Mage

Yeah this defense, on paper, looks amazing. No excuses for Phil Snow this year (not saying that as a slight against him because I think he did very well last year given what he had to work with, but now I think this defense needs to at least finish in the top-16).

And if Fields and Jones end up being busts? Look, I get what you are saying and I'm not saying any of this directed at you, just in general because it is a common theme on this site lately. But the draft is a crapshoot. There are so many ways this could play out. 1) Horn busts, Darnold succeeds, Fields succeeds 2) Horn succeeds, Darnold busts, Fields busts 3) Horn succeeds, Darnold busts, Fields busts 4) Horn busts, Darnold succeeds, Fields busts So on and so forth. It isn't like we're the only team that passed on Fields. And look, I LIKE Fields, but I also think it is telling that it was the team that was BY FAR the most desperate in the NFL that traded up for Fields. NFL teams were clearly a lot more down on Fields than fans/analysts were, and that should speak volumes. People said the same thing about Haskins and how he fell and how the Giants screwed up. And yeah, Daniel Jones hasn't been good, but he's been better than Haskins. At the end of the day, as hard as it is, we need to just be patient. Nobody knows what is going to happen. And the idea that the team should just blindly throw darts at the QB position until it works out is how you end up with a terrible team. I love the Horn pick. We've had a horrible secondary for what feels like forever; even when Norman was here, it was only held together by veterans and band-aids. And yeah, if Fields works out, it will sting. But that isn't a guarantee. We just gotta wait and see. But everyone lamenting it as a huge mistake must think that good prospects always work out and that just isn't the case. The fact is, out of the 5 QBs in the 1st round, at least 2 in all likelihood will bust. I doubt that is Trevor, leaving Wilson/Fields/Jones/Lance. 1 is going to be Lance. Not sure about the other... sounds crazy but I like Jones' chances in New England under Beli/McD a LOT more than I do Fields in Chicago.

This logic is dumb as hell.

People complain that our DBs suck every year... complain when we spend a 1st round pick on improving it. Jaycee Horn is a damn good player. I slightly prefer Surtain but ya'll hating on this pick overrating

Panthers are not taking Mac Jones

If they want to give us a future 1st, then I'm all ears. Otherwise, hell no. EDIT - Actually, nah. Not even a future 1st, considering the Bears could definitely make the playoffs. Not sure a 20th overall pick this year and another 20s pick next year would be worth giving up the 8th overall pick.

Quentin Nelson just got his picked up. Lots of good players still haven't had theirs picked up. I read a lot of NFL teams were moving their feet slow on it because this is the 1st offseason where the 5th-year option, if you pick it up, will be guaranteed no matter what. It used to be guaranteed only in the event of injury. So I think behind the scenes we were probably trying to see if we could reach a long-term contract beforehand.

Seems like a great guy but with the game on the line, dude doesn't have it in him to get the job done. It was painful to watch.

Pitts is not making it to #8.

The fact is 99% of college QBs, even the good ones, aren't making multiple reads on most throws. I've seen plenty of plays where Jones had no issue moving to his 2nd or 3rd read. Jones, mechanically, is just so far ahead of Lance. Lance has a very high ceiling, and by all accounts has a great football IQ, so I do think it could work out for him. But Jones is just more impressive on tape to me.

Panthers are in love with Fields

He’s underrating his arm strength but I do agree Lance is very overhyped/overrated. I’d rather have Mac Jones tbh. 100% agree on his playing speed.

I thought Shaq was fine last year.

People just be saying stuff sometimes lol

I'd love Smith. I think he's a HOFer. Weight is somewhat worrisome but it didn't hinder Marvin Harrison, who is his best comp. Or Torry Holt.

...okay? What does the Panthers OL have to do with what you said and my response?

Fans talk about smokescreens FAR more than teams actually do it, I'd bet. I strongly doubt the Panthers, a week or so before the draft, are still wasting time and resources like sending Brady to a pro day for a prospect they aren't actually interested in.

Chargers OL sucks.

I am pretty damn confident in saying that Waddle will not be as good as Tyreek Hill.

I don't mind a WR at #8, but I don't think he's (Waddle) better than Chase or Smith. And I'd be really concerned about him staying healthy. I think he's going to be a solid player but I just wouldn't take him over the other guys I expect to be available. Personally, I'd be shocked if we took him at #8 without at least looking into trading down first.

RB, C, OG, DT, LB Only reason TE isn’t included is because of Kyle Pitts

He’s gonna play the same role, label doesn’t matter with him

Yep. Usually the idea of a tight end in the 1st would make me furious, but Pitts is different. Barring injury and barring work ethic issues, he is as much of a guarantee of a great player as there ever is. He's just not even fair, and I'd love to have him on our team and not the Falcons.

It is possible that the Panthers and Broncos could swap 1st round picks as part of the trade.

Moore can ball. His ability to make plays deep is extremely underrated, and unfortunately hasn't been showcased enough. There is a reason why the Panthers moved fast to get rid of Teddy. I'm telling you. Under any scenario where we don't re-sign Moore, we are going to regret it, big time.