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The max I'd offer for pick #3. If we give up any more may as well go to #1. Panthers get : #3 Cardinals get: #9 #93 #132 2024 #1

Honestly, with all the flaws from each of the top 4 QB prospects, I'm fine with any of them. The more and more I try to analyze the situation the more apparent the need for a heady bridge QB. We need a QB who will show our draft pick how to be a pro, and make our QB earn the starting job. I know it sounds cliché, but that's what we need. Frank and mostly Josh can be the teachers the vet needs to set the example. Cam, through his adversity at Florida and JC learned how to put a team on his back and willed them to the national championship. One aspect of Cam's game that I feel is often overlooked is his leadership abilitly. He took over the personality of the team on both sides of the ball. He was a grinder. If Richardson or Levis have that grinder mentality I'm all about either of them. As critical as many were of Levis last year, he didn't gripe. The dude is confident, just hope he isn't Zack Wilson like cocky. Give me someone like Minshew or Heinicke who can serve as a solid #2 for years but will not back down to earn the job as our bridge QB.

FA - Wish List QB - Minshew WR - Woods LB - Drue Tranquill DL - Morgan Fox (try a do over) TE - Austin Hooper (on the Cheap only) Resign: Bozeman, Franklin (RFA), and Foreman (if reasonable) Draft: QB, DE, CB, DT, OG, TE, RB Targets: QB: Stroud, Hooker, McGee DE: Foskey, Hall, McDonald DT: Benton, Smith, Cameron Young CB: Forbes, Ricks, Kelly, Williams, Brents OG: Jarred Patterson TE: LaPorta, Davis Allen, Payne Durham RB: Evans, Roschon Johnson, Kenny McIntosh Look to see if he falls: Noah Sewell

He is a sexy mutha fugger. All those Selwyn Ave South Park Stratford Wives would hike up those tennis skirts in celebration.

I think Matt Ryan is the best comparison to DC I can think of in recent memory. Matt Ryan arguably played his best years of football from season 9 - 12 before his play fell off a cliff. If the contract is structured right, I could see value in giving DC a 4 year deal. I believe Carr would like there to be some kind of out structured into the deal if the fit isn't right given how things ended with LV. If that is the strategy, I could see us pulling a trade back to fill out some holes with better depth, or getting a rookie DE like Tyree Wilson or Myles Murphy

If we nab a FA QB, who are your top 3 options? 1. 2. 3.

Get Minshew and then I'd be ok with drafting AR15 or even not drafting a QB. Let Matt Carrol, Gardner, and another heady vet fill out the QB room. Minshew had some Jake Delhomme to his game. I think given protection and a focus on the intermediate passing game he's thrive in the right system.

That's exactly what he did. This entire ordeal tells you everything we all now know regarding Matt Rhule. Shocking how his salary goes from 5.1 million in year one to over 12 million the last year. Coincidence? From Panther's Wire..... If the contract with the new club includes a substantial salary increase in new contract years, the Commissioner shall use the following as a guideline to determine the reasonableness of those increases: (i) if annual compensations is scheduled to increase by 20 percent or more for the new contract years, the prior club’s annual offset, if that club is entitled to an offset, shall be calculated based upon the employee’s average annual compensation during the entire term of contract.”

He is a free agent this year. No way he supplants Hurts unless Hurts holds out for a new deal

Stroud is the only draftable QB for us in the this draft. Honestly, I would rather go get someone like Gardenr Minshew as a place holder to battle with Corral for this upcoming season than force a pick, let alone a trade for Levis or AR15. If we cannot get Stroud for a reasonable price; remember we still need an edge rusher, MLB, TE, and CB, we should trade back in the first and acquire an additional 1st for next year. If we had two first round picks next year we could easily trade up towards the top of the draft with a Godfather package while having enough cap space to build out our roster holes with Free Agents. I'm more sold on a group of Caleb Williams or Drake Mayes than I am of Stroud, Young, Levis, Richardson.

I agree with you. When people look at QB's, if a QB is anything but ELITE, they are a bust. Honestly, there is nothing wrong with being mid if you have the team build around them. With the way QB's are eating up cap space, I'd rather pay mid level salary at QB for a QB who falls around #12 - 20 in QB rankings if that means I have two top level players at other positions of impact. Not every QB is Mahomes or Burrow.

I'd send our second, second round pick for him. Use our first to trade back and collect future draft capital. Anything more than that would be too much since he will only have two seasons left on his rookie contract.

