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Oh yeah, I forgot that terrible holding call on Buffalo that basically stopped the drive. It would have been 2nd and 3 on Samuel’s catch instead of 2nd and 22. I hate when the refs make such a huge impact.

Refs seem to want Lamar to move on. That holding was ridiculously obvious and they’ve let multiple pushes and two punches after the whistle go.

You need a little luck but they got Stroud, Anderson, Stingley, Collins, Dell and a handful of other solid starters in 4 drafts. We got Iky, Young and Horn (1 healthy year) in the same 4 drafts. The trade up for Young (among other bad trade ups/trades) did cost us a lot of additional potential talent plus CMC and Moore. Feels like we’ve been treading water so to speak. You are saying what I’ve been saying about our drafts. We need more than just hey Wallace has been OK or XL may end up being OK and hopefully Brooks will play again in 2026. There’s a huge difference between an above average NFL starter and a starter who wouldn’t start elsewhere. We need more top starters if we want to actually compete. The Texans turned over almost half their starters in the past 4 drafts with several top starters.

The Texans also had an abundance of draft picks. Remember they drafted Will Anderson one pick after Stroud. Collins wasn’t much in his 2 seasons prior to Stroud as Davis Mills was terrible. Tank Dell was drafted the same year as Stroud. The Texans draft 7 2024 starters in 2023 and 2024. Add in Nico Collins breakout and Hunter as a defensive stud and you’ve got the roster they have today. Heck, they’ve got multiple starters from 2022 including another probowler. Our drafting looks like poo from 2018-2024 compared to that even with Young looking so much better. They drafted three pro bowlers at the key positions in 2022-2023. I keep saying that our drafting has got to get to another level. Some people think Morgan did a great job this year and someone even posted that even if Coker is a WR3 that it’s a great result as a UDFA. That’s BS. Coker needs to be a good WR2 at worst to make up for missing on first and second rounders at WR for years. Just look at the talent and depth the Texans got in the 2021-2024 drafts to see how much we need to do to really be playoff competitive year in and year out. The Texans look like they are there and a large part of that is “tanking” while starting Mills and trading Watson while he was worth something. We didn’t do that so we need to actually hit (XL and Brooks don’t count as a hit draft) on every draft while Young is still on a rookie deal.

More importantly, it depends on who the retread’s QB is. Those dimes dropped were all Daniels. The OC, HC and QB coach, etc. had no impact on Daniels having his arm talent and skills. Coaches can help mold them but sometimes you’ve got a QB who transcends everything. McDermott didn’t make Allen and Reid couldn’t get all the way with Smith like he did with Mahomes.

Umm, just to remind you, Cam Newton only has 3 career playoff wins and one of those was against a 3rd string QB with 3 TDs and 11 INTs in his career. Daniels is phenomenal and we were unlucky enough to pass on Stroud and trade away a pick that was one before Daniels. That said, don’t throw stones in glass houses. Saying Daniels is great doesn’t need to make fun of a QB whose playoff results remind us of our own historical playoff results.

We don’t need to trade back. We have 2 4ths and 3 5ths already. 9 picks and UDFAs, no reason at all to trade back. There are on rare occasions NFL guys in the 6th and 7th. We have been terrible at identifying day 3 talent but at least we kind of learned and took Mays in the 6th the draft after missing twice on Trey Smith. That said we have more than enough picks to help with depth. What we truly need is to get legitimate above average starters. We appear to have one top 10 guy in Lewis (6th/7th best LG) and a couple guys close to top 10 in Moton at RT and Hunt at RG and that’s likely why our OL was solid. We just can’t keep adding below average starters and act like they are great because they are starting. Our pick 8 needs to be top 10 at his position and 1 or 2 of the day 2 guys needs to be average NFL starter and 1 or 2 of our day 3 picks to surprise and at worst be upgrades to current starters. We need to crawl out of the talent hole we are clearly in right now.

