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12 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I like your thinking - I'm all for Campbell also 

he’s talented. Probably out half of his rookie season with a torn labrum.

I love Noel and the Maryland kid. 

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Interested to see there's somewhat of a void of late 2nds - there's Princely, Porter, Mbow, Sanker, Parrish being a few, but there's quite a gap between those projected top-50ish and then those outside top-100s.  

We’re probably going to end up with Mykel

On 3/29/2025 at 6:57 PM, SOJA said:

Oh I'm all for a trade back if mason graham isn't there. I'd be ecstatic with that. 

 

My problem is I really can't see anyone trading up unless Jerry loses his mind for Jeanty 

Pretty much every fan base starting at the Pats pick wants to trade back lol

I would say it would take Jeanty, any OL, or maybe Shedeur not being picked by 8 to prompt a trade up. Don’t see anyone after the top 3 being THAT coveted. Especially on defense. Maybe Graham but that’s it.

2 hours ago, theinstrumental said:

Fortunately he’s dropping across pretty much all mocks and rankings that I’ve seen, and I haven’t seen any smoke lately connecting us to him. Feels like Mykel Williams is the one we have to worry about.

The thing with these types is that they need to hone their craft and advance their skillset aside from the coaches’ time. Coaching doesn’t have the extra capacity to handhold them in development and figuring out how to be an NFL level player. They need to want to develop. Especially pass rushers with the layered game that’s played in the trenches — all the small things that turn into mind battles vs OL during the course of a game (This is why I’m such an Ez fan) If there is a question mark there, I’d stay away from a DL.

Hope we’re trying to gauge that with any of these types of prospects. Do they have the mentality to get better on their own.

Pick 8 is right at the tail end of where the draft transitions from 1st round talent to a big field of higher end 2nd round talent. 

If the guy that’s left isn't in our plans at 8, then sell the damn pick before reaching please.

Like the Seattle one.

This edge class is just weird. 

EZ & Princely are leaps and bounds ahead of Mykel, Shemar, etc. from a pass rushing perspective. 

If Graham or Walker aren’t there, I really don’t know who I’d go for. WJ and Barron look more appetizing by the day. 

Wouldn’t be ideal at 8. The top of this draft kind of blows overall. It did before lying season.  Now, after the workout dust has settled, it still seems historically bad.

5 minutes ago, Icege said:

I think Harmon might just be the best 3-tech in this class

Not only that, but he has a very balanced toolset against the run and pass. Scheme versatile, real trench warrior. Very much a Steelers/Ravens target IMO. 

Has tested well to back up a strong final season at Oregon. 

Harmon and Norman-Lott fan. Think both go much higher than anticipated.

Harmon could sneak to the low 20s, maybe late teens. Norman-Lott a high second. Would love him if he were there at 57

One of the worst teams lost its worst players — oh my gooood

1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Its funny because Brett Kollmann ends up being wrong about just about everything.  Maybe we'll have a good draft after all.

He was one of the original vloggers to really get good at his video production, but he is one of the most incorrect guys from a projection and prediction standpoint you’ll find. 

Hmm I like his content from time to time, but don’t agree with his ranks here.

Parrish is a great one to keep an eye on who would instantly get in over Smith-Wade - quality spunky player

6 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Kinda puzzling to me because of how weak the top of the class is.  If he's Drake London, that's gotta be a pretty good pick out of this class right?  London was selected 8 overall and PFF had him ranked as the 7th best receiver last year.

If you line him up versus his common comparisons - Drake London is a bit better after the catch and Michael Pittman a bit better at out powering DBs for jump balls. You take those away and it’s a solid guy, but unsure if teams see enough that helps them really elevate their offenses.

Per Daniel Jeremiah, he hasn’t come across anyone that has him top 10.  Mentioned some teams have him below 20th overall. Highest in the 10-13 range. 

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

 

Yeah, that should 1000% be a trade down if that is the thought process(and it isn't) with the organization.

I mean if you're looking at the best combination of intangibles, playmaking, & consistency on defense, Barron is probably 2nd in this draft after Carter. 

He's the best playmaker in the secondary and is unbelievably sound (technically).  Plays outside, big nickel and FS.  Fits the 2HS /Cover 3 stuff and our nickel subs really well.  Just saying.

Agree to disagree if you don't see him high, but he's become my DB1.  And honestly, after Hunter, Carter, Graham, & Walker, I kind of like him the most for us on defense (along with Kenneth Grant).  Just can't get on board with the higher edges and Johnson's man skills worry me at the NFL level.

1 minute ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

If everyone’s a reach then no one’s a reach.  It’s all relative to this group of players.  

If most teams really think the blue chips are just Carter & Hunter, then many teams may not have that big of a gap between their #5 and 25.  This draft is going to be mad unpredictable due to the quantity per tiers being so unique.  

There will be many more of the picks happen than usual where a common 2nd-3rd rounder goes way higher than expected, and some of the commonly mentioned 1sts go way lower.

43 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Jahdae Barron at 8???

My brother in Christ, what in the actual fug are you talking about?

Not really that far fetched.  He's CB1 for many.  

Would be cool with this. 

I loved Williams coming out of school back in the day but his career shifted when he blew the Diggs game winning TD angle at the huge Saints/Vikes playoff game.

Played well for BAL but with Moehrig, Blackmon makes a lot of sense. Better complimentary piece. He’s pretty good too.

10 hours ago, Icege said:

Looking at the DL exclusively, they're adding DB, Wharton, and Brown III to it which completely replaces last season's starters. That leaves Robinson, Crumedy, Tuttle, Ray, and any other additions made competing for the three back-up spots. They essentially added a 100 tackle DT, the sack leader of one of last season's Super Bowl teams, and a true NT rather than an undersized one.

I'm with you on the safeties. If Scott does return, I expect him to take Sam's role as back up SS/ST. Moehrig is the clear starter and a major upgrade... as much as I want a top flight FS, I have to appreciate the team prioritizing a run-stopping safety to fix record-setting incompetence over a centerfielder. Then when I consider that the Panthers get to play against Bijan Robinson, Alvin Kamara, and Bucky Irving twice a season... I can dig it. The situation at FS tho...

I'm concerned that we might see more soft zone coverage if they don't find a starting FS. I'm finding it hard to believe that they're going in depending on Demani Richardson, but maybe his play last season makes them comfortable with adding another young body to compete against this season? I gotta dive into the tape and see for myself.

Going to be veeery interesting

It would be fun to pair Moehrig with a ballhawking type like Watts.  Horn is a shutdown type at CB but we really do need a ballhawk in the secondary to make us a bit peskier back there.  Then land a CB like Strong VT to see develop as well for the outside or a better boost at NB like Parrish KSU over Smith-Wade.

So much noise for a guy we’re probably not taking.

10 hours ago, MHS831 said:

We have a slew of DTs, but 3 were on our roster last year--I do not get bringing them back, even if to compete.  I wonder if Shy Tuttle was out of position, but Ray sucked last year.  I don't understand having a LOADED draft at DT and then spending your ass off signing a free agent and then signing another--I think we should add one of these young IDL in the draft--and we should ahve signed a S or another CB in free agency---I just don't get the strategy.  It makes me question Morgan.

Yeah it’s a fair observation. Overpaying for FA vets at positions in the first wave that are strong in the draft.  

Did it last year as well with the IOL (although I think Lewis was a great move)

It just limits the impact a deep positional class could give us. Seems like we treat the FA in isolation and then let those moves dictate the draft, rather than projecting where the draft can best help and being more careful about FA signings.