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Look, even if the allegations are false, the idea that the Texans would have willingly played a role in it is just got damn foolish. The Texans literally benefit in no way from this and have far, far, FARRRRRRRRRR more to lose.

Fox is a very solid player and amazing depth. He actually was someone that jumped off the screen to me when Donald went down with an injury against the Seahawks. I don't think he's a guy you want as a full-time starter, but that isn't what we'll need him to do here. I loved the signing and I think he's going to do a great job helping alleviate the lack of pressure whenever we have to take Burns off the field. Our signings on defense have been fantastic this offseason. It lets us focus on (outside of QB) CB, S, and OL in the draft.

Yeah the way it is being handled is scummy as hell.

While I think a suspension is all but guaranteed based on how the NFL operates, I think it is far too early to say how likely it is Watson is traded or picked up by another team. I really don't know. People can point at Ben Roethlisberger and say hey, he stuck around and people were cool with it. But even that was a long time ago when you think about it. Times have changed and optics have changed. It is going to be very difficult for an NFL team to vouch for Watson if all of this turns out to be true. What Watson needs to happen at the very least is to get this settled before it gets to courts and hope that the DA of Houston chooses not to press charges after reviewing whatever Buzbee shows them. Innocent or guilty, if this goes to a full-blown court proceedings then that is really going to hurt his potential NFL future.

Almost certainly. No matter how the rest of this plays out, unless literally every single detail is false, then Watson is gonna get suspended. Look at what they did to Zeke who had far, far less going against him. NFL always suspends if not doing so will make them look bad.

I want Geno Atkins. Give us leadership on defense, fits perfectly with Brown, and can help mentor our younger DL.

Mariota is horrible.

I just do not envision any scenario where the Panthers allow themselves to miss out on a QB. Maybe it means we overpay, I don't know, but we are not going to sit back and watch teams take a QB ahead of us.

Apparently Buzbee has been in contact with the police. At this point I think we can eliminate the possibility that this is just some conspiracy or smear campaign. No lawyer is about to hand over knowingly false information. And considering there seems to be 9 different women, with no relations to each other, all with similar and corroborating stories? I mean. Man. I don't know how people can look at this any other way than what it clearly is. And it makes you wonder how long did Watson know about the possibility of this happening, and if it had something to do with him wanting out of Houston as much as he did?

If anything it makes it more likely we trade into the top 3. I mean if we can trade for Watson, we can absolutely put together a package for the #2 or #3 overall pick.

What the hell are you disagreeing with? People looking to reach a settlement before going to court as being a common thing is a fact. There is nothing to disagree with. Like what the heck are you talking about?

See, this is why some of you are impossible to debate with. You just take one little phrase and miss the overall point. Nobody is comparing Watson to Cosby. My point is just because someone tries to reach a settlement before suing someone doesn't mean they are lying, and to suggest otherwise makes you look like a damned fool. Learn how stuff like this actually works before talking about it, because I hate nothing more than how people just try and make it seem like victims lie and lie and lie. It rarely happens. 9 women did not just wake up and say hey, let's potentially ruin our lives by accusing Deshaun Watson of sexual assault. And the fact that this is how some of you are reacting is the EXACT reason why this toxic culture will never change and people will be taken advantage of and be afraid to speak up. You cannot preach "innocent until proven guilty" meanwhile you routinely label the victims as liars. Nobody knows the facts, so stop trying to take a side. That is all I am saying.

What does that have to do with my point? You are suggesting they are lying because they wanted to reach a settlement beforehand. I am asking you what is unusual about looking to reach a settlement before court. You sound delusional right now. Nothing is unusual about trying to reach a monetary settlement before court.

Lol dude I will literally bet you $1000 right now that this is not cleared up by the time the draft hits. Take it or leave it. You really think civil court and the NFL's investigation (which has been confirmed to be happening) is going to be done within the next month and a half? If so, I have a bridge to sell you.

It's funny how you are trying to argue "nobody knows anything" literally like a page after you called them liars/a bunch of BS lol

Answer the question. What is unusual about looking to reach a settlement before taking it to court? It literally happens all the time. Most people do not want to go to court if they can avoid it. Otherwise you are just saying ish that doesn't matter. People tried to reach settlements with Bill Cosby too. I guess that means he didn't do it either, right?

How is seeking a settlement before going to court and/or making the lawsuit public not common?

There is absolutely no way this situation is cleared up anytime before the draft. It took the NFL forever to do its investigation on Antonio Brown. You could argue they have more of an incentive to expedite that process with Watson, but it still wouldn't be finished by the draft. And the Panthers are not going to turn down trading up for a QB just to hope the Watson situation maybe clears itself. You flat-out can't trade for a player who could potentially have 9 women accusing him of harassment/assault/rape. It just isn't going to happen and I think Schefter said that before the 3rd report came out. Teams ain't about to give up hella draft capital for that, and at this point the Texans may as well wait because they aren't gonna get 50% of his value right now.

That isn't unusual. Again, victims of sexual assault typically don't want it to be known by a lot of people. That is why it takes them so long to report. It is also why it is false whenever someone suggests that lying about rape or sexual assault is something that happens a lot. It is not something that happens a lot. Studies suggest it happens about 2%-10% of the time, and even that number could be inflated because of the amount of rape accusations that are deemed as false simply due to a lack of sufficient evidence. https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/health/sexual-assault-false-reports/index.html I want to reiterate that I am not saying Watson is guilty and I am not making any matter of fact statements in regard to innocent or guilt. But I want people to be held accountable for their opinion and immediately accusing the potential victims of BSing or lying helps contribute to a very toxic culture. We need to step-back and wait it out. There are a lot of reasons why a side would want to reach a settlement before taking it to civil court. And that is also why it isn't as simple as, "well, if Watson is guilty, why didn't he take the settlement?" You could just as easily as, "why did Watson do it in the first place?" Watson, if the allegations are true, probably does not view his behavior as being bad. Much like most offenders.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Nobody is trading for Deshaun Watson. And you would have to be a fool to think that this is some conspiracy against him. And if all 9 suits end up being filed? It is a wrap. Right now our focus should be on what the Panthers will end up having to give up to move to the #3 or #2 overall pick.

Which is why it isn’t unusual when multiple women step-up at once. It’s hard accusing someone

IMO they would not dare claim there are text messages if they didn’t exist.

Also some of you need to do your research. Women lying about being raped/assaulted is FARRRR more unlikely than ya’ll make it seem. Again not saying Watson is guilty but I mean at this point we can’t judge either way.

Chump change would have been hiring an actual escort. I’m not saying this is true but nobody knows and will likely ever know. But there’s too many accusations just to brush it off

Okay but your logic is still asinine. There are teams that have a high 1st round pick every year and don't win. Does that also mean high 1st round picks don't matter? It goes both ways. There are multiple ways to build a team. Look at how well the Saints have drafted and yet they haven't made it back to the Super Bowl. Ish happens. Judging if something is a success strictly off if the team won a Super Bowl is horrendous logic.