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He was amazing tonight. We saw that catch live and it was electric. Shame Chuba screwed up on the next play. It’s almost disrespectful to fumble after Thielen’s catch to keep the drive alive and get into FG range. It really hurt realizing we saw potentially our best play of the year get completely wasted one play later.

I was at the game and just an FYI, he wasn’t drifting the ball left. We were on the left hash mark on both misses and you can see a straight line down the hash marks is just left or right of the goal posts. He hit both straight as an arrow but on the left hash mark that’s a miss just left of the goal post. He needed to push those a little right rather than kick them dead straight. Regardless, he knows how to kick those correctly so he messed up.

BS call.

Now on? Canales should have been doing it all game. D is bailing out these pussy punts and kicks.

Ridiculous coaching by GT in OT with the 2 pt plays. They had 8 2 pt attempts including the PI and they passed with no run fake on 7 of them. The other was a QB run. They handed off to RBs 0 times out of 8. UGA finally hands it off and wins. If GT tried to run more and hands it to a RB, they score more than 1 in 8 and win. There has been a lot of stupid coaching today and yesterday at the end of games. Do what you do well and don’t screw up clock management and you might actually win. Do what we saw and you lose.

Both guys you mentioned are in the 60s on PFF and Frazier, as a rookie no less, is almost 80. You are overrating our guys. Frazier would be dominating with our guards around him. We made a mistake passing on Humphrey for TMJ a few years ago and a bunch of us were pissed passing on another solid OL and the same draftniks in here really wanted a C and we passed on another stud for a position we didn’t need to reach for this draft. Sometimes the answer is on the roster but there are still much better players. Bryce has been “above backup play” the past few weeks. Would you actually argue that we wouldn’t be improved with a top 5-8 QB like Allen or Burrow or Jackson, etc.?

That wasn’t on KC. That was the Raiders coach. Clock the ball in FG range with 15 seconds left. You do not have time to run another play that isn’t immediately out of bounds. Also, it seems like the Raiders staff didn’t know what they wanted to do hence still huddling up with 8-10 seconds left on the play clock. How is that possible after clocking the ball? Horrific coaching again. The announcers after the game just showed how the Raiders didn’t even have a play called causing the confusion and quick snap with 5 seconds left on play clock. That timeout wasted on deciding not to punt hurt too. Can’t have a coach that has no confidence in what to do. Amazing how these hot seat coaches can make these egregious errors at the end of the game and cost their team a chance to tie or win.

Sorry man, Mays is not Frazier. Would you rather have a rookie Ryan Kalil on your team or a young Bradley Bozeman? Mays is a backup, which is fine but he’s not a potential pro bowler/all pro. If we were smart drafters, we’d be paying attention to positional draft strengths. That’s how a team like the Steelers keep winning even with mediocre QB play since Roethlisberger. If they drafted Frazier, they understood he was a great value. Our draft class has been good for us but it wasn’t fantastic. If we drafted our next Kalil instead of a RB with 2 carries for 7 yards in 11 games, it would have been really good. We extended Hubbard and could have drafted someone rated as high as Brooks in the 3rd, maybe early 4th in the 2025 draft. Cade Mays doesn’t change that at all.

I know people liked the draft but we still don’t get the whole we aren’t a contender so get the BPA/best value. The 2025 RB draft class is stocked. There will be guys in the 3rd and 4th round grades similar to Brooks in the weak 2024 class. Picking a guy who has done nothing in 2024 makes even less sense. Should have been Frazier and then go RB to compliment Chuba in round 4 of 2025. If we want a talent like Frazier this year it will cost a late 1st/early 2nd.

I don’t think we’ll ever see an elite QB like the top QBs out of Bryce. He just doesn’t have the size to do what Allen can do or the crazy skills of Mahomes off platform or Burrow, Lamar and the rest of the top QBs. I said it in another thread. The best hope we can have is an Alex Smith type that can win this crappy division and we can keep building up the team around him cheaply and then hopefully find our Super Bowl contending QB talent. We can’t be Daniel Jonesed in to paying Young a mint for what is a QB that would never go to the playoffs in a division with a top team but could win our poo division at 10-7.

His time in Baltimore isn’t really helping him get a big fat contract. Plenty of WRs out there could come in and be the #1 on the Panthers.

I still worry about his arm strength limiting what we can do. After this game, teams might not come in and expect a cakewalk. All that said, I hope he’s our Alex Smith who we can cheaply build around and be competitive while we look for our Mahomes. I just don’t see him being someone that could legitimately contend versus someone who could be good enough to win the poo fest that is the NFC South.

