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Panthers' Offense: Some Core Concerns Surfacing Early
Bear Hands replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
Reich has mentioned collaborating and working together on building a playbook but I just don't see much at all of what where the philosophy and calls are coming from the wide zone systems/Brown's side of things. That's a huge question for me. I'd really like to know what the deal is with what we've seen. Are they (a) still implementing (b) favoring more generic west coast principles (c) combination? I can see the easy answer being a or c but they need to show it--I see a lot of deep step backs w/ developing routes, they're running dives, some traps, WC 3 WR sets, some pistol, very few stuff like bunch formations w/variable personnel which shouldn't be difficult to throw into the sauce pan. -
Panthers' Offense: Some Core Concerns Surfacing Early
Bear Hands replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
@TheCasillas Thanks for the context. Will no doubt give it some time. I'd like to think we can still identify the scheme being applied aside from the extent of what is being implemented within the one we have. Given what we're seeing, I'm unsure if the playbook at full deployment will be a wide-zone influenced, diversified spread look. It seems more like his previous offense with some modern wrinkles. But even Reich at his best, there's less sails and mesh right now (maybe what we're easing in) You mentioned you're buzzing out of town but def look forward to your next all-22 look. -
Panthers' Offense: Some Core Concerns Surfacing Early
Bear Hands posted a topic in Carolina Panthers
Took a minute to digest whatever we saw on offense yesterday (It didn't taste good and didn't digest well, a big ole' sh*t) It's not any one player performance outweighing the others. Not here to mindlessly bash Bryce. I will say, it is absolutely frustrating to see him out there like he's a 3rd-4th round pick thrown in too soon. That's not entirely on him...maybe lining up behind a guard accidentally. Jokes out of the way, what is clear as day after 2 weeks, WR regardless, QB play regardless, this is regarding how this entire offense's architecture looks. We have: Frank Reich - SB winning OC, former QB, NFL lifer Jim Caldwell - SB winning HC, SB winning position coach, NFL lifer Thomas Brown - Former RB, SB winning AHC/position coach, Highly hyped McVay protege James Campen - SB winning OL coach, one of the higher regarded in the league and then Josh McCown, former QB, testing the coaching waters. The #1 Overall draft pick in 2023 And We have: We have 266 passing yards after 2 games. -- I think how upset people about our performance so far is totally valid. The best teams have coaches who can best cater to the talent they have. The reactiveness and craziness here is not all justified, but it's pretty obvious why it's happening and another salty Darrin Gant bashes the fanbase article lies ahead. It is downright inexcusable that they cannot position the players we have to create substantial yardage, sustain drives and create points right now. We have been stifled to the effect of the 2010 lame duck season. You look around the league and there is simply no one as limited on offense as we are right now. Not one. Even Josh Dobbs is moving AZ down the field. So, my general glance, not an in depth study: The outside zone schemes of the Shanahan and McVay disciples had defensive responses in recent years, and the NFL is already in arguably phase 3 of the modern scheme wars--that we're apparently complacent being on the sidelines from, not participating in. There's been an ongoing chess match in this regard with many of the top teams and their schemes and we can't even get in the building to try to keep up with it. Modern spread, wide-zone, deception, misdirection -- is not in the building Reich framed his approach as one learning from past mistakes, being collaborative, but this looks like what he's always brought. What it looks like (so far) is a fixed system that he's used before. There's just no creativity I'm seeing right now, no outside runs, bunch formations, no defensive stretching stuff that keeps them guessing, condensed sets. If there is, it's in such minor doses, that it's irrelevant. So, you get this type of group together, the #1 overall draft pick who can do this stuff (and showed in college), I'm sorry but you 100%, HAVE to look more competent. There's no excuse for looking this bad on offense. I can buy certain aspects, such as, Bryce adjusting, having nice moments here and there and the OL having some decent stretches for backup guards playing. But this is putrid. It is EARLY, but this is a huge early indictment on the coaching staff. They need to make serious adjustments and an early come to jesus about what they've implemented IF this is what they intended to deploy. Show us why people kept saying this was some rockstar group of cats we put together. It's going to be a tough go against a SEA defense that's finding their identity with some quality DBs. Looking forward to some of the deep divers to dig into what we're seeing because, it isn't pretty by any stretch of the imagination. Overall: Hoping for some more enjoyable football ahead. I will say, Evero has our defense looking absolutely awesome. Evero vs. Waldren will be fun. Hope Shaq heals as well as possible. No one on the Offensive staff or players seem like sh*theads, but it looks like sh*t that's for sure. Cheers.- 75 replies
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Look at the schedule… who we beating?!?
Bear Hands replied to TheBigKat's topic in Carolina Panthers
SEA, DET, & MIA early on the schedule...damn -- we've got some of the better league offenses early. Tough road until the bye. May have to brace for 1-5 at best come the Texans game. Hopefully not 0-6. -
The weird thing is we have 3 potential NFL coaching talents in Evero, Brown, & McNown on this staff. The rumblings that Brown has had some conflicting (but constructive) critiques of Frank's approach & what we've been installing is looking concerning (Frank referenced that in a few pressers). If this legit goes off the rocker, how do you pull out the HC but retain the rest if they truly seem to be potential stars? Frank may need to swallow some pride earlier than expected. We just need to see what Bryce can do with a different approach. Cannot go through an entire season complacent hoping he improves next year. We need to see growth and actionable offense soon. Like, we can't move the ball. At all. AR & Stroud have offenses they can at least move a bit and have managed TDs. I have just never seen such a faceplant coming out of the gate.
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The blame is very much weighing on the offensive scheme and playcalling right now over a fresh rookie QB that has potential. It's just looking so bland and uninspired. If you don't have burners, you design plays to open guys up. Get some pre-snap movement, get some rhythm into this group. Use decoys, create space dammit. I just can't get over the playcalls. The runs, the bland patterns, situational playcalling. It's like Reich isn't even trying to move down the field. I just don't get it. This is indeed the worst type of Foxball PTSD right now.
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He was. Broke off his route and started moving left. There was a path left of the pocket to step up and he ran to the strong side. Could be wrong but that what I initially saw. That being said, this is a big indictment on playcalling and our offensive design.
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Step up to the left and Mingo was drifting open. Dammit.
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Okay…we should be able to still land Michael Pratt or Cameron Ward in R2 if this season truly goes to the shizer
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Get your eye drops ready everyone. It’s gonna hurt
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We’re just tripping on our face so hard out of the gate right now. It’s surreal how bad it is given what they sold this offseason. The defense looks amazing and Evero will get a HC gig shortly lol
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Can’t wait for the next ‘Darin Gantt sh*ts on the fans’ article this week
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I just can’t believe how we can barely move the ball. Sub 200 passing games should be few and far between in the modern day and we can’t get out of our own way. It’s just such vanilla, uninspired concepts
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Hubbard pistol run time lol
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Reich is just not impressive. This is as painful as late Henning
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The offense is just bad. Poorly designed, in effective concepts, just really rough
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Definitely lower extremity. I was thinking knee. Unsure though. *edit -- review looked like ankle for sure
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Oh damn. Hope he’s okay, he looks to be in a lot of pain