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Appreciate the article. Interestingly enough, this article: https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/07/24/frank-reich-panthers-training-camp-lessons-bryce-young Has a bit different twist on the hirings, especially since many assistants were Reich friends including Caldwell/Capers and the passing game coordinator. I don’t know the full details on who hired Brown and Evero but this article talks to what I said about Reich being fully prepared for his 2.0 coaching position. Like Marty, it didn’t go well. Since Evero seems to be well regarded in here, the only bad “forced” hire is Brown and Reich was calling plays until he sucked terribly.

Yep. I loved seeing the why can’t we be like the Hurricanes. The Hurricanes owner canned everyone when he came in, but obviously hired the right folks and they’ve done the job. Tepper’s hired poo so far, Also, the guy you posted made a big assumption jump from criticizing play calls that clearly weren’t working to telling the coach what plays he likes and what he doesn’t. Those aren’t the same. I could ask my coach why we continued to throw short passes or ran on 3rd and 7 or longer. It doesn’t mean that I’m calling plays or telling a coach which plays I like.

So true. I hate threads like this because most people in here don’t really read stuff. I was never mad when I heard Tepper started meeting with Reich because we sucked horribly and we weren’t supposed to suck. This article doesn’t say anything about Tepper calling plays or working on game plans before games. It basically says he was taking Reich to task because we were the worst offense in the league.

The main folks who report all this type of stuff in here had articles that said the reason why Reich impressed was that he brought a lot with him and that he had vetted the folks he wanted to bring with him. That was supposedly something that Fitterer and Tepper liked, that he did homework on a coaching staff. Just like everything in here, the narratives seem to change all the time depending on who you support. The people who adored Reich and the staff before the season brought up all the excuses after he was clearly on the hot seat.

Blood disorder, can’t remember which one. He played his entire last year and seemed to have it under control. Chiefs obviously have no problem with any care he does need. We got a long snapper that never made the team and a project fat OL who never played and was someone I posted about as looking worse than Greg Little awful in the Senior Bowl.

Evero didn’t use Chinn at all. He played 27% of snaps. Diverse assignments and hybrid role worries me. Chinn is every bit as athletic as Sainristil in a much bigger (almost 40 pounds) package.

PFF rankings don’t translate well. Greg Little case in point. This seems like a big reach if 43 is his best ranking.

Maybe. We said no to Tre Smith in the 6th round due to medical concerns and where did that get us? Horn had no medical concerns and the one we didn’t take of the two has played way more.

Damn, Burton on day 5? What’s that, Waterboy? I mean post day 3 and into day 4 is UDFAs.

Yeah, with our luck lately, we’ll see an announcement like the Panthers have traded pick 33 for a 2024 4th, two 2024 5ths, two 2025 4ths and bag of popcorn.

1 week and 4 days from Panther draft time. Not sure if I’m going to bother watching day 1 or just view the picks Friday morning.

This is why I don’t like trading down. Fitterer loved giving away day 1 and day 2 picks and we got no impact starters. We don’t need starters, we need above average/plus/great starters or we will dwell at the bottom of the league. Right now we have Brown, Moton, Hunt, maybe Horn and a short term Clowney. There are a few around average starters and the rest are all below average to borderline bad. We desperately need to add to the first bucket so trading down to get more players lessens the odds of getting those plus/elite guys.

Let’s be honest guys. Strength and conditioning doesn’t matter when you at the bottom of the barrel talent wise. Like putting lipstick on a pig.

I agree. Unless we are getting better picks like 39 for a 2025 1st, no thanks. We’ve seen how our idiot GM traded back to cover his horrid trades and we just got lessor players overall. Just because we don’t have a 2025 2nd doesn’t mean we have to trade way back to get one. We need impact above average to elite starters. We have 33, 39 and next year’s 1st. We can’t blow those picks so let’s get the top players we need. Hopefully, we don’t F it up and actually get additional starters in the 3rd+.

