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Calling it - the Bryce Young trade is the worst in team history
Hogan replied to TN05's topic in Carolina Panthers
As I posted above, the way the Panthers COULD have had the top pick is to make it contingent. Make the trade and make the 2024 pick contingent. "If we are in the top five, we keep it and give you our 2025 pick." -
Calling it - the Bryce Young trade is the worst in team history
Hogan replied to TN05's topic in Carolina Panthers
Just curious... Most people will admit that no one has any idea who will go from college to NFL and be a "transcendent" QB. Except you. Some how, you know that Williams WITHOUT question will be better than Drake Maye in the NFL. I also remember you posting this summer that Justin Fields would have a breakout year in '23. This leads to: What will Chicago do? Pass on generational QB Williams and keep generational QB Fields? How do you know these things when virtually no one can predict who will be a great NFL QB? -
Calling it - the Bryce Young trade is the worst in team history
Hogan replied to TN05's topic in Carolina Panthers
I spoke with someone in the Panther organization last week and asked about the trade. We all know that DJ Moore was a deal breaker. Chicago had to have Moore to make the trade. But...my question was this: Was the 2024 1st round pick a deal breaker? Explanation: Did Fitterer even ATTEMPT to make the 2024 pick contingent? Like, "IF our 2024 pick is a top five pick, we will keep it and give you our 2025 first round pick." This is done all the time. My guess is: Since the Panthers thought they would be good in '23, they didn't even mention this. This person stressed that DJ Moore was the deal breaker. I in turn stressed that it's time for a new GM. -
And...it doesn't take a brain surgeon to draft and develop a solid offensive line over a period of 3/4 years. It can be done...IF the GM knows what he is doing. The single most important position group on any team. It keeps the offense on the field and the defense off the field.
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Just curious: Why don't people use the word "screw" any more? You know, like "Screw it." And also "crap." Like "that was a bunch of crap." I don't think I'll ever get used to grown men using the word "poo."
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Panthers GMs Draft History After Round 1 (Analysis)
Hogan replied to Jay Roosevelt's topic in Carolina Panthers
How about Brandon Beane. I'm sure he's ready to come back to North Carolina. You really think he wants to live in that cold weather? Tepper should offer him a promotion. Isn't that how it's done in the NFL. To get someone from another team, it has to be a promotion. Make him President/GM. Pay him. -
Panthers GMs Draft History After Round 1 (Analysis)
Hogan replied to Jay Roosevelt's topic in Carolina Panthers
From my memory, the majority or large number of the 2003 Super Bowl team were Seifert's guys. -
Panthers GMs Draft History After Round 1 (Analysis)
Hogan replied to Jay Roosevelt's topic in Carolina Panthers
"Overall though, the calling card for Fitt was Seattle was able to develop and hit on players that were taken on Day 2, 3, or UDFA (Richard Sherman, Bobby Wagner, Kam Chancellor, Doug Baldwin, etc.)" Are you saying Fitt was responsible for drafting Sherman, Wagner, Chancellor, Baldwin, etc.? -
Kyle Bailey says Tepper isnt happy, wants changes now.
Hogan replied to CPF4LIFE's topic in Carolina Panthers
Under your name it says "Rookie." You should keep that one. First, you had time to do the math. Now, this response. Get a life. -
Kyle Bailey says Tepper isnt happy, wants changes now.
Hogan replied to CPF4LIFE's topic in Carolina Panthers
Well, your limb broke. Correct, I didn't have to pay $40, 960 because, as friends, we laughed it off and said, "who wouldn't thunk..." The story is true. It never ceases to amaze me how people feel like they need to offer an opinion on something they know nothing about. That said, my comment has nothing to do with "relaxing." I'm a reealist. There's no emition on my end. This is a very bad football team. They may not win one game. As far as Bryce, my assessment has nothing to do with him. -
Kyle Bailey says Tepper isnt happy, wants changes now.
Hogan replied to CPF4LIFE's topic in Carolina Panthers
"LOL we're not going to go winless." In 1972, when I was in high school, a friend and I had a $5 bet on the Colts-Dolphins game. The Dolphins won. So, he let me go double-or-nothing bets the rest of the season because..."no way will the Dolphins go undefeated..." And the rest, as they say, is history. I said Week 1 during the Atlanta game: "This team could go 0-17." Don't kid yourself Joe. They very well could go winless. They are that bad. -
My response: Then no one should EVER offer an opinion about a college QB and how they will do in the NFL. Why? Because no one -- and I mean NO ONE -- knows how ANY college QB will do in the NFL. So, shut down any thread that offers a take on how a college QB will do in the NFL. Why? Because, as you say, "it's a stupid exercise." Right? Actually, it isn't a "stupid exercise." It's called: Offering an opinion and simply having fun in offering that opinion. Discussing football, uh, isn't really that serious. We're not offering an opinion about how we can attain lasting peace in the Middle East.
