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The Panthers will finish with at least 7-8 wins. So that leaves them with only two "smart" choices in my opinion: 1. Sign a reasonably priced free agent QB and see if they are better than Bryce Young in training camp - The issue is there will be very little options. There is almost no way the Colts let Daniel Jones walk. Rodgers, Flacco, and Wilson will likely retire (and is Wilson better than Bryce anyway?). Winston is under contract with the Giants for another year. That leaves Mariota, which I'm all for, but the Commanders will make a big push to keep him given Daniels' injury history. Outside of him, there is literally nobody else. 2. Stick with Bryce Young for one more year - Nobody wants this to happen, but the Panthers won't be in a position to draft one in the first round and it isn't a strong class to begin with. Mendoza, Simpson (and do we really want an Alabama QB?), and Moore will likely all be off the board by the time we pick. Bryce isn't good, but we are still 5-4. I'd rather continue to build the rest of the team than reach for a QB. Then we could set ourselves up nicely in 2027 to make a splash play if we choose. This is how we should have approached years past; stuck with Kyle Allen or Sam Darnold or Teddy Bridgewater and kept building the team until we were ready to make a splash. But every year we panicked and did something stupid. There is the idea you could throw a dart at a guy in the later arounds, but IMO this just isn't a good QB class and odds are it will be a wasted pick. I still think we need a lot of depth on the defense. I'd rather focus there.

My man didn't even read the article he linked. In this article: Like you really sourced an article where the guy literally says Bryce can't take credit for the win. Did you think I wouldn't read it? Why would anyone looking to build a "mythos" around him say he can't take credit? And how is saying something factual ie "Bryce gets his 9th career GWD" building a mythos? Game-winning drives have always been credited to QBs since the beginning of time. If you have a problem with that, blame the NFL, not the journalist.

The last thing I will say, because I'm not going down this Bryce Young rabbit hole again, especially with said poster: You guys aren't the only people who see what you see. Stop focusing on small minority of fans and voices. The media has accepted Bryce Young isn't anything more than a game-manager at best. You can literally look up "Bryce Young Franchise QB" and the only thing that pops up is that the Panthers MAY be viewing him as one, but no media outlet supports it. The vast majority of fans accept he won't ever be the guy. It is such a stupid conversation for this reason. You guys get so tripped up over such a small minority. Bryce Young SUCKS. We get it. And feel free to continue to converse about it. It is a discussion forum. Have at it. But can we just stop using words like "retard" to describe people who might not want to go as far as you all do? Or acting like you have some unique ability to see things in the game that others can't? There is no "mythos" around Bryce Young except in your head. And sometimes it helps to get off the internet. I don't think there is any Panthers fan I have met in IRL that pounds the table for Bryce Young the way some of ya'll suggest they do. And because of my job and how often I go to the games, I talk to a LOT. I'm far from the most knowledgeable football fan, but I am confident I have a good feel for how a good chunk of the city feels.

Why do you intentionally twist things that people say? Please show me in my post where I said that the media has NEVER hyped up Bryce Young. The person I was responding to said that the media has created a mythos around Bryce Young. And I asked if he can show me anything recently where the media has spoken about Bryce Young as if they are building a mythos around him. And no, I don't consider articles from before he was drafted to mean jack ish - people are wrong, including you, including myself, about prospects every year. Since the season has started, can you give me one media outlet that has deemed Bryce Young to be a franchise QB / long-term answer at the position? Don't bother responding with anything else.

But we aren't talking about how the media talked about him before he was drafted. We are talking about how the media talks about him right now.

Do you have any evidence of this? Literally the first article that pops up when you google Bryce Young right now is, "Insider says Bryce Young isn't going to be a superstar, but that's fine." Source Can you show me at least one source from a legitimate media rep that shows them building a mythos around Bryce Young? No media outlet is going to outright say Bryce sucks - he's a nice guy by all accounts. But I haven't seen anyone try and act like Bryce is anything more than he is. But maybe I'm wrong, and you can show me. And see, even me making this post will get me labeled a "Bryce Apologist", even though I have been out on him the last two seasons.

Why do we keep using this language? I really don't get it. Call me soft, that is okay. But it feels unnecessary.

