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What? This is the best RB class in a long time. If we let Dowdle on a 1 year deal stop us from selecting a RB, we really are the worst drafting team out there. We have a lot of day 3 picks and there is no doubt there will be several RBs as BPA for a few of those. Personally, I feel like we are throwing money away. That $6M covers a 4th/5th round RB’s 4 year rookie deal. I’d rather have Hubbard, Brooks and a 2025 rookies as our RB corps. It just seems silly that we’re going to be paying our RBs $17M in 2025 and we won’t have our RB of the future playing at all.

I feel better just because we moved from a paper bag to a plastic one. Getting Derrick Brown back is more exciting than everything we’ve done so far. Heck, if we draft well, it will have more of an impact. It will be interesting to see if the results come to fruition.

You guys are both right. The problem is that when you have a bad drafting GM/scouts, the “hope” is more of a guess than a surprise bust. Was it a surprise when Brooks got hurt again? Was it a surprise that XL didn’t adjust faster than expected and was still raw at his age? Better teams reduce hope so if someone busts, it is a legit surprise. Bad teams (like us) are just guessing and tend to just focus on the positives and ignore the risks that make a bust not surprising. Let’s see if 2025 turns the corner in the draft. I’m still not optimistic because for all intents it seems to be the same team as the last GM.

Just an FYI, this stat line was brought up more than once for TMJ and Mingo. Maybe he will, but he got a ton of snaps last year. By snaps, XL was our number 1 WR. Thielen and Coker outperformed him on 40-50% less snaps. Reminded me of TMJ where people kept saying he needs more targets when snap wise he was our WR2 for most of his time. XL needs to be better and be able to turns all those snaps into production.

There’s also a big difference between our starters and most other teams. We’ve been bottom of the barrel since second half of 2018. Drafting a “starter” here is a lot easier than drafting a starter in KC so your stat, while true, doesn’t indicate that we are draft less starters each draft and we aren’t getting impact guys outside Brown and 50% of an impact guy in Horn. After round 1, since 2018, Chubba is literally the only impact starter in 7 drafts. Thats horrific drafting and it’s why we’ve spent $270M on 2 guards, 2 DTs and 1 safety. People go to the SB when they spend that on their franchise QB, not on guards, DTs and safeties. I hope they all make the team better but overpaying positions we should be drafting and developing on the cheap is not the best way to build a contender.

I don’t see what’s to like TBH. As someone posted about, spending in FA is easy. IOL was a problem because we ignored it in the draft, and we have solved (barring injury, depth is suspect) 2/3 of it with the 3rd highest paid RG and 9th highest paid LG. When you have the highest paid guard tandem, they better be good. Spending money on DL is obvious to do. Just like OL, that’s our weakness now. He’s done nothing special yet. Overspending is easy to do. Signing a Reddick or Luvu where your result is a great value, that’s special. Our 2024 draft has been very rough outside of Coker. Pick 8 and 57 better hit hard because signing FAs to be your core guys never works. The great team sign a FA or two to fill spots and use the bulk of their cap to extend their great draft picks.

Damn man. Now the kid’s gotta go to a Panthers game?

Very true, we’ve wasted so many picks and traded more away that we really are stuck a bit. They thought the Rams 2nd would replace our 2nd (last part of Young trade) and they ended up 18 picks apart. In looking at a mock, there were 8 DL and 4 DBs taken between our traded pick and the Rams pick we have. We still need to crush 8, like pro bowl level player and hit on 57. If not, we’re just going to keep throwing money at FAs and hope.

Good signing.

Yeah, I’m a bit worried that we are spending like crazy to hide our terrible drafting. It was posted earlier that this draft is loaded with DL. Makes me feel like we are going to ignore that.

First guy who popped into my mind. Another guy who benefited from the others. Remember Deshaun Hall and how he wasn’t just a product of being opposite Myles Garrett.

I’m with you there. New deals are always at the top of the range even if not the best but I agree. Surtain has performed better and been healthy to boot. Denver’s deal looks cheap now. I’ll say it again, we absolutely overrate our players in here. When they leave, we then say they were never good. Horn is solid but his 4 years aren’t close to being the best CB in the league. Unfortunately, we do overpay here because we’ve sucked and aren’t a draw and he’s good enough that he and his agent knew we’d give him whatever he wanted.

That’s better, I replied to a much earlier post. It’s still low end TE1 money but salaries go up every year. I’ll call it a slight overpay but I’m amazed at how many people thought 2-$16M was a good deal for our backup TE. I’m also amazed at how good Tremble is based on these posts versus what I watched. IMO, this is a meh move that doesn’t improve us at all. He’s just more of the same. We need to at some point start replacing current roster spots with better players. It’s another reminder that all we can do with day 2 and day 3 picks is get backups or forced starters (nobody better) at best.