We would have been better off saving the cap space and not trading for Diontae in the first place. I don’t know for sure but since we made that trade before the draft, McConkey may have been off the board as too similar to Johnson.

Well, maybe not geniuses. He was actually getting attention which seems to be his whole problem. I’ll play devil’s advocate here and say if we didn’t trade for him we would have 1) saved $9.4M in cap and cash and 2) we might have drafted McConkey. I won’t call us geniuses when we altered our team for him and paid most of his money. The picks basically cancel out since we got Pittsburgh’s late 7th and got the Ravens’ late 5th and gave up two 6ths. We would have been better if we just dumped Donte to save $12M in cap space and drafted our Diontae Johnson.

We probably do. I just grabbed two posts and added some color to the stats. Legette got a ton of targets and needs to produce way more. McConkey, Coker and Thielen were all 9.8+ ypt and Legette was 5.5, which is right around the corner from Mingo’s 4.6 and Franklin’s 5.0. He needs to improve, although if we take TMac, we are kind of limiting Legette’s presence as long as Thielen doesn’t retire.

Even if he did, our current pick based on the Rams winning is pick 58. If the Rams bear the Eagles, welp we are pick 61+. Feels like watching our CMC draft picks get worse and worse every week SF won.

It’s amazing how often a we’ve repeated the same mistakes. Projects, injuries, reaching, drafting to the weakness of a draft not the strength and just plain poor scouting. This draft has to be a real good draft. Not just starters that are below average or wouldn’t start elsewhere, but actual above average starters like McConkey and Frazier and others we passed on seem to be. Somehow Young has changed but that’s not enough when your D gives up 146 points in the last 4 games so you have to go to two OTs when you scored 30 and 38 in regulation.

Just pointed out that Coleman was far more productive because he only had half the targets. Your first line compared Legette to Coleman. Coleman is a typical rookie. I’d be happy with Legette’s production in a vacuum, but it kind of reminds me a bit of TMJ where people were surprised that he had as many snaps as he did and people excused his production by saying he needed more opportunity when he was our WR2. I wasn’t really even arguing. I saw two posts using other WRs as examples of why Legette was solid and I wanted to add some comments. Legette has a lot of work to do and I really hope he takes the next step but he had better stats than actual production/effectiveness.

I’m with you on the drafting. Our 2024 draft feels like the same as Scotty and that’s not good for the future. We have to blow away the draft. I mean, do you think any team would trade their 1st through 4th for our picks?

Just an FYI for Coleman and Franklin, they were not their team’s #1 target. While we may think Coker and Thielen were better, hint they were, Legette out-snapped them by 50% and sizably out-targeted both of them. He just produced Mingo like production per target so it seemed like he was the 3rd target when he actually led our WRs in snaps and targets by a good amount. Coleman was 3rd in targets on the Bills and had half the targets that Legette had and his ypt was 9.8 to Legette’s 5.5. Franklin was 3rd in targets but he had a Legette/Mingo level of 5.0 ypt. That said, Franklin was a 4th round pick, not a 1st round pick. Sorry to both of you, but production wise, Legette had a bad season and produced like a 4th rounder. McConkey absolutely should have been our pick. All we can do is hope that somehow Legette improves a lot and doesn’t end up just like Mingo and TMJ.

Imagine if we just took Brandon Fiske instead of trading him to the Rams. 8.5 sacks for a rookie DT seems pretty good. That Rams’ 2nd has gone from top 5 to bottom 8 since the early games and Fiske is part of the reason. Reminds me of the CMC trade where we thought we might be getting top half of the round picks only to get the 31st pick of each round, significantly devaluing the trade. We on the other hand think we are giving up late round picks for Darnold and CJ Henderson and Young, but they all end up top 5 or so picks. We are one of the worst drafting and trading teams around.

