Bear Hands

7 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Someone punched it up pretty good. Thanks to the mod that did. 

I was just surprised this didn't exist in the main board yet.

Found some guys public google drive that’s been collecting it - surprised google sheets pasted in here better than their word app

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Understandably so.

I haven’t looked into Amos as much but know Porter has been getting the post combine buzz. Their sheets and reports read like real possible outside corners. Would be nice to snag one. So many needs, whatever these guys think is the best fit/player available combo. Just hope they can identify the good ones. 

19 minutes ago, Icege said:

Gotta see what the team does in free agency first!

Though looking at this upcoming free agency class does give us some info on what might happen. For example, the TE market is so thin that Tremble is under consideration to be brought back depending on what other teams offer him. Safety, on the other hand, has some really good players out there. There are a bunch of former Pro Bowl WRs also available, though once the top guys are gone the class gets MUCH thinner.

I cannot WAIT for all of the activity starting next Monday when the legal tampering period starts.

FA will predicate everything and change every mock projection (usually why I don't like waisting my time on mocks too hard quite yet).  

I think the top-3 is near lock (Ward, Carter, Hunter) regardless of FA, but then it's wide open. 

For example, NE has a ton of money to spend.  If they land, let's say Ronnie Stanley/an LT and a DL, their selection and entire draft gets reshaped.  Maybe a sneaky Jeanty landing spot.

Amos CB, Mbow OL and Porter CB are interesting ones.  All have buzz, could be 57 territory.  

From interviews and this list, seem somewhat focused on DB as much as the front-7.  

He may be done - he had some crazy sciatica and other issues.  He's been injured every other week for like 3 years.  

I think we got a bit of a deal with Lewis but no doubt overpaid to land Hunt.  This year will be telling if it paid off/if this can somehow be a competitive team/sniff the wildcard race.

Teams are starting to covet IOLs as much as OTs with how the game is these days.  

Well one thing's for sure, JSN's fantasy stock is to the moon

Dan & Dave know him quite well...this could have real legs

13 minutes ago, Icege said:

I liked him at Bama and love his scheme versatility. He's quick enough to play in a zone scheme but also gets enough drive to work power. Really high on his ability to recognize blitzes and stunts (that latter one being a sore spot for Panthers' fans the last cpl of seasons T_T)

Oooh, I haven't checked out LeQuint Allen at all and I've still gotta watch Tyleik Williams. Might try and sneak in some of them in today when I hit this three hour stretch of meetings @ 1pm...

I'm being a bit delinquent today during Teams calls today too haha.    

Noticed Allen watching McCord.  He's nice.  Strong pass catcher who could come in and not really take away from Chuba.  But also fill in if needed.  

-a quick edit/add-

For Tyleik, I already like him and then heard there's a lot of quiet buzz and he's been interviewing super well (forgot where but it was yesterday) Seems like a guy teams don't want to let out they are coveting.  

Great thread.  For me:

QB: Kyle McCord

RB: RJ Harvey, Brashard Smith, LeQuint Allen (love for us)

TE: Tyler Warren, Mason Taylor

WR: Matthew Golden, Jaylin Noel, Jaylen Royals

OL: Campbell, Wyatt Milum, Marus Mbow, Luke Kandra

EDGE/OLB: Ezeiruaku (love), JT Tuimoloau, Bradyn Swinson, Princely

DL: Grant, Harmon, Tyleik Williams (awesome fit IMO), Farmer, Norman-Lott

LB: Jalon Walker, Barrett Carter

DB: Xavier Watts, Darien Porter, Dorian Strong

K: Caden Davis 

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@Icege I like your McLaughlin shout out.  He had a bad injury so may have a delay to start, but he's a legit NFL center.

28 minutes ago, Mother Grabber said:

the thing about edge to me is who gaf when the opponent can run up the middle for 6-7 every play. we need inside defense before rushing the passer really matters much. yes, we’ll get Brown back, and he will help a lot, but we still need more beef in the middle to wall up the DL or the rest is just window dressing.

I agree in terms of priority.  It's why I've been been a big fan of Grant, Tyleik, & Harmon.  This was just a more EDGE specific look. 

