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The two guys I think are underlooked at right now because of the Thieneman/M-W love: Haulcy and Kilgore. Feel like one of those 2 could end up here if we go WR in R1. Then go after Elarms-Orr LB who we've supposedly been all about mid rounds. 1-Lemon WR 2-Haulcy/Kilgore DB 3-Elarms-Orr ILB That's a scenario to watch out for.

Totally. As much as I like him, similar to others, only certain IDLs get that top-20 treatment. Takes a lot and he's kind of in that fringe-1st range for me. Excellent talent but I have a itch there will be better available at other spots.

Breer was saying he could go WR1. If he does, Tate finds his way post-10, we could for real be in a spot for Lemon. With our Hawaiian WR already in tow, could become tangy group of dudes. Lemon+Pineapple I'll see myself out...

Seems like we have an eye on WR, but Thieneman is our #1 target on defense. Question is where does Thieneman slide in with the WRs? Most likely after the top-3? You gotta think one of Tate/Tyson/Lemon or Thieneman will be there. And it will be a very fine addition. And McNeil-Warren and/or Cooper Jr would be the wildcards if they for some reason are all gone. Not much smoke around OL or Sadiq. We met with McDonald IDL but he's probably lower than the first 4 on our board.

If Tyson or Lemon are there, I could see them ahead of the DBs and OLs on our board. And that can happen-- If both are available after KC pick (likely), you've got CIN (no), Miami (need but huge D needs), DAL (no), TB (no), DET (no).. and some of the WR favored teams could easily go elsewhere (I.E. BAL/LAR go OL) The only one - I find it hard to see NYJ pass at 16, but it's a real possibility one is there if an OL run in the teens happens...which I find likely with Fano/Ioane/Freeling/Lomu/etc.

Zuhn is a goodie.

That’s what I’m starting to dream up.

One of either could be there. Brugler reported teams have Boston as their #3. Tyson's injuries haven't been flagged/seem minor so teams that love him will get him (could go as WR2). SO that's Tate and Tyson potentially gone, Boston and Lemon could both be there. Lemon is a guy I think could be the perceived "gone" that's just there for us and we take him..an obvious (and major) impact type.

I've tried saying this before hehe But yeah, ideally you seek the guy who can take on that fluid high shell role. We're 2 high the majority of the time, and play a lot of 6 DB looks, not just nickel. Which is why it's still great to have Ransom even if we land a safety who can pull into slot on different looks. Having these safeties with the capacity to roam (not necessarily a Kam Chancellor, it's been more refined since LOB days), but he definitely started a thing. You want that dude who can play robber, look like he's creeping up in the box and then drops back deep, the delayed blitz, or just pull into a slot role. You need that added compliment to Moehrig. And holy bananas this draft has precisely that in more than a few: Thieneman, McNeil-Warren, Stokes, Haulcy, Kilgore, Scott...it's a fun group. It's very much what teams are doing with their top guys like Pitre, Branch, Emman, Hamilton, etc. And a very valuable defensive piece. It's not some guy who just sits back deep playing pick-a-ball circa 2010 at FS.

He took over for one of my favorite prospects last year in Tyleik Williams (who went higher than expected), and McD had a great season. Interested to see where he falls.

Yeah I won't discount Lemon or Boston if they're available. I just think Cooper fits super well. Totally possible they like one of the others just as much. My wishlist is something like this: 1. Thieneman S/Sl 2. McNeil-Warren S/Sl 3. Kayden McDonald DL 4. Omar Cooper Jr. WR 5. CJ Allen/J Rod LB *Love Freeling & Lomu but have a hard time not hearing about our FO wanting more immediate impact picks. And then I have my post-19 guys that I really like such as Haulcy, Golday, Stukes, Kilgore & Abney

People have been basically penning in Thieneman to Minny but I have seen some interesting stuff about McDonald and them.

Important notes about Stukes flying up boards in there as well. He could be a 1st when all is said and done. We met with the guy, maybe teams like Stukes over McNeil-Warren too.

I just have the itch its Cooper. He has a very complimentary fit with McMillan and Coker. Cooper WR + Haulcy S/Slot and maybe a trade-up for Golday ILB would be an interesting haul.

He said they want playmakers like 4 times. I'd have to take a guess and say some of the DBs (Thieneman, McNeil-Warren, Terrell) and WRs (Cooper, Conception, Tyson) are near the top of our board. Had ZERO hesitation to Newton's question about the 3-in-a-row R1 receiver route. My guess is that Cooper could be our guy.. we'll see.

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Given the draft makeup after the top-10 or so, I feel many teams are going to be hoping for trade downs. Which makes downward movement a bit more tricky. So they may just go for the best impact they see fit and surprise. I mean, we can use someone at all levels of our defense (ILB, DE, S and Slot). The offense needs more OL bodies and could use another WR. In no way we can be zeroed in on a particular position. Makes me damn curious to our board and how they’re weighing immediate vs long term impact. I still see multiple guys rather than positions in play. S: Thieneman, McNeil-Warren ILB: Rodriguez, Allen DL: Faulk, McDonald WR/TE: Saddiq, Cooper, Boston, Conception OL: Freeling, Proctor, Lomu, Iheanachor Heck, even the EDGE group in our range is interesting like Parker. - Then there’s these guys that are in that 19/51 fringe range that seem to be really good fits-Haulcy, J Rod, Golday, etc.

Treydan Stukes is a DUDE Could have a meteoric rise IMO

I can see Cooper being a target. Wouldn’t be bent out of shape w a WR, but obviously not a preference if we’re talking position picked — but I’m just looking for impact. And man, this draft class is an odd bunch in our range. Has these really talented hybrid Slot/Safeties, McDonald (but I think I liked Tyleik more the other year), Faulk (huge work in progress), Saddiq (TE in R1?), and some interesting but wildly different profiling OTs. Our biggest needs: ILB, 3-4 DE, S/Slot (à la Branch), OT, WR, and TE The WRs here would be a notable impact add. I personally don’t have a position I am pining for. I see Thieneman, Cooper, McDonald, and McNeil-Warren as my faves right now but it could change. Iheanachor is a sleeper at OT over Proctor, Miller and others. A big eye-of-the-beholder year. It would take a major reach for me to be ticked with the pick bc there’s just too big a range of players, positions and types this draft. Unpopular: Honestly, I kind of love the idea of just trading up for Styles if he slips to 8/9. It’s not a year where capital is going to be lofty.

I doubt we'd be able to, but RB is a pretty tricky spot for us. We're not in position to invest highly, but it would be smart to keep grabbing a guy late to see who sticks. Never know who finds the Kyren/Chase B/Bucky type. - Chuba played in 15 games last season and only accounted for 500ish yards. Brooks is coming off two major injuries. And if we're be honest, Etienne looked like a poor man's Sean Tucker. AJ Dillon is likely washed.

The WR noise this year feels like the EDGE noise last year with Jalon/Mykel/Shemar

An expected PSA- these visits are not always aligned with interest+more interest after the visit. What we don’t know are the ones where they’ve heard things, bring them in to see how they fit, and cross them off the list the second they leave the building. Who I like spotting/hope they check out given what I’ve seen: Golday, Haulcy, Rolder, Cooper, Rodriguez Faulk and McDonald on there is interesting for the R1 targets.

Ignoring the Smitty chatter, I do like Skyler Bell for us. It’s a really interesting WR crop. Lots of variety this year.

I think it’s Faulk Thieneman, M-W, OTs, CBs, and the WRs wouldn’t surprise me.