I didn’t watch but as an Aaron Jones fantasy owner, the lack of dump offs was astounding. I’m not sure it’s just Darnold because Jones and Akers had 6 total targets and 3 of those were on the last two drives late in the 4th quarter. Seems like O’Connell is adverse to calling screen plays. I always thought that screens were meant to slow down the rush. If your RBs have 3 targets for less than 10 yards before the game is actually over, it seems like you are playing into the hands of the defense. If you don’t normally run screens at all, probably harder for Darnold to become a dump off guy. Just my two cents since Darnold did have 5 full games with CMC (he was hurt in game of 2 others) and they connected for 35 receptions in those 5 games. He did only have DJ and Chosen to throw to the rest of the time but we certainly game planned to throw to CMC and the Vikings clearly weren’t targeting RBs until the end when it was already over.

They actually have a solid very young DL that’s improving every week since Verse/Fiske are rookies. The Rams drafting has been amazing the last few years, the type of results we only dream about. Unfortunately, that 2nd we picked up from the Rams that we thought early in the season would be similar to ours is not pick 25-32 and quite a bit worse than the pick Chicago owns.

I think TMac and the Tackles are going to be the BPAs at our pick. I see the two QBs and Hunter, Graham, Carter and Johnson being the top 6. Unfortunately, even if 1 of them fall, I think the Jets will steal that player.

I’m not so sure about that. We tend to overrate our guys. I don’t blame him for taking as much as he can get but that article says nothing about him having a ton of interest. It’s basically from his side and likely his agent trying to drum up interest in him. All that said, this is another example of us being bad drafters. We take project WRs over solid to stud OL and long snappers/tiny QBs over day 3 OL that have started elsewhere. Now that we have a ton of day 3 picks we better be shooting tons of shots at lineman, O or D.

I saw a Panthers article about what we could have done in the draft like McConkey and then Sainristil, but what hurt was seeing Beaux slimmer instead of Wade in the 6th. I didn’t realize Limmer went that late because I remember Huddle folks mentioning him as later (not 2nd like Frazier) center and we still avoided him that late like Trey Smith a few years ago for a long snapper. It’s truly sad to look at our last few drafts and how good they could have been if the Huddle did our draft.

That’s our MO. We drafted a risky torn ACL in the 2nd as the 1st RB drafted when the 2025 RB draft class is loaded and deep. A healthy Brooks might be a 3rd rounder in 2025 and we took him in 2024 knowing he might not even play in 2024 which makes the not looking ahead at the 2025 RB class all that much more idiotic. I know our finish and Young were way better than expected but we really need honest to goodness good drafts. While we won two OT games in the last 4 games, we also lost 30-14 and 48-14 in the other two games. We can’t have another feel good draft where we tell ourselves that Legette, Brooks, Wallace and Sanders might be OK someday. I’d bet good money that there aren’t many, if any, teams that would trade their top 4 picks for our top 4 in this past draft.

Remember we made fun of Rhule’s wife picking Hubbard because she liked him. Rhule was very familiar with Hubbard so you are right, I doubt he had much to do with the 2021 draft. Chuba ran for 173 and 2 TDs against Rhule’s last Baylor team.

Might be. I am pleasantly surprised by his turnaround from week 2 to when he got back in the lineup. I'm ecstatic that he played well enough that we won’t waste draft capital on another QB in this meh class. We can see how he looks in 2025 to see if DCs will take him more seriously and solve for him with all the video. I’m just glad he looks decent and we can focus on the D that was the worst scoring D in NFL history.

His stats were decent but that’s not surprising given the fact that Legette led the team in WR snaps (50% more than Coker and Thielen) and led the team in targets, 84 compared to 46 and 62. He was not nearly as effective as Coker and Thielen. He had 5.9 yards per target to their 10.4 and 9.9. The only WR he was more effective than was Mingo. Again, as a rookie, you expect some of that but I think the disappointment was from the key drops and his body catching. He needs to improve on that and hopefully he can but McConkey had no concerns about his hands and quickness/separation. Legette was a little disappointing and McConkey was exactly what his draft fans were hoping he would be, a QBs best friend. Based on watching the Texans-Chargers game, I highly doubt the Chargers make the playoffs if MConkey isn’t their pick.