I'll probably do a "my guys" thread but, but a glimpse at those:

EZ OLB, Harmon DE, Tyleik NT/DE, Mason Taylor TE, Xavier Watts S, Milum OT

1 hour ago, ncfan said:

Walker

im not going to overthink it.  Just turn in the film, he really impacts a lot of plays.

He’s shown the bend and ability to be a pass rusher off the edge despite not playing it full time.

Is he small, yes.
 So was another guy that came out of Georgia who was similar size.  He played Edge rusher and LB.   Teams over thought things when he came out as well and let him slide right down to Philly’s lap.   Now he was an impact starter on this years Super Bowl winning defense

I don't dislike Walker.  Would be happy with the pick but with that comes expectations-- which is IMO a more NFL-ready version of Nolan Smith (which I think you're alluding to).  That being said, Smith hasn't lit the world on fire yet.  Made great strides this year though.      

52 minutes ago, Sloth said:

The JPJ character concerns thing is weird and not going away. lol WalterFootball, but they also continue to put that out there, even more so post-combine:

https://walterfootball.com/draft2025stock_25.php

talent-wise, I think he’s edge2 but who knows what’s up with the smoke.

Nice link- Tyleik my man, word may get out on him.  Best run-d talent and at arguably are most important area of need.  

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Williams has not gotten the media attention he deserves, as there are a lot of NFL evaluators who really like him. Some have him as a potential late first-rounder, and he is unlikely to get out of the second round. Williams was superb in the field drills at the combine, showing quickness, agility, and power in a large body. This combine performance verifies what Williams put on tape with the Buckeyes.

2 minutes ago, Icege said:

I am here for any and all Donovan Ezeiruaku propaganda.

Dude's tape was even more fun than Tyler Warren's to watch.

He was a guy that was so damn fun during the season and you could just see "it".  Then you watch highlights and it's like, yeah damn, he's good. 

My thinking is starting to be -- if we're seriously considering these guys like Mykel, Shemar, then we absolutely should consider Ez. Especially if everyone is true in thinking there's only 2 blue chips, a few more 1st round talent and then a big ole' pool of fringe 1st/2nd types.  

He has a great move-set, counters, is a legit technician rushing the QB.  His run defense is not bad at all though people will point to his size and say it could cause a detriment...but he's not really THAT undersized by any means.   People will look at the height/weight and think he's an outlier, Micah/Parson/esque, but the dude has 34" arms.  He's not a shrimp, not to mention the top 3-cone, top 20 shuttle in his class. 

His frame is more like Turner, Verse, WA Jr. IMO.  He's a guy if you draft him, you instantly boost your pass rush.  There's no question marks there.  There are flaws with pretty much everyone after Carter, why not take the most polished pass rusher?   

11 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

When I mock, which we all know it has become the gold standard, I struggle to select an edge in round 1, and that was BEFORE I considered the character red flags concerning Pearce and Green.  I think, if what I have seen is true, we cannot afford risk.  You have to remove Pearce and Green from the board at the top of the first round.

I love Walker the person.  I am just not seeing the fit yet, but I do feel that the Panthers are really interested, which means that Evero could be frothing at the mouth for him.  If that is the case, I am for it.  HOW they use him is more important than his skill set, but man, I see a leader DAWG in him.  I am not on the Walker bandwagon like others on here--I envision him as an ILB who can move outside or blitz from the ILB spot.  I just don't see the whole picture, just the puzzle pieces.

I think they are looking at Edge in the second, and here is why:  We have 9 picks and I see us moving up if a guy drops.  I see Princely, Sawyer, and a few others as being the "fall back" picks, but I love Ezeiruaku.  I could see us trading back and grabbing him late in the first.  I would be elated.  Then grab a 3/4 DT/DE.

I'm not a trade up guy, but that type of one in R2 is appealing to ensure we land an impact talent.  Whether it's for a DT like Tyleik Williams, DE like Harmon, CB like Porter, or Ezeiruaku.  Sucks we don't have pick 40.  

The chart difference value to the top of the 2nd from 57 is minimum a mid 3rd.  So a bit steep, but could see a minor trade up to the 40s if a impactful talent we love if sitting there.  

57 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Darius Slayton at his projected 3 year/$37.5M contract or no one? Absolutely give me no one then. Not even a difficult decision.