It would absolutely have helped his cause. Also, if he traded DJ Moore for pick 15 in the 2023 draft (Packers offer), that would have helped. Heck, tanking that season by making any other trade so we don’t finish 6-6 and have to trade up for Bryce would have helped him. First, Tepper would understand that we were in rebuild mode and really targeting a rookie QB. Second, we wouldn’t have thrown away so many picks to fug up with Young. Third, we would have had an arsenal of picks still which helps Fitterer look like he has a real plan. Last, that Burns trade would have looked like a huge win for us, especially when Sweat and Chase Young were had for way less. Fitterer was fired because literally every move he made caused us to be worse. He needed a Burns to LA trade haul to give him something good to highlight. A GM who is rebuilding collects future draft picks and has a plan. We didn’t do that and we clearly had no plan and his execution sucked.

Umm, did you miss the posts after this? It’s been reported that only Souleman was a dissenting voice that said take the Rams picks. Morgan was in agreement to not take the picks.

Still boggles my mind that people couldn’t see how good that deal was. We laid out all the picks and cap savings and still some people said they’d rather have Burns. SMH. Burns or Hunt + Lewis for the same cost/cap, Avila (G Rams took, probably don't sign Lewis), Verse (DE Rams took) and of course their 2025 1st (tankathon has Shavon Revel Jr CB). Still amazes me how much people overrate our players. Franchise changing trade we declined to get a complimentary RB for Chuba.

If Dan and Souleman both disagreed, they might have turned Fitterer.

Sorry, but it’s been reported by Person that Dan was in agreement of passing on the trade. Souleman was the only dissenting voice, likely because no soon to be $30M non-QB ever gets that much. Even the awful GM Bill O’Brien paid less for Tunsil than what we turned down for Burns because the Texans got two picks back.

Yep. I’m happy he isn’t Mingo/TMJ level but the body catching has to stop. I’m not going to die on the drop stats but we wouldn’t be talking about his hands if it hasn’t been noticeable.

Kudos to Morgan? I’d give him kudos if he didn’t agree with Fitterer to not trade him to the Rams. He made lemonade from the lemon, but we were offered filet mignon.

Not this year. LB is crazy high unless you can guarantee he’s exactly like Kuechly which is impossible. Also, edge rusher is a no go in this draft. There are some DT/CBs that could go that high but there is no one close to a Bosa, Garrett, Hutchinson, etc. If I had a hope, it would be somehow lucking into Travis Hunter to play CB and use occasionally on offense. Graham at DE opposite Brown could be fun as well. He's the only DL I’ve seen consistently at the top of the rankings. CBS had him 3rd preseason and 4th mid season so he’s been consistently at the top, which is nice to see. He also just turned 21 in September, which I’m a fan of rather than picking so many older rookies that still have to develop.

They can, but Legette has had more drops than 4 IMHO. I’m assuming they aren’t labeling “tougher” catches like today’s miss as a drop. IMHO, a first round WR needs to make that catch. That’s what makes someone a top WR, making tough catches in key moments.

His drop today went right through his hands. The defender was there but only Legette had a chance at the ball. There was no contest, it was a perfectly thrown ball.

Sorry, but these seem suspect. It feels like he’s had at least 4 just in Young’s recent starts. Just like today, we’ve overcome them but 4 for this season seems low. I don’t think there would have been a thread on his drops if he was just average. Luckily for us, we got a 1st on 4th down because Legette’s drop could have been a game losing drop.

Agree. I was really impressed with Young. First time I felt like he was possibly good enough. The Thielen PI in the end zone was a solid pass and the drop by Legette was a perfect pass. He was on point today, more accurate than I ever recall before. Heck, he was even making decent decisions when no one was open. Sucked to lose but damn fun game to watch, especially the drive to tie it.

I don’t think starting rookies = tank per se. We’ve been starting lots of rookies every year since Rhule started. That’s been more of an indictment of how bad our talent pool has gotten. Trading Burns, Diontae, Mingo (lol) and just finally being sellers by not giving up our talent for a crappy QB is more tanking. Hopefully, we don’t somehow screw it up because damn if there aren’t a poo ton of bad teams this year. Last year we got the number 1 pick, which wasn’t ours anyway, by 2 games. 2nd worst team had 4 wins. There might be 6-7 teams with 3 or less wins this year.