Do we have the personnel to run a Fangio defense? He runs a 3-4 base doesn't he? We tried that when Tepper first bought the team and it didn't work well. Our DE's and DT's may not fit the bill. I could see Burns and Haynes working well at rush LB's, but we'd be SAWFT up the gut.

Tepper realized that in order for the team to compete at a higher level, the Panthers needed a new identity. You can keep the Keep Pounding mantra in the building while still shifting to an offensive focus. Having Reich as an OC would never have worked. I'll fully admit that I really liked this idea, but the more I thought on it I realized it would not garner the results I'd like. In game planning and real time situations Wilks would be making the calls on what our focus should be (run, run, run), what to do on 4th downs, ect.... Long story short, WIlks is not the offensive guy and would be conservative. If Reich wanted to implement a more offensive game plan/roster that would, at some point, on cause a rift amongst the coaching staff. Rivera and McDermott have/are only riding the success of generational QB's. Look at Ron now, he is going through more OC's because he can't develop a QB. He has not had consistent winning since before Cam was hit by TJ Watt. McDermott is about to hit his plateau. Once he Lost Daboll, his offensive advantage is not what it was before. Tepper has his flaws, but he gave Perry Few and Steve Wilks an opportunity that other owners have not or would not. He made a mistake with Rhule. Again, I could see why that happened. I got caught up in Rhule's sales pitch using that slimy dime store preacher voice. We don't know what WIlke's plan on offense was. Is Byron Leftwitch THE answer? What is his offensive like without Tom Brady? All of us know that AL Holcolmb is not DC material. So if we say that those two coordinators are not a fit for the Panthers is that race based or performance based? Another sign that Wilks and Holcomb may not be as highly regarded outside our organization is that Atlanta was "monitoring" the situation in Carolina. They even interviewed Holcomb for DC, but never interviewed Wilks? Then they hired another DC the day after Reich was announced as HC. Long story short this was a football move. I have empathy for those hurt by the decision. Personally, I have no idea what it is like to not feel as people like myself are not properly represented. It's not like it's Jerry Richardson running the organization anymore, or we are run by someone like the McNair family.

Would Johnson bring this guys as a bridge QB? I would prefer it to this guy. and much prefer it to this guy...

Move Chinn back to LB and there you go!!!! Totally agree with you. Certainly we need to draft a CB with one of our 2nd round picks. Honestly, with this coaching hire I could see more veterans coming our way to fill out our depth. Hopefully we hit pay-dirt in the draft this year with all of our higher picks!

Bashing the hiring of Reich for race reasons is grabbing at low hanging fruit IMO. It is quite obvious that there have been instances in the past where race has played a factor specifically Brian Flores and likely Wilks AZ tenure. However, in this case I honestly and truly feel that Frank Reich getting the position of head coach was purely a football move. I love to bash Tepper as much as the next guy. At times I love the guy, at other times I really wonder WTF he is thinking. One thing I don't think he can be accurately accused of is being prejudice in his or his organizations hiring practices. Looking only at the football operations staff (and two other notable additions) I see... Steve Drummonds - VP of football operations, Samir Suleiman - VP football Administration, Kevin King - Head Athletic trainer - Taylor Rajack Director of Football Analytics - Cole Spencer - Director of College Scouting - Anish Shroff Play by play announcer - are all African American or minority hirings on the football side. Ron Rivera was the first Hispanic head coach in NFL history. Perry Fewell and Steve Wilks were both interim head coaches for the Panthers. To say the Panthers are not inclusive or bias, especially under David Tepper would be an unfair statement. Lastly, there is Justine Lindsay, noting else screams inclusion more than that.

