never good or a guy not close in talent that we signed to replace CMC for basically the same amount of “new” money. We put lipstick on a pig in the offseason. CMC and Moore would have cost us around $30M in 2023. We spent that $30M on Sanders, Hurst, Chark and Houston in 2023 and well, we got poo for it and poo in trade value.

It at least saves the roster bonus for this year. Gotta love Fitterer, the gift that keeps giving. We basically paid Thomas and Hurst over $16M for 2023. Basically, we had TE 2 (Hockenson) cost for TE 32 play. SMH.

Only the “you aren’t an NFL GM” or “how can we possibly replace Burns” idiots couldn’t see the fleecing we could have done to the Rams. Heck, we’d probably have a better 1st. They found a solid starting G at 36. We might have messed up their entire draft. With 36, players we could easily have traded up to 33 before Tennessee to get La Porta knowing that after the Waller and Hockenson trades, Detroit and Oakland were going TE since it was a stud TE class. They both did. Add in 2 more firsts and $30M in cap space for two solid FAs and we get way more talent than just Burns. It’s a shame because it was laid out perfectly and Tepper/Fitterer fumbled it away. Anyway, the what ifs suck balls. We better nail this draft and next year’s.

GB offered us their 2023 1st (I think it was #15) for Moore at the same time as Burns’ deal. Should have taken both trades and CMC so that we could actually tank 2022 and naturally get a top 3 pick not #9 where we forfeit our team to trade up for the wrong QB.

You guys do realize that pre-2023, Tennessee was 30-20 in the lot prior 3 seasons and in the playoffs 2 of 3 years. They traded AJ Brown before 2022 and fuged up the 1st round pick meant to replace him and went 7-10. Tennessee didn’t become a contender in 2023, but going to the 2024 Panthers isn’t even close to going to the 2023 Titans. Didn’t work out for Hopkins but we have 6 straight years of losing under our belts not just 1 year of losing. Titans had 6 straight winning seasons before 2022.

So what you are saying is all those 2024 1st round picks are the same as 2023 2nds might have been wrong? Man, what this team could have been if Fitterer was shown the door with Rhule and a competent GM was hired that saw that we needed a rebuild. Could have easily had two firsts this year and two firsts in 2025 to allow us to maximize a really good draft. SMH. A perfect rebuild scenario was right in front of us had we only had an owner who was worth a damn that wasn’t blown away by guys like Hurney and Fitterer enough to give them an extra year.