I'm good with no one then.

5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

there has to be a better then this

Have you seen the FA market? It’s basically this or just don’t sign anyone. Pretty bare.

Just now, MHS831 said:

I have not looked into him as much as others.  If so, he is likely the pick.  Since Graham is probably gone, It could be down to picking SEC players from Charlotte or Salisbury.

I don’t think it’s a given Graham is gone. I for real think he could be there for us. Was catching up on the athletic pod this morning and Mays/Brugler were chatting about him for a minute. Some teams just don’t go for DL with his body type (I think it will be to their detriment)

He would just need to slip past JAX, NE and NYJ. LVR aren’t going DT. 

And JAX and NE have QBs they absolutely need to support (Campbell and Membou).

I can see it happening. 

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Pearce is going to be situational pass rusher as a rookie (with Clowney and Wonnum) and the concerns are based on his ability to hold the edge.  Green depends on the interviews and background check.

I was getting at the point that Green, Pearce and Nolen all have reported character concerns.

I’d argue Pearce can set the edge, he’s decent against the run from what I’ve seen. And not only that but metrics show it (graded in the high 80s). He can get thrown off dependent on the type of linemen but he’s much more refined as an edge setter than is let on.

I wouldn’t mind Mason Taylor in R2/3 if there (Jason Taylor’s kid). After Warren/Loveland, Taylor brings a lot of what Dave is describing and apparently teams are just smitten with him.

1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

Interesting.  I have heard both are not sold on these qbs--but this time of year, you hear everything.  They are both taking a QB, but not sure 100% yet that means at #1 or #2. In the video below, the blonde woman on the left provides "back handed" compliments that I see as negatives to Sanders in Cleveland if she represents the masses. I have heard (someone from Ohio and this was at least 2 weeks ago) that they like Will Howard and may trade the pick or take Will Howard in the second round.  These Cleveland reporters explain that dynamic at the end of this video:  

 

 Holding off the idea you hear everything this time of the year— Brugler was saying Howard had probably the toughest combine of the bunch at QB. Don’t know if he’s trending up.

25 minutes ago, Growl said:

I like both of these guys but the more I hear sensationalist commentary on James Pearce jr the more intrigued I become.

he’s the only other “clean” edge rushing prospect in this class, he comes out and destroys the combine and the immediate “leaks” are “yeah, no, not even a first rounder.”

that’s suspicious to me.

He was talked about as a possible number one overall pick coming into the season. He put up major production. He’s tremendously athletically gifted. Those guys don’t last until round 2.

in any case I just want the team to gauge his personality for themselves and not make any hive mind decisions regarding him, this is absolutely the kind of thing where we pass on him and fancy ourselves really clever up until the moment Philly runs the card in to take him at record speed. 

Yeah it’s ultimately up to the interviews for a lot of these guys (Pearce, Green, Nolen) with reported concerns. 

Same in any job, if there are concerns from prior employment and you don’t interview well to dissuade them, then it ain’t gonna land you the gig. 

I heard a report some teams are fine with Pearce and others aren’t. So it could definitely be more of a lifestyle thing outside the locker room or his attitude in general. Jordan Addison was similar. 

In a case like Green, that’s a bit different IMO because he had multiple accusations and was kicked out of a major program. But with Pearce, it’s just “concerns”. Ultimately up to the teams, and it only takes one. Let’s not make that Philly again.

13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I think it was brugler or mcshay yesterday said he may be falling to late in the 2nd because of his bad showing

He also didn’t have the best 2024. 2023 tape was first rounder work but last year was a different story. He has made some of the best highlight reel plays in CFB in his career so those seem to glow him up more than the totality of his work IMO. Allowed a very high 99.00 passer rating when targeted in 2024. Gave up some big plays throughout the year, doesn’t have the top end speed you want either.

Starks had a weird combine. Worst 3 cone in the safety class but his drills were solid. Don’t think he helped himself

Graham is a dude.  I've said before, but it doesn't take much to have him slip to us.  

Ward, Carter & Hunter are the only 3 I firmly see drafted above us.

There's 4 teams - NE, NYJ, LVR, & NYJ -- I can see him available.