I trust Smitty's opinion and Greg Olsen's opinions more than dime a dozen analysts. Yes, both of them were proud of Wilks and would have supported him, but I also believe both of them are well aware of the needs and deficiencies of our current roster. The players that COUNT in the locker room are professionals and men. They will understand that they do have a good leader incoming and what can be done to improve this team. I could easily see us go 5-1 or at worst 4-2 in our division based upon our opponents for next year. In addition, We also play the Bears, Texans, Colts, Titians, and possibly Rogers-less Packers next season. All winnable games with our current roster. THIS IS THE RIGHT MOVE. Chance favors the prepared!!! I'm excited to see who he pulls out of his rolodex! Imagine if Kellen Moore gets scapegoated by the cowboys? hmmmmmm. Going into the draft I could see a few things happen. 1. Wave Bye Bye to Sammy. Enter Jacoby Bissett. Former NC State QB, perfect veteran/bridge QB. He's been in many systems, is well respected, and can give you some wins others do their jobs around him. 2. We temper our aggression in the draft for a QB. I would only push future capital for Stroud. If the cost is too high, trade back and collect a future first round pick for next year's draft. Come out swinging at a top 2 pick offering 3 first rounders to get either Mays or Williams. (2 - 2024 picks and a 2025). We could draft a QB like McKee or Hooker to compete with Corral in the mean time. If one of them hit, great problem to have. 3. We cut some fat like Elflin, Williams, and Thomas. Restructure Shaq on a team friendly deal. Move Chinn to LB so he can wreck havoc again like his rookie year. Extend Burns, and either tell DJAX he needs to take a pay cut or he will be cut. Sign Gesicki as a TE, Devin Bush ILB, or even better, try to get bot Edmonds brothers here! 4. "BIG DICK" Nick Foles is your new QB coach, will rise to OC and take over for Frank when he retires!

100% agree with you and Smitty. Greg Olsen also alluded to this thinking during the SF/Dallas broadcast. Greg basically said that there are not enough QB's out there with 4 years of playing experience. QB's transfer so often, or if they show out then get out to maximize on their draft status. A guy like Billy Zappe is a perfect example. He has not had the same level of success as Brock Purdy, but I could easily see him develop into a mid level QB that could thrive with weapons around him. The NFL is going to come to an adjustment in regards to the QB position over the next few years as the older more established QB's retire or move on. Eli Manning played for 3 full seasons, Peyton played 4, Big Ben 3 seasons, Phillip Rivers 4 seasons, Tom Brady 4 seasons, Andrew Luck 3 seasons, and Drew Breese 3 years. All of them played significant amounts during their college years. They learned how to be leaders, adjust to different personnel, and handle the ups and downs of being the face of a team. One year starters, or guys based upon metrics alone don't have those qualities. I love all of the tools that AR-15 has, but I wouldn't sped a 1st round pick to HOPE that in two years he is ready when I could land an established player who will be on my team and contribute for possibly 5 years with that pick. Fitty was correct in saying that either every year, or every other year you should be drafting a QB in the later rounds to develop. One of the reasons I am holding out high hopes for Matt Corral. 4 years of college, 3 as a starter. He was a competitor, a leader, and with GOOD COACHING, will hopefully, learn how to adjust to NFL defenses. I like Young and Stroud as prospects. Stroud being the number 1 that Georgia game exemplified how his experience has helped him flourish. Yes CJ only started two seasons, but he was on the team in 2020 and couldn't help that the season was cancelled. Young is just too small for my liking. Look at the beating Tua has taken. He has one inch and 30lbs on Young. Baker is one inch taller and has nearly 30lbs on Young. Tune, Hooker, O'Connell, and Jaren Hall all could be worth a draft pick, and honestly, may not be all that far behind the top 2 QB's in term of long term development and value.

Of course you want to win it all, but you need to start somewhere. Would you call the season by Jacksonville a disappointment? Outside of the way the Chargers lost, I would be excited as a fan by the potential, but also likely calling for a new HC. How about the Giants and Vikings? I would take those seasons after 5 consecutive less than 9 win seasons. Everyone wants the ending without having to go through the journey. Peyton at the cost of 2 first rounders may not be it. I wouldn't be past a Reich hire or Reich/Wilks combination and continue to watch us rise out of the MESS that was the Rhule era. I miss being excited on a weekly basis more than anything. 2003 and 2015 were fun, but so were the other years where we had a chance.

I know the trade here won't happen, but...... If we could work our way up to #5 and grab a QB..... Free Agency: Find a bridge QB, TE, and resign Boz/Foreman, and a veteran DT. We need a DE, CB, and LB depth out of this draft. If Williams is healthy he can compete for the #2-3 CB. Move Chinn back to OLB. Start the T'oo T'oo train. Joseph is a heady safety, Tippmann is the perfect IOL for us. Can play center, but also 6'6 315lbs, can play G or RT as well. Having him and Mayes provides great depth at the interior. Schoonmaker is a perfect blocking TE, but I would also throw a bag at either Irv Smith Jr. or Gilseki during free agency. Cut Ian Thomas and Eflin. The rest of our picks provide quality depth. McIntosh could be a legit homerun threat at RB.