Bear Hands

He’s a tad behind them. Around 15ish of 32 starters in the league. He’s well ahead of a lot of guys. Tua, Bryce, Cousins (present), Rodgers (current), Devito/Jones, Minshew, Russ (current), Watson, Smith, Carr, T Laws deep ball is weak as poo IMO, there’s plenty. And it’s not like everyone is ripping 60+ers. The key component is if you can rip and maintain velocity of the 30-40 yarders which he does super well. Legit every report out there from Brugler to PFF to PFN document him as good/above average arm strength. Eye test tells me it’s pretty much that as well, slightly above average.

optimistic side given Chuba's share: 9 carries, 45ish yards, 3 catches, 30ish yards

4 carries, 17 yards. 2 catches, 27 yards. And we will all overreact.

The Oregon system allowed him to show off his accurate deep ball and the big plays produced with Franklin make it deceiving. Note - He had one of the top rated deep ball grades in CFB last year (95.5) and at the same time, was 1st in producing the least amount of turnover worthy plays and least amount of negative yards in all of CFB. He has what I see as top-15ish arm strength. Above average NFL. He's not cracking the Allen/Herbert/Mahomes tier, but he's not far behind Dak/Baker. When the ball is out, it's consistent and always under control, strong velocity. He had the super-senior experience and the pre-snap read experience to call out protections and looks. All in all, it's a pick that in retrospect is an easy one to tie Peyton to. His best assets are his ability to avoid sacks, smart reads, agility, & mobility.

Speaking to progression and not the final product or stat lines. Those were statistically his two big games, but he has been making some great throws and it's been a steady increase of those over time. He's getting better and being coached up. It's not just the two inflated games, he's been getting a hang of things really nicely. Not to mention, having some burners has helped him as well.

I know most of this place doesn't favor Bryce, so I'm preaching to the choir. Also - screw the Broncos and Peyton. Okay, with that being said... Seeing what Nix has done this season is something we should all tune into. Why? His first two games were, well bad would be putting it lightly. He looked in over his head, pro-level shocked, you could see the anxiousness. He needed to settle down in the pocket and adjust to the game. And you know what? He did just that. And as the season has progressed, he has got better and better each week. All this through OL injuries and weapons like Sutton, Vele (who?), Lil'Jordan Humphrey (who?) & Mims, he has managed to ascend and bring himself into ROTY contention over Jayden Daniels & Brock Bowers. And he's making advanced throws, layering in the second level, put them in position to beat KC the other week until the ST unit lost it. The short version of my point - Bryce's recent "progression" is relative. This is the type of progression you would like to see as a season goes on and a kid gets adjusted to the pace of the NFL. Bo Nix Notable 2024 Stats (Through 11 games): 19 TDs (14 pass, 4 rush, 1 rec), 6 INTs, 2,275 pass yards, 295 rushing, 65.5% comp, 6.4 YPA Last 5 games: 10 TD, 1 INT, 1,193 pass yards, 115 rushing, 70.6% comp, 7.4 YPA

I'm excited for him to play, no matter the touches. Only optimism about this kid. True dual threat - don't expect a big sample size this week but it's good to see.

Yeah we just don't have the roster yet. Even the Jets for example have Breece, Wilson, Sauce, McDonald IV, Jermaine Johnson, Fashanu as a young core. LVR, Cleveland, NYG, TEN, & NE are nearest. I think there's an argument up to around being 27th.

This is also why considering this next draft class, it wouldn’t bother me to land an OT like Banks or Campbell. Don’t settle with a strength, keep building your strengths so they stay strengths. Especially if the talent isn’t there at the other spots of need (EDGE, QB)

Texans in particular. Drafted Stingley, Pitre, Nico, Green, plenty of guys before getting Stroud. And even last year, getting Dell, Anderson, Scruggs, To'Toto, Hutchinson are all part of the build. Those teams built up good squads. If you look at us in that time period, it's missed pick after missed pick. And those were picks we traded multiple picks to get. With some of those picks even being given to the very Texans that became Nico lol. First things first is building the team. Hope Dan can do that.

This 2025 class has some good bones in the mid rounds but it’s one of the worst top of classes I’ve seen in history. It gives me some 2013 vibes. McMillan and Graham are solid 1sts but man, these others being floated as top-10… I don’t think they’d go until the late teens/beyond if they were in the last few drafts. I.E I'm not taking these guys like Scourton or Mykel over Verse or Latu. Last year's OTs and WRs would all be going ahead of the majority of this class. Throw Bowers in this class, dare I'd say he'd be 1 on the big board.

Imagine their stats if we had more than n170 net passing yards per game lol

You play out the season like everyone else, see how the team develops, you fall in the draft where you fall, and then find the best players you can. You get nowhere trying to dictate something that is mostly out of your control. Obsessing with controlling the uncontrollable gets you nowhere in life. I mean, are people wanting us to try to be worse? Show up to the coin toss with a white flag? Have a GM coordinate with a coach who instills this idea in the players -- so in case we have a 4th quarter lead against another sh*tty team, they let off the brakes? I don't even get the concern or how that objective is feasible. The "tank" discussion is just ridiculous in the NFL. Too many factors, too much coordination, honestly, it's quite the convoluted strategy that would blow up anyways. Much more bake-able in the NBA. GMs just stay on track with how they're trying to build until they're fired or become perennial contenders. We're a bad team, with a tank commander QB, and have beat some spiraling squads. We're likely to be a top pick, just enjoy the ride through the hellscape. Geez.

Valid take haha

Absolutely not haha. Moreso context for those thinking bad organizations can trip their way into picking a franchise savior. That happens few and far between. And half the time they come from all over the draft.

After we were at 10 points, our drives were as follows: 3 plays, 0 yards, punt 3 plays, 6 yards, punt 6 plays, 22 yards, punt 10 plays, 80 yards, TD (nice drive) 3 plays, 3 yards, punt 1 play, -8 yards, fumble (on a non-call horsecollar) 3 plays, 8 yards, punt 6 plays, 13 yards, punt 4 plays, 5 yards, punt You need to have more than 3 legit scoring drives per NFL game. The drive stalling were not all on Bryce, but he couldn't find guys at times to sustain drives. We had plenty of opportunities against the worst defense in the league and that's what we produced. Nice to see a win, but the continued concerns with Bryce are absolutely valid.

Yeah it will also just be fun to see if Indiana can make this meteoric rise and knock out the annual powerhouses.

Aww they put bad coaches around their Panther gifted assets. Sorry not sorry lol.

I’m personally pretty interested to see this Rourke kid play against OSU this weekend. If he propels Indiana of all places to the CFPs, I think he warrants a hard look at that size and given what he’s done this year.

Don't look now but the last team to win the cellar-stakes is gifting their new treasured with our former esteemed OC Thomas Brown. Another team that got the can't miss, generational prospect at 1OA is sitting at 2-8 this year. 22-37 since their top pick was chosen.

I would be interested to see what a dual threat younger guy with a high-mark toolkit could do behind it.

Agreed

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I’m not crowning him or discounting him quite yet. We’ve had much worse playcalling before so there’s that.

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