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BTW, love threads like this. I haven’t paid much attention outside of pick 8, just because our recent drafts have honestly sucked the life out of something I always looked forward to each year. Last year especially with having traded pick 1.

Umm, yes he is. I don’t think I’ve seen a mock draft by an analyst where Graham makes it to 8. I’m sure there’s a surprise one but he’s pretty much gone by Jacksonville in 99% of the drafts. Where he goes depends on the QBs but he is absolutely a consensus top 10 pick.

Scary how bad the TMJ and Mingo picks were and how similar the XL pick seems to be. We’ve seen how Coker and Thielen and heck even Diontae were able to have great games with Bryce and yet we seem to draft these RAC, big, athletic projects instead of guys like Downs and McConkey. It’s almost bizarre but it seems like we got the worst of the Seattle brain trust that just want to find the next Wilson or Metcalf or ignore the OL until it physically hurts. It takes too long even when we finally do something right and then you realize we’ve got a good OL but now we give up 30 points per game. This draft better be a multi-bagger.

In the past 7 years we wouldn’t have had to TBH. We would have been better off realizing we lost Cam, Luke and many others. It was time to do an actual rebuild and save the cap space so we could keep our “good” (huddle consensus) draft picks like extending Trey Smith and Creed Humphrey instead of having cap space to burn since the long snapper and TMJ didn’t work out. Also, have enough cap space to keep some offensive weapons like CMC and Moore because we don’t have to trade up for a QB or didn’t have to “recover” picks lost in poo trades. One other note here is that, the consensus huddle would have jumped at the chance to get two 1sts and a 2nd for Burns. That alone would have been the best FA/trade move made in the history of the Panthers. It is 100% indisputable fact that a huddle consensus GM, from 2018 to 2024, would have done way better and we’d have a playoff contender right now. Maybe not a SB/NFC winning team but likely the best team in the NFC South rather than a hey we lost close games to the teams in the SB even though our D set a single season points allowed record.

I said that with Fitterer. If you looked through his picks and the trades where he gave away picks, you would actually wonder if he was a plant from Seattle intentionally trying to make us a worse team.

I still never understand the back the team no matter what the results have been. There is no doubt in my mind that if the huddle had run the drafts the past 7 years, we would have a much better team right now and likely challenged for our division the past few years. The drafts have been awful, period and there’s probably 10 consensus guys we were right on that would all have been improvements on the current roster.

I like it. Whether or not you agree, doesn’t matter as much as it has good info. I like the Senior Bowl and visit info. Not easy to find good blurbs about which players met with which teams and SB practice info all in one spot. I haven’t looked much at the visits recently, probably because it’s disappointing to see us having Maxx Crosby in for a private visit but take Will Grier instead or see players who barely visit anyone else yet we take them in day 2 or day 3 and shockingly they don’t work out. It’s just nice to have a list of all prospects from round 1 to 7/UDFA. Again, I don’t care much about the exact rankings just nice to look at the full list of prospects and blurbs on each one (some over multiple years) broken down by each position. Their web site kind of sucks but it’s free info so can’t complain.

If only we drafted like that. Common sense (last year too SMH) that this draft was the time to pick up a RB. We just tend to be stupid and draft an injured RB (who’ll miss 2 years) as the top RB in a weak class. We actually have a need at RB this year so we should use one of the many day 3 picks on a RB.

True, if McMillan is Mike Evans (some comps), then we should draft him. No idea if he is or not but if he’s truly that level, we’d be stupid to pass him up just because we need defense. There will be plenty of DL busts that are available at 8.

Thanks, I remember way too much stupid stuff. It’s why I probably seem more negative. Close losses don’t excite me because that happens all the time, not just us. 100% agree on the draft. I think we’re so used to crappy drafting that many in here try to fluff up a bad draft. XL could amaze us, but realistically he’s never going to have St. Brown hands and Brooks might have 2 years as Hubbard’s running mate as his best case scenario. That’s a bad draft. As you said, the draft didn’t make us better. We need drafts that make us better. From 2011 to 2014, we added Cam, Luke, Norman, Short, Star, Turner, Norwell and a few more multi year starters. These weren’t even epic drafts but still, in 2021 to 2024, we got Young, Horn, Iky and Hubbard. Not exactly close. Just Cam and Luke alone gave us more value than our entire last 4 drafts. We need stars not just mediocre starters who only play because we lost so much talent.

Nolen might be too early but if he hits and Burch hits in the 3rd that would change the DL overnight. Still some risk at 8. I don’t like the C pick. Awful reach at 57. This C class isn’t close to last year. Last year was the year to draft the C. If you use one or more of the day 3 picks on OL, that’s fine. Add in another edge or CB in round 2, I’d like the draft.