When are numbers just numbers in threads here. There’s always intention behind posts of stats.

100%. It’s why we’ve blown our cap every year since Marty got back and haven’t had a winning season in 6 years. We haven’t had a good draft since CMC, Moton, Samuel and Butker. Unfortunately, we also have idiots running the ship who legitimately thought we had a good talented team. Amazing that we traded away 3 of 5 actually solid players considering how bad our drafting has been.

This is silly. $200M of that was two deals. Does it matter when two multi-year deals started? Browns deal doesn’t even really start until the 2025 season. The only deal I think doesn’t help us in the future is Clowney. If it’s not to prove or help out the offense, then it needs to be long term beneficial. Clowney will not see a playoff game with us so improving the D doesn’t help us long term.

This is not 2023, there is no TE worth pick 33 or 39 aside from Bowers who’s going way before.

Stop spreading cap hit. All that means is we would be going all in again when we can’t compete. We have him under contract for 2 more years, there is 0 reason to extend him now unless you are trying to contend. We are nowhere close to contending so there is no reason to extend to free up 2024 cap. Have we learned nothing from the past few years? Our team is bottom tier talent wise right now. Making more room this year for free agents is a complete waste of future cap space and let’s be honest more wins makes our draft picks worse. Look at what extra wins with shitty teams has gotten us: 2019 - Meaningless week 17 win and we get D Brown (no offense to him) instead of Herbert 2020 - Meaningless win over Haskins a week before his release and we get Horn instead of the 3rd pick where SF would have showered us with 3 1sts+. 2022 - Meaningless wins get us to pick 9 where we mortgage our future to move up 8 spots It is so frustrating to see these suggestions, not just yours, because the cap splurges on shitty players and trades, in part to winning that extra feel good game, have crippled this team where we are all but guaranteed to have an 8-10+ stretch of losing records. I’m still not feeling great about Morgan yet because he came from the same organization that didn’t get this for 6 years of losing so far.

When people say pay cut, it often makes me wonder if they understand cap. We are “paying” Moron $17M per year, period. That’s his deal. The cap hit is $30M now because we used bonuses to make his early cap hits way lower than $17M a year. His cap hit for 2021-2023 was $25M total even though he was paid $51M (by his average). That’s $26M we saved that’s hitting in 2024/2025. We can’t do anything but push that out. We aren’t a contender so like others have said, let’s eat it while we suck so we aren’t tempted to sign a couple guys to go from 4 wins to 5. Leave the future cap alone so we could afford a big splash when it matters.

Very much so. It’s why we lost value/talent in every draft since our last “good” draft back in 2017. Hurney 2.0 and Fitterer had locks that they had to draft regardless of value and that’s why we are where we are.

That was an all time TE talent draft. We missed the boat.

Agreed. If after this draft we’ve taken a TE in the 2nd and last year was our WR in the 2nd, it will prove we haven’t learned anything. Last year was the draft to go TE in the 2nd and this year is the draft to go WR in the 2nd.

Kiper put out a mock draft today and he sure doesn’t know that the Panthers aren’t that lucky. He has us trading 33 to the Giants for 47 and next year’s 2nd. Not a bad trade since we need talent, but I laughed at who he took for us at 39 and 47, almost felt like it was one of those this will never happen picking Rome Odunze at 33 type mocks. 39 - Ladd McConkey 47 - Jackson Powers-Johnson Right. If we walk out of the draft with those 2 and the Giants 2025 2nd, I’d drop to the floor and pray to the football gods to say thank you. I’ll also brace myself for the football gods to show us why they dropped and then laugh at us again.

Umm, he’s been the assistant GM for three years and I think Person had the article it, but he played a part in getting to where we are. I still blame Fitterer the most but Dan was his right hand man. Let’s hope he learned a lot but until we have some good drafts on the field (not just paper), we haven’t done anything.