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It was fine when we won but he was probably too player friendly and lost a SB because he just let the players do their thing instead of having a real plan to win the game. Also, after 2017, he had nothing. The players quit on him two years in a row. You could see it in the 1-15 finishes. The players quit.

It’s simple. Win and everyone in here will say the culture is good. Dear lord the amount of time spent on these posts is hysterical. We’ve seen the end of season swoons where you can tell the team had given up with many of the same leaders that took us to playoff seasons. When your OL is decimated by injuries, it’s amazing how fast culture turns. When you get on a tear like 2015, everyone’s having fun. You need the right people regardless, but they have to win.

We’ve started the last 2 seasons 1-13. You’d think with so many rookies assumed to be getting significant playing time the past couple of years that we would get them as many snaps as possible. A guy like Moton doesn’t need the snaps but Young did. Young didn’t have a 200+ yard game with no INTs until week 16 in 2023 and week 12 in 2024. The young guys need reps. 1-13 isn’t worth keeping our offense a secret until we start the season. I don’t recall a single good reason for us to act like we were an experienced playoff team the past two years.

Probably one of the biggest reasons the hopium in here goes bad so quickly. The optimists forget that we need the young guys to step up just to have a better starting lineup. Then you throw in our lack of quality depth in with some injuries and you get the 2-5 win Panthers. Brown hurt for the year and we are a historically bad defense. We have so many vulnerable spots where 1 or 2 injuries would turn that spot from OK to terrible. Injuries happen and Fitterer suck so bad that he not only didn’t get quality starters, he shredded our depth.

Far apart means expensive, not a chance. I didn’t like Horn’s contract because I don’t think he’s proven to be the top CB salary wise (at the time) and even in his 2 healthy years he still missed 6 games. That said, Horn at least is coming off his most healthy season and is 25 whereas Jaire has missed 10 games in each of the past two years and is 28.

Yep. No thanks unless he’s crazy cheap. Based on the last 4 years, even if you make the crazy assumption that they were both healthy on the exact same weeks, they could have only played together 29 out of 68 games. Amazingly enough, Jaire is more fragile now. Again, only way I’d want him is if he wants to give the team a home town discount for 1-2 years to prove he can stay healthy and get another deal like Gilmore.

All the Florida fans I know thought he was terrible. When he went 4th, it was pretty shocking. When healthy he’s a solid fantasy QB, not an NFL one. Some might point to his starting record as 8-7, but if you dig in a little bit it’s almost comical: When Richardson has 12 or less passes (i.e. he got hurt in game): Colts 4-0 (2 of 4 wins were playoff teams) When Richardson plays the game (19 to 38 passes): Colts 4-7 (0 of 4 wins were playoff teams)

Lol. Now you make me defend DG. We had the best IOL in the league under DG and Oher looked solid until he got that bad concussion. DG drafted Moton and Daryl Williams as well. The OL fell apart under Hurney 2.0 and Fitterer. DG also drafted Star and Short. Sorry, but that was all in 5 drafts so let’s not make stuff up about not trying to improve hog mollies. Gettleman did a ton wrong and took the wrong guys, but he and Rivera had a deep and talented team and it got blown up really quickly. Also, I love Cam but he wasn’t the best QB in the league. He had the best year in 2015 but he wasn’t Brady. I think Dan has had a solid offseason, way better than last year but I’m not putting on rose colored glasses until we actually have a 10 win season. Again, Dave and Ron had 3 10+ wins seasons out of 5.

Right, basically what I said. Dude is crowning Dan after a 5-12 season and 1 draft, which as of right now, wasn’t good. I wasn’t judging Morgan at all. People read what they want to read like that I loved Gettleman and think he was awesome. Nope. All I said is that it’s way too freaking early to act like Morgan is amazing. I used the Gettleman/Rivera record just like I mentioned that Rhule almost beat both #1 seeds in this first year. Morgan/Canales’ team would need to win 11 a year to get to a similar record as Gettleman/Rivera’s first 5. If you are going to given Morgan a pass for bad talent, we were 15-33 the 3 years prior to Gettleman/Rivera. Again, I think all of us want this team to win again but maybe I’m a little jaded in thinking that I enjoyed 2013-2017 a helluva a lot more than 2018-2024 and I’m not a fan of smoke getting blown up my ass like we have already back.