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True. My mistake. The Panthers traded their 2023 and 2024 1st round picks and DJ Moore for Bryce Young. Three good players for Young. Was that a good trade? I guess time will tell. I guess the Panther front office believed the 2024 pick wouldn't be very high so it was a good trade. Unfortunately for them, it's looking like it will likely be the first pick in the draft. Oops.
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Sadly, I have it from a good source that Tepper really does care and wants to succeed. I was told this last winter during the coaching search. So, he listened. He really did. And that's why he fired Wilks. So he could hire an offensive minded coach. So, he does care and wants to succeed. The bad news is he is going to "succeed" HIS way. Meaning, he will be CEO/President and continue to hire guys like Fitterer. And guys like Fitterer will answer to Tepper, NOT a seasoned football man. So, yes, he cares. But, he will always be hands on. That's why he bought the team. Because he wants to RUN an NFL franchise. Not just OWN the team. But RUN the team. Be President and CEO. He believes he can build a successful, winning NFL franchise. He truly believes that. I am a native Charlottean. I bought season tickets the first day they went on sale for the Hornets in 1986. And I bought PSLs for the Panthers when they first became available in 1993. And because of David Tepper, I too, hope he just moves the team to another city. I'd rather not have a team than have a "Donald Sterling," or "Daniel Snyder," or "Ted Stepian," or "Robert Irsey," or "Bill Bidwell" run things.
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Many years ago I did an article for Charlotte Magazine on the NFL coming to Charlotte. This was like 1990. What I found was, when you take in Columbia, Greensboro, Raleigh/Durham as a television market (which, for NFL purposes, you can), the Charlotte market was Number 4. Due to the growth in the past 30 years, it's even larger now.
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I said two years ago when watching Darnold: Whoever watched him play in New York and decided to spend draft picks on him should be fired. And, apparently, that person was Rhule and he was fired...eventually. I'll say the same thing now, two years later: Whoever watched Bryce Young and decided he was worth TWO first round draft picks and D.J. Moore should be fired. I'm truly not knocking Young. I'm knocking the Front Office. I simply don't see anything in his game that leads me to say he will be a great QB in the NFL. Not an elite arm. Not elite accuracy. Not elite speed. Does that mean he will be a total bust? No. It really boils down to what are your expectations. I think it's fair to say give him time. I think it's fair to say with the right coaching and talent around him, OL, he could become a good NFL QB. Great? I don't see it. But...was he worth giving away the the 2024 first round draft pick...when you knew Williams and Maye were going to be in the draft in 2024? I don't think so.
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Jones was smart enough to realize, initially, he needed a football guy and he got Jimmy Johnson. And won three Super Bowls. That kind of success will NEVER happen with Tepper. Tepper wouldn't know a football guy if he crawled up his leg and bit him on his d***.
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I've been watching and studying football for nearly 60 years. First, I ask: How can you be so sure? Here is my concern. I have not seen one thing in three games that made me say "Wow." Now, in evaluating someone, you don't have to say"Wow!" a lot. Just an occasional "Wow." When you are the first pick in the draft and the organization mortgaged to farm on you, there should some "Wows." Some plays where you say, "I get it." There haven't been. Bryce Young does not have elite accuracy. He does not have a strong arm. He doesn't seem to have elite speed nor quickness. All we've heard since January is how smart he is. But...I have yet to see a "Wow" play. Not one. I agree. He has no weapons. But still...if he had the "It" factor, wouldn't we have seen a spark of it in the first three games?
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He should do the right thing and resign...tonight.
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I know there are those who have said this. Is this true?
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"Nope" what? Rhule was up giving everyone high fives when Ekwonu fell to #6. The video made it very clear that Ekwonu was Rhule's guy. So, you're saying he wasn't? How do you know this? Did you talk to Rhule and Fitterer about the pick? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I read too much into Rhule giving everyone high fives and throwing a party in the War Room. Please, tell us what happened behind the scenes.
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Explain.
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Maybe the draft was but not that pick. Did you not see the video in the Panthers' War Room of Rhule when the pick was made?