These stances are stupid. Tyreke Hill (and Kelce is basically like having another WR1) was pretty good in the playoffs. Heck, he was amazing when the Bengals beat KC after that wild Buffalo game. Chase in Cincy is pretty good too and he lost to Stafford and Kupp. AJ Brown and Smith had some nice TDs for Philly in the SB. Randy Moss helped Brady have his best year ever in an almost undefeated year. There are loads of examples but people seem to forget then Welkers, Edelmans, Branches, especially when the team has a Gronk or Kelce.

No it’s not. Go to Spotrac and look at TE salaries. $8M was right at the middle of TE1s, around 15th-17th. That’s average TE1 money not TE2. Tremble was 42nd in receiving yards. $8M is triple what he should have gotten. We did the same thing for Thomas. We’ve paid our TEs like we’ve had average starting TEs when in reality our starting TEs couldn’t have made most rosters. I’m tired of us paying starting salaries to guys who’d never start for any other team. Kelce had maybe his worst year ever and was paid $20k per yard. We just paid Tremble $34k per yard. SMH. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. This is basically extending Ian Thomas all over again.

It really is. If he truly was amazing, he should have supplanted Ewers in 2024 or been so insulted that he transferred. Lawrence and Fields were “generational” ranked and Lawrence started day 1 as a true freshman and Fields bailed on Georgia when he didn’t play and took OSU to the 4 team playoffs as a sophomore. Arch wasn’t close to either. It’ll be interesting to see if he develops but based on the hype, it’s amazing that he spent two years as a backup and is finally the guy as a junior. This should be his last college season and we’ve never really seen him play. 2/3 of his entire passing career were against a team that went 3-5 in the Sun Belt and a 2-10 Mississippi St team.

We’ve had the luxury of going BPA for years. What makes you think this is the year we decide to actually do it? I can honestly say that I’m more disappointed in the 2024 draft class at the end of the season than I was after the draft and I wasn’t happy after the draft. I’m extremely worried we are going to make a big mistake at 8. Hoping I’m wrong and somehow we pull a stud.

Agreed. Lawrence won a title as a freshman and Arch was only being used as a running threat (and fumbled to boot) in the playoffs as a sophomore. Ewers is very likely never going to be an NFL starter and Arch is the guy teams are tanking for now?

I watched a couple games and I left underwhelmed because at the start of the season he was the top edge rusher at the time.

Are we drafting him to be a straight LB or an edge rusher? The potential comparison to Parsons has been brought up. Only Luke was worth the 8th pick, so are we expecting him to be Luke or Burns? If the former, he better be Luke or it’s way too high and if the latter, he’s on the small side.

Actually, from the combine, he’s 6’1” and 243. He’s not a safety but he’s a bit small.

The Nope was agreeing with his last statement that the clocks aren’t the same setup. I get the confusion, but I was agreeing that pro day numbers are BS as everyone seems to improve. Thats why it’s disappointing when guys don’t run at the combine where you get apples to apples. The silliness does appear when a guy runs a 4.39 and someone thinks a 4.49 guy is slow. For RBs or WRs or DBs, the 3 cone and shuttle might be more important. It’s very rare you run straight line for 40 yards. I’ll take a sub 7 3 cone and a 4.5 over a bad 3 cone and a 4.4 for a WR/RB because making cuts and shiftiness is more important to getting open or hitting a hole, etc.

100% agree. None of the numbers, drills or college tape guarantees anything. Just have to use it all and just because there’s bad tape or bad drills, it doesn’t mean a player’s off the board, it just means when you watch Little’s drills, you don’t draft him until day 3 or let someone else catch the knife. Hurney and Fitterer had a hard time with watching everything and using 1 part of the process to make their picks instead of everything. One year we use PFF, next year it’s RAS and the next it’s coach’s feedback. That’s what happens when the GM/scouts are bottom of the barrel. This is Morgan’s make or break year after a poor 2024 draft.

That’s why it annoys me when people, who don’t watch the combine, poos it as just measurements. Sure that’s part of it and the numbers can show you which guys shouldn’t be targets, like Hurney drafting Gaulden in the 3rd when he was the least athletic DB at the combine. The drills are basically setup to simulate in game athleticism and abilities. The 2019 combine was a perfect example. While it didn’t show Burns’ weakness against the run, the drills showed his elite athleticism which showed on the field. On the other hand, Little looked downright awful in the drills, worst OL by far. There’s a reason why Little started the offseason as a top 15 pick and ended outside of most top 50s. Hurney was still in love and eating a meatball sandwich during drills so we took him two rounds early and traded up to do so.

20.8 at a single point doesn’t say anything. They had Golden at above 24 MPH and 3 other WRs at above 23. Coker got over 21 MPH at one point on his long TD and he’s not “fast” overall. Also, I think there is a certain amount of time you have to spend at that speed For those stats. They had momentary speeds of 25+ MPH on the WR gauntlets and the highest speeds of the NFL are never that high.