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Agreed. Not sure how a guy who’s been on 3+ teams during his rookie deal somehow makes us loaded at WR. Let’s just say that both of XL’s years with us are way better than any season Metchie has ever had. He’s not even a JAG based on his career so far. He’s a complete bust so far. Even Mingo and Marshall have 1 year in their career that’s better than all of Metchie’s years.

Did we ever actually determine his cost? Can’t imagine that $18.5 number was right for his awful performance.

IOL that early isn’t good value at all. We have a LT who might not ever be good again and a RT that might retire soon. T seems deep early in this draft, so I’d go there in the 1st.

There’s a lot of later round QBs that had disappointing 2025 seasons (this draft and maybe next). I really hope we are looking at those guys. Could be cheap backups and if you grab the right one, maybe a future starter. I’m worried, like you, that we’ll extend Young. I’m sorry, but outside of the Rams games, he’s still not the guy and the Rams went all out in FA to find multiple CBs as that was their weak link.

No kidding. Why do we always sign FAs coming off major injuries. Torn Achilles followed by a torn ACL. Pre injuries, he looked solid so hopefully the injuries are behind him and he can play well. We just don’t seem to do well with players we think are now healthy.

The problem is it wasn’t convoluted. It was simple. If you know you are starting over in 2023 with a rookie QB, you plan your trades properly. We weren’t a good team and almost everyone could see that. You don’t try to go for it with a QB you plan to let go of and you build up assets instead of mortgaging the team on a physically limited QB. Our biggest issue since Marty 2.0 is that we refuse to look ahead and plan an actual long term strategy. It’s killed us. If we played the 2022 trade season properly and traded away anyone who’d get us a pick, the 2025 Panthers would have had a team with multiple additional 1st round picks and other picks and we actually could have gone even further. Nothing convoluted in that.

Trade up for Bryce would have been fine if we decided to go for a QB. Trade Burns to Rams. Trade Moore to GB for the 1st they offered. Trade away anyone else with a pulse and we have plenty of trade ammo and we also likely don’t finish with 7 wins and thus don’t have to trade up or just a small jump. The problem was that we tried to do both and had no real concept and so we got poo for CMC, Moore and Burns and also had to jump all the way from 9. Comedy of errors. Fitterer literally did everything wrong.

I forgot about Mays, but suffice it to say Seattle invested in their OL and it paid off with 4 starters on rookie deals. Spending a 1st on a desperate need and 2 day 3 picks in 4 drafts is why we had to pay a ton and still be paper thin to injuries and potential FA loss.

They also have a stud LT and have drafted 10 OL in the past 4 drafts. We drafted Iky and Zavala. They drafted two 1st rounders, both of whom were foundational starters on the SB winning team. It doesn’t matter how much you spend if you drafted 4 starting OL on your SB winning team in 4 drafts. We had to pay a ton for our OL because instead of drafted 2.5 OL every year including half your 1st round picks, we decided Iky and Zavala in 4 drafts was enough investment.

I don’t recall him saying that. I do recall when he was a rookie/2nd year that he said he was working to know the entire OL. That said, that was a long time ago and at this point, moving him around seems counterproductive. It’s not 2018 or 2019 when it seemed to make sense and he played well at LT when he had to do so due to injuries. This is Moton’s 10th year, no point. We need to draft multiple tackles at this point with no idea how Iky comes back in 2027.

I think it’s more by design. Run first offenses likely block more at TE but right now the WRs we have are just better than our TEs. Kmet is not Olsen, so he’d more than likely just slide into the targets we already don’t have much of right now. Young threw for 3011 yards. While it was 21st, it was dead last among players that started all year. The guys behind him are rookies who didn’t start all year or guys who were injured or guys who took over for an injured starter. When your team throws it less than any other team, Kmet is a waste of time and money unless he’s an amazing blocker. Tmac and Coker should dominate targets and XL/TEs/RBs split up the rest. We shouldn’t spend a high pick on a TE or spend a lot of FA $$$s.

Yep. Pisses me off knowing in 3 years we’ve drafted Zavala and nothing else. Go back 6 years and Iky is the main draft capital with BC, Zavala and fat Deonte Brown, who also was drafted before Trey Smith. There were dozens of OL we discussed in here and wanted to draft and our GMs did nothing and now that one key injury means we are now in trouble at C and both T spots.

Tremble is in an offense that doesn’t run a ton of TE routes and frankly doesn’t throw the ball much. What I was trying to show is that Kmet only has better stats because he has 399 targets to 168 targets for Tremble. There’s a reason why Loveland was drafted and took over as the starter. Kmet is just a guy and isn’t much more productive per target than Tremble. He doesn’t improve us if he comes here and is barely noticeable only getting 40-50 targets. Do you think he’ll get more targets than our WRs in a run first offense? Can he even run block well?

No he’s not. Look at this actual production. Is he getting anywhere near 90 targets with us? Kmet’s career is 288-2939 and 21 TDs on 399 targets. Tremble (the definition of meh) has 112-1031 and 11 TDs on 168 targets. Prorated to 399 targets, Tremble has 266-2448 and 26 TDs. Kmet isn’t making us much better at all. We just don’t use TEs that much and we don’t throw the ball overall as much. Kmet isn’t Greg Olsen.

Why? Feels like we got a whole TE crew of almost Kmets. Loveland surpassed Kmet easy and relegated Kmet to Tremble like stats. Kmet’s decent years were because of volume. Kmet had over 90 targets twice in his career. Tremble’s career high in targets is 37. Tremble could produce Kmet numbers with the same volume so why would you ever go for Kmet? Loveland or Bowers type studs, go for it. Meh TEs, we’ve got plenty.