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And CMC or at least the late 2nd (best pick). Really, it was Bryce and DJ Johnson for 2024 2nd, 2023 pick 9, 2024 pick 1, DJ Moore and CMC. That’s the complete trade. Lol at how stupid Fitterer was. We’d have contending talent if we’d just traded Burns to the Rams and sat tight for Maye or Williams in 2024. I mean you see the Bears winning the much tougher NFC North and the Pats winning the AFC East and we’d have CMC for fun. Jalen Carter next to Brown and Verse for Burns, etc. God forbid we didn’t go XL and Brooks in 2024 and got McConkey to go with Tet/Coker and got Frazier as our stud C. It was all there laid out for us to dominate the NFCS for a decade. We just said nah, let’s do it the hard way.

Feels longer.

And dropped Interception in Seattle’s red zone (already in FG range).

I will correct you on the destroyed by Seattle. That playoff run and end of regular season at the tone for our young OL to gel and got us much needed playoff experience going into that fun 2015 season. Back to destroyed, don’t forget that we were down by 14, but had the ball at the Seattle 10. Cam threw the 90 pick six and we scored again to lose by 14. We were 10 yards from a TD that was a 14 point swing in a 31-17 loss. Scoreboard looked bad but we had a nice long drive that ended up in 7 Seattle points instead of 7 Panthers points. No pick and it’s a possible OT/close loss.

Yes, a horse tackle collar. I’m talking about Jaycee doing the same lazy tackle on JSN earlier in the game. The announcers saw it and it wasn’t called. He only did the facemask on the tackle he got penalized on. Also, who cares about Jackson dropping interceptions in other games. You said Horn had a good game. He didn’t and was absolutely a huge reason for us losing today just like he had multiple bad plays against NO that cost us the game at home. I don’t know if we would have won this game but he cost us a minimum of 6 points when we were only down by 7 and we would have had the ball. No dropped INT and we might have only needed a FG to tie (could have gone for 2).

He could have been called with PI on Kupp in the end zone and he dropped an easy interception in Seattle’s red zone. He had a facemask and horse collar against JSN earlier. Thats just lazy tackling or forcing a guy out. He has not played a good game. Jackson has been effective on JSN and Horn has given up receptions and penalties. Did you argue that he had a good game against NO at home too?

2nd game he’s going to be the reason why we lose. Jackson covering JSN better.

That and the dropped interception. He lost the NO game at home as well. Jackson is the man guy on Evans and JSN and Horn is just losing games.

It’s infuriating to watch.

I compared the 2024 class with their rookie stats. Apples to apples. We’ve had a ton of rookies play a ton of minutes since Rhule. Every single year, someone says the same thing about how much rookies contribute. I said this class has 1 impact guy and is still our second best draft class of the 2020s, which unfortunately isn’t saying a ton. I like the class for our depth but we are acting like we got 10 contributors versus some decent depth plus Tet. Scourton may get there and I hope he does but there’s no one else I can point to that moves our needle. Look at Mitchell Evans at TE. He has 161 yards. Ian Thomas has 333 yards as a rookie. Tremble had 180. Sanders had 342. If Scourton elevates next year to be closer to say a Verse then this draft class gets a lot better. If not, it’s another meh draft with a marquee guy selected top 10 and depth that’s better than past recent drafts.

Outside of Tet, we’ve gotten minimal contributions over average drafts. We’ve got a potential OROY in Tet, but would it surprise you that the 2024 rookie WRs/TEs have more yards (1327 and 7 TDs) than the 2025 class (1169 and 9 TDs) for far less draft capital? I love Tet and he’s been huge but let’s not act like the rookie class outside of pick 8 has been driving the win total. Scourton has done decent but the impact of CSW and Wallace is similar to Ransom and Scourton but again we used far more draft capital this year. It’s nice to see more depth but the key measure to me is getting 2-3 average or better NFL starters, and right now that’s just Tet. If Scourton gets there, the draft is better in my eyes but the only other draftee that might have a chance is Ransom but he may a wee bit overrated in here because he caught a ball Mayfield threw right to him. Made the play but is he still replacement level?

No, not you. If you look at my post time, there was another thread on the rookie class between your post and mine. Same praise as two weeks prior and they’ve posted almost word for word matches to other articles on Panthers related sites with no credit. Posting the same content after every win is annoying and posting about the same topic (rookie class) just clutters. You had interesting content, other thread added nothing and got more posts.

My son and I had great seats for the Bryce scramble/Sanders TD and the game ending interception. It was awesome but damn it if the loss to NO didn’t hit harder knowing we would have clinched at the game.

I wasn’t thinking 8+. I’m still critical of our GM, DC and QB but we’ve won big games and we’ve got a good chance at the playoffs. Way more than expected but just my pet peeve that I still get annoyed like we are all set and all’s good. The AFC North is the only other division where we’d be close (1 game back) and we needed Tampa to fall apart (1-6) to get in this win the division chance in week 18. Job isn’t close to done and the current crew needs to improve a lot to get us to SB contender.

Umm, no. 2017 was way better. CMC, Moton, Samuel and Butker. Heck, 2021 with Horn, Tremble, Hubbard and Christensen was probably better. 2025 seems solid because 2018-2024 were poo with maybe one good player each year. These praise threads are kind of funny. We have a solid win and they show up, literally the exact same poster and content. Not after the bad losses like NO. In case no one’s remembering, we have had rookie impact/starters since Rhule came to town. It’s more a factor of losing all our strong vets from CMC to Cam to Moore to Olsen to Luke to TD to Short, even Reddick and Luvu and many more. Dressing a lot of rookies has been happening for years because we had really bad starters and bad depth for a while now. It’s nice to seen some plays from Scourton but let’s not act like TMac isn’t our only impact rookie. Right now, if we look at players who are at least average NFL players and TMac is it. We had 5 rookies who started games last year and the undrafted one is the only one I could see developing into an average WR2. Scourton may get there but right now the 2025 draft isn’t some panacea, it’s a good draft for depth. If we really want to compete we need to get 2-3 impact starters every year.