SMH. We have one 5-12 season and no playoffs under our belt. Gettleman was here for 5 off-seasons with Rivera. The team went to the playoffs 4 of 5 years, were in a SB and had a 51-28 record. Do I think DG was amazing? No, he made a ton of mistakes but acting like Morgan is amazing is ridiculous, even for your rose colored glasses. It’s hard to really praise Gettleman but we didn’t have a single season as bad as last year under him. One 5-12 season is not a king maker. Let’s get 1 winning record before declaring the GOAT GM. I’d love nothing better to call Dan Morgan the greatest GM ever but he basically needs 4 straight 11 win seasons to match the 51 wins in 5 years under Gettleman and Ron.

Lol man. You are a bit premature here. First, have we ever really had a great front office? Second, all we know so far is a pretty poor 2024 draft base on the results and a 5 win season. I don’t care about the close wins. Rhule almost beat both the #1 playoff seeds in his first year and had us talking playoff seeds after week 4 in his second year. I like Dan’s second draft way better but how about we get a winning season before we crown Dan as some amazing GM? We did see a lot of Fitterer in the 2024 draft and his being the right hand man for maybe the worst GM in history was why many of us wanted a fresh start. Dan’s Miami and Panther career means nothing if the team doesn’t improve and become a playoff team. Also, take a bit of a chill pill. No one is actively rooting against him now. He’s the GM now so we want to see him have the best drafts in NFL history and win 3 SBs in a row. Doesn’t matter anymore if we didn’t want Scott Jr. as the GM. Just can’t crown a guy after 5-12 yet. Lots of people who thought Fitterer was good too.

lol. I’m hoping Bryce becomes Tom Brady and Johnathan Brooks becomes Barry Sanders. I’m feeling 4000-30TD+ Teddy B vibes or 1000-8TD+ TMJ projections. Hoping XL and TMac turn into a fringe HOFer and a first ballot HOFer is crazy talk. I don’t know if it’s the haven’t had a winning season since 2017 or never having back to back winning seasons, but this place is comical when it comes to the overrating of our players.

To be fair, the UDFAs being discussed at the start are the top UDFAs who get the largest guaranteed numbers. A quick google found an article from 2016 saying that 20% of the 500+ UDFAs made the week 1 roster. 2-3 per team. The top UDFAs draws are thinking mainly about team fits to make the roster where salaries dwarf the $250k. The non-top UDFAs are happy to chase the money and just want a shot, but those guys weren’t part of the original discussion about the highest guarantees being paid out.

And why did we offer him the most money? Because our WRs sucked and he and his agent knew it. Agents aren’t going to say no, but making the team as a UDFA isn’t akin to lottery odds as you said and he and his agent got $1.8M in OTAs. That was their goal. $225k is peanuts compared to Coker’s likely lifelong Panthers income and if he went to a team with a stocked WR corps for $250k, he would have screwed up. I don’t know why this is even up for debate. His agent got him $1.8M over 2 years by OTAs because it was the easiest roster for a good UDFA WR to make. All things equal, take the extra $20k if offered but our situation is absolutely why he signed here not an extra $20-40k. Having an easy road to $1.8M (and more) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new Camry.

Lol, that is so wrong. “The money” as you said is under $100k difference. Coker’s agent got him a $1.8M extension during OTAs. Below’s a quote I found. It’s dark, but it says 20%, not exactly lottery odds. Not all last the whole year but each team is still adding a couple/few every year. For “good” UDFAs, they will take the money but they are 100% going to teams where they think they can make the roster. Making the roster is life changing money. In 2016, 117 of 590 undrafted free agents (19.8 percent) made a Week 1 roster or injured reserve, and another 125 (21.2 percent) made a practice squad, according to the NFL Players Association.