We almost beat both #1 seeds in Rhule’s first year. If we finished 5-1 with the 1 loss being a road playoff game like we did in 2014, I’d be feeling great. We finished 2-5 and got crushed in 2 of our last 4 games. 2024 was a vast improvement but we need a great draft so we get out of the good loss business.

I don’t mean this to disparage you, but duh. It’s why some of us still don’t get why we think Morgan had a solid draft this year. I don’t think the huddle gets what a strong draft is. We haven’t had many in our history but drafts like 2017 that net an MVP level RB, a very solid long career RT and a top K plus role player like Samuel or getting top DTs and top Gs plus a couple more average starters in back to back drafts solidifies a team that goes to 4 out of 5 playoffs. The 2018 to 2024 drafts got a handful of decent players but is basically a net negative talent building. Pick 8 better be a pro bowl level players or we’ll stay where we are. We also need some other picks to hit as well.

That’s not the choice. It’s more like CB2 vs Edge2. With potentially two QBs, one DT, one CB, one Edge being off the table, our choice will probably be between CB2, Edge2 or WR1. If there is a surprise OT or Clelin Ferrell then who knows but we aren’t choosing the 3rd or 4th Edge over CB 2.

So lucky on that call. That was clearly KC jumping first. So far two calls that Philly should have gotten that stopped drives for 3 points that could have been 6 to 14. One call against KC that gave Philly 7. Not horrible yet, but still in KC’s favor. I’m glad Philly at least made the FG.

Spouting religion has nothing to do with preying on the innocent being bad. Preying on the innocent is just plain evil, period.

Let’s be honest, this is just a human thing. Pretty sure evil people are in just about every nook and cranny. The bigger the story, the more we hear about it. I don’t think the Nickelodeon/Hollywood pedos are into religion. Acting as if the removal of religion would turn this world into a wonderful place is very myopic. I don’t think the Catholoc church has assaulted more children than the weird uncles/awful parents of the world, but it’s easier to attack a single entity. Saints suck and I hope they get folded.

SMH. What other teams do this? Other players don’t care about Thielen getting more than his contract. They only care what we offer them and anything extra means we have less to spend.

Again, dude signed a 3 year 25M deal. He averaged 8.3M per year. Why would you add more incentives when you have him under contract? Is your name Marty? I remember when out of respect he gave Greg more money and Greg didn’t earn a penny of it as he missed most of the last couple of seasons with injuries. Thielen is not going to hold out. You don’t just kick more money to him when you don’t have to and he already got the signing bonus up front.

You know he’s already under contact for this year, right? There’s no need to guarantee or add incentives. We either want to keep him or release him. Restructuring would be dumb. We don’t need to push any money down the road for a 5-12 team with a horrific defense.

I haven’t seen enough of him but the 1 game I watched, he didn’t impress me for as much hype as he was getting. Pretty sure Pearce was the top edge guy going into the 2024 season.

So far, it really was. I think the most wanted picks for us were McConkey and a C or CB (would have been Frazier and Sainristill based on who was left). We could have easily traded up too because we wouldn’t have needed to trade up for XL. It’s the same thing for most picks we’ve made over the past 6 drafts starting with Greg Little and Will Grier instead of Jenkins/McCoy and Maxx Crosby (all 3 had private visits SMH).

You’d hope. I don’t feel like we’ve been good at this for a long time.

I’m talking about football talent. Technique is something you can learn and improve. Innate football talent is something that isn’t going to be learned. Bad route runners don’t become great ones. Bad hands don’t become great ones. Edge rushers don’t all of a sudden get amazing bend. There may be a little overlap in that players can improve, but some players just have better football skills. All things equal, sure I want the guy who loves football and is super passionate, but I’m not going to want a passionate guy over Calvin Johnson. The whole Dawg thing was fun at first but that’s supposedly what Dan was looking for and we literally had the worst defense in NFL history. Let’s just hope we draft some god damned good NFL players for once.

Umm, you need to let a combine result overrule the tape when, like @SmokinwithWilly mentioned, Greg Little’s combine drills were the worst of every OL in attendance. He was a PFF superstar with only 1 sack given up. The numbers stuff can exaggerate good or bad too much, but all the drills they run are simulating actual plays/movements so doing poorly/well there is a good way to compare people and to show why you should take a chance on a Trey Smith in the 6th or not waste a chance on Deonte Brown in the 6th because one is skilled and the other benefited from first and second rounders all around him. It really is funny how some of us armchair GMs can see the obvious but the Panthers GMs get fooled way too often.