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I miss 2020. We played the 1 seeds in both conferences and had a chance to win both games. We are so far from that now. Heck, 3-4 games into 2021 and this forum was discussing the potential seeding and playoff bye weeks. We threw the playoffs out the door on Young’s first pass, lol.

What FA blunders? We paid Kalil $31M for mediocre to bad results. Short was a good deal as we got good output during the guarantee. The problem was that Marty came back and let him keep playing and getting diminishing results and injuries. He was correct on Olsen and Marty just gifted him more money when he was hurt and he never was close to the same. Josh Norman was a bit of a fiasco but honestly, he sure didn’t look worth the money and he never came close to 2015 again. Other than that, all I recall is cheap dumpster diving. Trai Turner was extended by Marty. I know DG wasn’t a good GM but Marty spent like a drunken sailor as soon as he came back. We paid Teddy as much for one season as we paid for all years of Matt Kalil. Totaling up the FA spending from 2018 to 2020 with Marty 2.0 far exceeded what DG did. As to the drafts, it’s funny that 2017, Dave’s last draft with us was his best. CMC, Moton, Samuel and Butker is the best we’ve done since, geez, probably close to 20 years we’d have to go back. It doesn’t make up for the rest of the draft mistakes but it’s funny that his last draft was his best with us and it shows what we’ve done wrong since only 1 player is actually still on the team.

Just apologize for that horrible post. Relax man, we are tanking regardless. We have the worst D in the league and it’ll get worse. God forbid Horn goes down again. All this blustering about not wanting a high draft pick is kind of comical since our best team and best QB/LB came because of us being shitty in 2010 and 2011. If we didn’t have Clausen and had some old vet like Dalton, we wouldn’t have had Cam and Luke and 2015/4 straight playoffs. Sure, Young busted but our idiots had one of the top young QBs in Stroud right there. If we didn’t draft a QB, and tanked with Corral, we would have had a shot at Daniels. So, yeah we fuged up at #1, badly, but it sure doesn’t mean you don’t want to get a top pick. We tanked unsuccessfully before. We missed out with 1 extra win on SF giving us the bounty it gave Houston (seems to have helped them) for Lance. We missed out on Herbert over Brown by one extra game. We finished 6-6 in 2022 and that forced us to give up the house for Young. All of those years, the extra meaningless wins cost us a lot. Sorry, but I hope we tank hard because let’s be honest we need it the way our GMs have traded away all our talent and valuable draft picks.

Eh, I’m not super impressed with the build versus the results. The OL has been solid and hopefully stays solid without Corbett. The 2015 line was considered top 2 to Dallas in pretty much every OL discussion and top 5 at worst. If we had a young healthy Stewart, we’d probably give them way more credit. Also, the D (except bad attempts) wasn’t completely ignored by Gettleman because we spent $153M on two guards. Gettleman spent 1 3rd and 1 UDFA to fill out a really solid IOL around Kalil. Oher and Remmers cost very little. Williams was a 4th rounder and unfortunately he and Oher got hurt badly. Moton was the largest expense as a 2nd rounder and he’s still on the team. I think Gettleman did just as well with less capital. Again DG was not a good GM but I think he put a solid OL together without using much. Morgan really just paid a ton for two guards inserted into 3 guys already set as starters. Good call but not exactly amazing value. His call on Corbett was unfortunately wrong as he once again didn’t make it through the season and the best C available in the draft is doing great in Pittsburgh. I’m not going to call that a great build yet when we’re spending $65M a year in average salary on the OL and also spent a 6th overall pick. We need the answer at C and RT. We can’t spend $65M every year on the OL and we have nothing on the bench that will be a solid NFL starter.

Man, it’s like we always completely ignore the 2014-2017 OL as if it never existed. I think it’s the whole LT syndrome. Gettleman was far from perfect but he did some decent work at OL. In 5 drafts, he got Turner, Moton, Williams and Norwell while adding Remmers (I know but he started 54 games for other teams), Oher and Speed Bump in FA. He started and ended with Ryan at C. When you draft Moton and 3 others that get pro-bowls or 1st/2nd team all pros, that’s a decent job in 5 drafts. Our cap space also was terrible to start so it was draft and dumpster diving before adding speed bump. No $153M for two guards. Morgan won’t have “fixed” the OL IMHO until we draft a starting C and RT replacement. We can’t fix this team in FA. We need rookies becoming above average/impact starters.

We passed on Creed Humphrey for TMJ. Morgan is starting to feel just like Fitterer on draft day.

