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Not a single exciting skill position player. Chinn is apparently not a dog anymore. Burns can gtfo with his empty, hollow Spiderman celebrations. He's getting worked, yet again. Horn can't find the field. And there's not a soul on offense. Derrick Brown and Luvu are the only redeeming qualities with this team. Everyone else can GTFO.

This important reset, all hands on deck, "Reich taking back control" mode they went into has produced: 108 TOTAL YARDS, 0 POINTS

This is the most uninspiring football team ever. Also -- Burns blows today. Had one good awareness play but he's getting worked.

If that ends up being Caleb’s last college game, he’ll still go top-5 overall if he declares, but that caps off such a disappointing season for the guy. He’s got damn good skills but man, what a dud this year was for that whole program. His attitude blows too, very entitled guy who can easily get framed as a “villain”

Wow, that about does it for TMJ's career here. What a dissapointment given the talent at WR in that draft. Oh wee mane

I heard we went ahead and painted a star at midfield

A low key thrashing today was what Cam Ward did to Colorado. Wash St had a few disappointing losses this year but Ward has really improved as a passer.

Odunze is going to be a star NFL WR. He's just got it.

I like the EDGE rushers at UCLA. They’re reaking havoc on Caleb

Yeah that's fair. I think it's easy to put him up there. It's crazy to think about how things have changed league wise. The NFCC year, he was like 14 TDs, 9 INTs, 56% completion. He played through the modernization of the modern passing game all the way until Cam's rookie year. Crazy to look back at those QBs stats https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/1996/REG/all/passingtouchdowns/DESC

Look up morel-lavallee lesion..it's nasty

For their actual play while here (not in the context of their careers): 1. Cam 2. Jake 3. Steve 4. Kyle Allen 5. Teddy B 6. Matt Moore Kerry Collins -- had an okay career elsewhere, but sucked here, and had a bunch of issues. He's like 7 or 8 for me. In the Darnold ranks. Kyle Allen fizzled out career wise, but he played really well with CMC. I think he showed more potential than Moore when here, and took more risks on the field than Teddy. Something crazy in looking at stats -- Bryce has already passed Jimmy Clausen on our all time passing yards list, so I guess he's got that going for him (insert caddyshack meme) Not a good list haha

That Giants home opener though...thought we had our long overdue Jake successor.

Yeah I agree here a lot. Trading up to take a guy at the end of your Day-2 tier list, with positional tunnel vision, is not how you want to do it. You shouldn't mortgage picks to move up for the last guy remaining in your EDGE grouping tier. You trade up, "with conviction" (to steal their terminology), for the guy you really want. Honestly, they should have just pounced on Tuli at 39 if they wanted an all-around EDGE to play day 1. Then, what you do, is trade up/or stay put at 93 for an offensive skill position player. Josh Downs, Achane, Michael Wilson, Tyjae Spears, the talent was there. Then, in keeping our second 4th rounder, could have still gotten great value around there with guys like Charlie Jones, Adebawore, Jay Ward, Tyler Scott, Abanikanda around that range. What's done is done, but that draft strategy after we took Bryce left a sour taste in my mouth. Much like the year prior with Brandon Smith and Matt Corral.

Not to mention, Rhule was on a shorter leash and rumors last year were that Fitt did gain leverage in roster construction. Impossible to know how true it was though. But with that being said, we proceeded to spend 5 picks on 3 guys no longer on the team in the 2022 draft. Yikes. And that’s a part of how you end up the worst team in the league.

Sure. What you said is fine, but seems like an independent point from what I'm saying.

That's such an outlier metric wise. It's also telling that the guys on the chart that are the furthest outliers are in very unique situations. Mac Jones: Genuinely terrible Jimmy G: Genuinely terrible Bryce Young: Has the 3rd lowest YPA in the modern era for starting QBs (min 8 games), but his first read is rarely open Tua: Highly effective offense he's running, his first read is often open. But he's also going above and beyond on deeper throws this year.

Many GMs work with coaches with a distinct vision in mind so there's trust and an agreed upon idea of the players they target vs. don't. That's league wide. Seems like we still just don't have an agreed upon framework and the guys that fit that...or they really thought they sufficiently addressed what they needed to. They knew all the right things to say but didn't actually do it. So it tells me rather than this being willful ignorance out of pride, this is them thinking they can make this happen with the players they have. So it's a miss in evaluation on the front end and coaching on the back.

After watching the presser—Gotta say, it’s hard not to notice that Brown has a lot of potential. The guy is young — and a staff of very different minds brought him in here as a counterpoint to their archaic direction. Feel like he’s the wrong guy to put in this position, it’s going to be a bad look around the league. He should be learning and growing into a legit coach not being ping ponged by a directionless Reich.

It’s super crazy how much dysfunction there is. 3 games, our only win, and it’s not like it was that different than the first 6 games. Frank gave Thomas the go and took it away in a bizarrely soon way. Brown got dirtied. Pretty much assured us this is all going to collapse. Onto the next regime.

There's the extremes in this Bryce debate, but it's possible to operate in the enormous grey area that is analyzing what it looks like Bryce is doing, all outside-team factors aside. No need to antagonize the other extremes people. With that said, I'm also just very surprised McNown isn't working with Bryce on his mechanics. Or if he IS, then that is troubling. I mean, that's correctable stuff. People have been noticing his shotgun drops style since Bama. It's just bewildering they're allowing him to stay this loose with it all, when mechanics and timing are everything at this level of play. So they're letting him maintain his habits that needed correcting, when in the NFL, everyone is as fast as the fastest player on the college field at their position. The personnel not aligning to the offense is the trump card for the year though. That takes the cake on poor decisions. We were trying to aspire to a McVay type offense yet we draft Mingo, give up picks for DJJ, and ignore 5+ absolute burners in this draft when we had no shifty guy. And if they were wanting that to be D. Byrd or Shi Smith, then god help us.

Oh he definitely does. The pro bowl fillers after guys decline got some 1 year wonders to find their way in. Maybe another year without a full contact game will help change the tide. But yeah, Jones is terrible.

It's been pretty bad since around 2016. Unsure how that lines up with a lot of changes there but outside of Duggar, Wise, think it can be argued it's one of the worst in the league. Mac Jones and their punter the only pro bowlers since 2016. Jury is still out on Strange, he's up and down. Thuney (and maybe Shaq Mason) are their only draft hits on the OL in over 10 years.

Still wild to think of. Compare what got the Texans from 12 to 3: 2023 1st, 2nd, 2024 1st, 3rd..(They had 2 first next year so kept the Browns pick)..nothing beyond in 2025. Now, imagine what 9 to 3 would have taken. Probably the same because Fitterer tends to get fleeced, but still, there's no DJ Moore in that trade. Could've been 9, one of our 2023 2nds & 2024's 1st. Maybe a future mid rounder, but not that 2025 2nd. So we weren't quite sure who we wanted but were willing to give up our best offensive player and more to move up 2 extra spots. Also, you tend to see the team trading up try to leverage a few late rounders to help with the quantity of picks and we really didn't do that. After adding DJ, I feel we could have netted at least a 5th from Chicago. Fail

Yeah I think that is one of the biggest gripes. Fitterer kept mentioning if you're trading up it means you have conviction for your guy. But we wheeled right at the combine and kept trying to figure out who we wanted. They traded while still evaluating and made the whole QB pro-day tour Just so much desperation--You don't give up that much when you can't decide who you want.