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PFF Update Rankings - Notable ED shifts
Bear Hands replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
Will say, as I've dug into things, Mike Green is absolutely legit. There are only 3 appropriately-sized guys in this class with over a 20% PR win rate, 99 percentile PR skills: Abdul Carter, James Pierce, & Mike Green. All 3 of those guys are 3-4 molds, but not undersized or poor in run-d grade by any means. Will say, Pierce would not be a bad option at 8 if Graham IDL & Johnson DB are gone. Those 3 are the top. I find it hard to dispute. Gillette arguably falls into this category, but his run-d isn't at their level or else he'd be viewed much higher in this class. Then comes the appeal of Jalon Walker who's this offball/edge hybrid. Overall, just a stud football player. Then there's the consistent, hard-nose, above average type in Sawyer. Nothing flashy, but he's a known commodity, seems like a dude primed to join an upper midwest team. But the guys floating around 10% PR win rates that aren't necessarily stud run defenders, I just don't want much part of. Mykel, Shermar, Kennard are the types that worry me. Now, the pass rush specialists, give me those guys like JT, Princely (stud), Donavon Ez in R2-4...instantly insert them into our sub packages, PR downs and let them cook. Some really interesting options. -
PFF Update Rankings - Notable ED shifts
Bear Hands replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
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PFF Update Rankings - Notable ED shifts
Bear Hands replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
I don't know, I don't see who's stock could realistically rise this draft. These guys just aren't that good of prospects and the tape ain't great either. Milroe is a bit more like a Kellen Mond for me. Not as physically imposing as AR. Has the dual ability, athletic traits, arm, but really no feel as a QB (okay, some similarities lol). All the essentials like pocket awareness, anticipation throws, seeing the layers of live play, it's just not what you want as a QB. Zone-read skills, but no consistency and hasn't really shown he can be that field general. Lower than expected adjusted percentages, SUPER low pressure grades. Just a toolsy-QB IMO. Nix was way more consistent his final year than Ewers and is way more accurate with his deep balls. In addition, Ewers does not have the agility Nix has. Think they're quite different. Something just hasn't clicked yet with QE. He never found his go-to "guy" in school, really had a problem finding and staying in rhythm. And for having so much talent around him, he just never produced what you think he should have. Nix on the other hand was able to go bonkers with Tez, Bucky & Franklin at Oregon, also just had excellent mechanics and good velocity that could trick you to thinking his arm's more powerful than it is. Kyle McCord could be a guy to watch. But at highest, he could rise to R2. I just see Ward & Sanders at the top, but I'm unsure I'd even classify them as 1sts. Many speculated (Brugler, Sando, others) before decisions were made last year that Ward was viewed as a 4th rounder at best developmental...and that was after 2 really positive seasons at WSU. This may not be common sentiment, but I wouldn't take Ward or Sanders over Penix or Nix. -
PFF Update Rankings - Notable ED shifts
Bear Hands replied to Bear Hands's topic in Carolina Panthers
Yeah I should have noted they aren’t listing Walker as an Edge defender on their site but he can totally play there as well as offball. -
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The draft season shakeups are starting to begin on ranking boards. PFF now has 7 ED ranked in the first round. Albeit that’s relative to this draft class, not necessarily 1st round grades. https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2025 Notable: Position/Overall Ranking/Name 1/2 Abdul Carter 2/9 James Pearce (somewhat surprised) 3/11 Mike Green (surprise, high climber) 4/18 Mykel Williams (fell) 5/20 Shemar Stewart 6/22 Jack Sawyer (climbing) 7/25 Nic Scourton (fell) 8/33 Donovan Ezeiruaku (climber) 9/38 Landon Jackson 10/39 Princely Umanmielen (surprise/slight fall, but high upside) 11/44 JT Tuimoloau (personally, I like him for us R2)
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[The Athletic] Panthers’ offseason to-do list
Bear Hands replied to Icege's topic in Carolina Panthers
I quite like the Blackmon idea - he’s a good DB -
Counter to the assumed notion, the value of RBs is actually increasing but was at its lowest dip in its history a few years ago, so its still pretty damn low. The best of the best could start getting better contracts but that lowest valley was around 2021/2022. Teams that have infrastructure to comfortably add that high-quality sparkplug can get studs higher. We are not one of those teams....(will be interesting to see who pops for Jeanty- Bengals? Cowboys?) And the problem is Brooks isn't just that bit. What I found interesting was that most/if not all the higher mid rounders like him (IR), Corum, Benson, & Lloyd didn't quite show up. Yet you had Bucky Irving, Tyron Tracy, & Ray Davis finding roles without major injuries ahead of them. He wasn't in that gamebreaker class. So, it's not that RBs shouldn't be selected in the 1st/2nd type argument, it's more the expectation of what that type of R2 selection should be adding to your team. He just didn't make sense for us. Guys like Frazier or Sainristil did. Unless it's generational, that sweet spot is R4-5 IMO for RBs. Heck, we have the 8th-11ish best rated RB in 2024 on this roster and he was a 2020 4th.
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Could be the year of Barkley & Henry squaring off in the big game... Stafford played his butt off. Felt bad for Limmer, he did really well today and then botched that assignment at the end. Solid game.
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Limmer is really holding his own
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Luvu / Chinn….. why did we let them go again?
Bear Hands replied to TheBigKat's topic in Carolina Panthers
Luvu had the open market he wanted to test, and honestly, it seemed like he was preferential to elsewhere even if the money was similar. Chinn was the 2020 runner-up DROY. His type of talent doesn't just not fit but I guess the 2 high shell isn't optimal - we just couldn't use him the way Snow did. He's a fit with the now more hybrid-Cover 3 defense Quinn deploys. -
We'll see. I think it would be hard to slow down WAS right now. PHI/Kellen Moore can call duds and Stafford has shown his age (although they've had great flashes). At full strength, I still feel BAL is the best team, but you can't deny Mahomes. He's like damn Brady in his prime. The BAL/BUF game is gearing to be THE game this season.
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WAS could very much win next week, be it LAR or PHI. I don't think this is an abberation. Also, think the more entertaining SB scenario out of teams left would be WAS v BAL/BUF. Potential MVP vs. ROTY.
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https://atozsports.com/nfl/detroit-lions-news/hendon-hooker-could-potentially-be-leaving-with-lions-oc-ben-johnson-according-to-an-nfl-insider-what-the-lions-could-get-in-return-and-their-next-step-at-qb/ Who knows, rumors are rarely valid…. Ben Johnson may be favoring LVR because he could start from scratch (and bring Hooker with him who knows his offense) Wild idea, doubt it’s credible though but never know.