It’s not surprising. Fitterer in 3 years traded away so much talent (DJ and CMC, basically Burns) and draft picks (2 firsts, 3 2nds and a score of thirds and fourths). We lost so much talent that there was no way to fix both and we didn’t even have the cap space to sign the guards without trading Burns first.

Well, for $30M, we got 1 full year followed by 9 total games in 2 years. Sounds about Pantherrific to me.

I posted about him in another thread because folks were getting excited that he’s developing. We’re past participation trophies, especially for a guy who’s 29 in the first year of his second contract (big assumption). Not sure if you read it, but Burns is in his 6th year and he’s only 6 months older than DJ Johnson. Just the age would have had me going how can we think that a current project player will replace a player who’s basically the same age but already had 5 years in the NFL. That’s a giant red flag. Go find two 21 year old projects instead of trading up for one old project.

It’s not considering the current returns on the 2024 class. 9-8 is possible in 2026 if we have amazing draft classes. Houston getting Stroud, Anderson and Dell in one class made a huge jump. CJ turned Nico into Nico as well that year. Detroit showed some life in 2022, but also added Campbell, Gibbs, La Porta and Branch in the 2023 draft as well and that jumped them to a 12 win contender. We could easily have had Stroud and Dell but we got Young and Mingo. It’s a fine line between poo and diamonds and we for some reason still seem intent on digging through poo.

XL is going to be 24 in January when DJ Moore will still be 27. DJ is now in season 7 in the NFL. We keep drafted older projects, not just projects, but older projects. I hope XL works out but a first round pick on a guy who didn’t have over 167 yards in college until he was in year 5 is honestly way too risky for this club. Go up and get Thomas or Worthy or stay put and grab Coleman. All of those guys are 2 years younger than Leggette.

Yep and it hurts again since we gave up a 2nd, 4th and 6th for Darnold, a 3rd for Henderson, 2 4ths for DJ and Corral, 2 1sts and 2 2nds for Young and so on, all in 3 years. Wasting 1sts to 3rds can’t keep happening because we don’t have the surplus of picks that most rebuilding teams have.

Can we not act like TMJ wasn’t awful? Mingo may be worse but neither one should be on the team. We’ve got too many guys who wouldn’t be on any other roster. TMJ hasn’t played at all this year, not even sure if he’s on a team anymore.

Houston was about the worst team in 2022 (Bears also had 3 wins). Detroit was likely the worst team from 2019-2021 with 11 wins total. 2 years after 3 win seasons, both teams were playoff teams and look to be playoff contenders for a while. Both of them had solid drafts during their low periods. They also got rid of people for picks during that period to make it easier to draft well. We did the opposite and traded away good picks so 2 years is likely 3 for us but unless Brooks really is amazing, our 2024 draft isn’t cutting it for great drafting. We need legit great drafting. We need a Myles Garrett or a CJ Stroud with our top pick in 2025.

Oh, I know that but there was a whole lot of hopium getting smoked in here after the Raiders game. I enjoyed the win but I’m still pretty certain we’ll finish close to where we did last year.

Yep. Bloom is off that rose. Dalton is not a QB that can take this franchise to the playoffs. Dalton is still Dalton.

Awful. Safety was watching it the whole time and Mingo didn’t even appear to look the right way. SMH. The amount of draft picks we’ve just literally wasted the past few years is unbelievable.

He really did. It’s truly amazing and we see evidence of his failures in every game we watch.

Shame we won’t own our own second at pick 33. SMH.

It’s the Fitterer bowl. It’s basically the Panthers (team he built) versus the Bears (where he sent our trash). It’s funny that we would would take each individual piece of that trade over Young now: 2023 pick 9, 2023 2nd rounder, 2024 pick 1, DJ Moore and 2025 pick 33. Somehow we traded it all. SMH.

Had a feeling this would be a get right game for Williams.

Miss Jackson, if you’re nasty.

Yep, that’s what I said. If he suddenly becomes Julius Peppers that would be nice. We have nobody at edge right now. I’d expect a 26 year old that we used a 3rd and 4th on would be developed. It amazes me how low our expectations are right now that a guy with 1 TFL and 1 QB hit and a half sack in 4 games is a feel good story. We need more than a feel good story. I’d bet there is at least one bench edge player on the other 31 teams that could step in and start for us right now. DJ Johnson is tied for 189th place in sacks with a half sack. That’s basically 6 guys for every team with a sack. I don’t know why, but it annoys me when guys get lauded for below average play with no real impact. Our OL is having a huge impact, as is Dalton, but DJ is far from impact and hopefully gets replaced in the draft.

This is why:

Shefter said that yesterday, that he wasn’t going to sign with us after this season. Morgan should be talking to him and seeing if an extension is off the table. If it is, trade him for whatever you can get.