It is entirely possible to defend your point without calling a bunch of people "tards". Bryce Young sucks. The vast majority of football fans acknowledge and accept this, especially on this site despite the very few who may argue otherwise, and even then, I find it is more in a "cut him some slack" kind of way and not a "he's the future of the team" kind of way. At the end of the day, if you look hard enough on the Internet, you are always going to find takes that drastically differ from what you perceive to be the truth. And nobody who's football opinion is worth listening to has argued Bryce Young is the MVP. Again, that is an example of you looking way too hard on Twitter, assuming that is something you have actually even read.

It isn't that far off. He only has 1 game this season with more than 200 passing yards, and in that one game, a lot of it came when the game was out of hand. Among qualified passers, he is 33 out of 34 QBs in Y/A. I think it is fair to say that generally speaking, his ceiling is about 150-170 passing yards. Yeah there will be aberrations but considering he's averaging 176 YPG after 38 games, how can you argue his ceiling is anything else? Only 12 times in 38 games has he cleared 200+. Cam Ward already has 5 such games this year (9 games played). Darnold had 15 in his first 2 years. Not that yards are the be all, end all. But hard to argue his ceiling (on average) is anything else.

JMO, I think it is lame as hell to publicly give up on the team and then crawl back when they win a few games. Like, how can you run a PANTHERS PODCAST and then give up on it during the season? Yes, you can argue the Panthers prior to Week 3 hadn't done anything to deserve fanfare, but nobody made them run a Panthers Podcast. They chose to. So stick with it. Instead they gave up and did so publicly. Which is well within their right - but you can't then turn around and bring it back the same season.

Did ya'll know Bryce Young isn't a good QB?

I don't know about that man. We would be picking 16th if the draft started today. We still have 2 games left against the Saints and regardless of how you feel about us - they look much worse. I'm 100% down to take a QB in the 1st, but I really doubt we will be in a position to do so. It isn't a strong class to start with.

We had PLENTY of opportunities to run the ball. Dalton's turnovers were bad, but they could have been avoided. This whole "rotating possessions" crap is not only dumb, it is LAZY. It speaks volumes about who Canales is as a head coach that he can't even make the effort to figure out when to use one or the other in a strategic way.

Exactly. I’m at the game now and I feel confident this would be a one score game with a competent HC. Literally makes no sense to not feed Dowdle.

This is the worst coach I have ever seen

Is there any other explanation for choosing Chuba over Dowdle?

How many points did the Bucs beat the Jets by? How many points did the Broncos beat the Jets by? How many points did the Steelers beat the Jets by? Its the NFL. There is a reason why 90% of point spreads don't go past 7 points.

Just so we are on the same page - you feel the Panthers haven't shown ANY improvement since Week 1 or last year?

Who said they looked great? See, that is the difference between me and you. I can acknowledge that they weren't perfect today. But I also remember how they have looked since 2018. I also remember how the season was looking after Week 2. So again, I am so sorry I am proud of a team who's literal slogan is "Keep Pounding" for doing exactly that. And I just care about winning. We have won 3 straight. I'm not going to be less excited about that just because we might lose next week or the week after. That is stupid as hell. I'm going to be happy, and I'll let the players and coaches figure out how to improve upon this performance.

Bro, you talk like I actually play for the Carolina Panthers. Sorry for being happy about my team winning. I'll let the players figure out how to get better for next week.

Is this how you live your life? Not enjoying the moment because it could POTENTIALLY get worse in the future? That's pretty sad, ngl.

Fair enough. Nothing more to discuss then. Clearly because I am lesser of a Panthers fan than you, I will admit you are right and that we all "know" how this season will play out.

Are you suggesting that Panthers fans who pay money to go to the game are less likely to follow the team closely than someone who just posts on a forum? Just want to make sure we are on the same page.

Most "realistic fans" also didn't think we would win 3 straight games after the Patriots performance So maybe we shouldn't try and create some division between "realistic" and "unrealistic" fans. We are all Panthers fans on this forum at the end of the day.

It is fascinating how different this forum is from real life. I have had a BLAST this season. Been to all 3 home games. I was out today for the game. Had a great time with friends and other Panthers fans that I have met along the way I get on this forum to celebrate Panthers football with fans who have been posting on this site for ages. Fans who have seen this team be AWFUL for a long time. We finally get to a winning record, and yet the first thing people rush to do? "IS BRYCE GOOD?" "CANALES MAKING ME MAD" But in real life? The Panthers fans I have met? Happy as hell. Having a freakin' blast. I am loving this season. First time in a long time I wake up on Monday's just SUPER excited for Panthers football later in the week.