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Bryce fumble incoming.

I could cry. This is embarrassing.

I guarantee you he will last more than 3 seasons in the NFL, even if it is as a back-up QB. To think otherwise is just being ignorant. Clausen wasn't even good enough to be a back-up. We're talking about a guy who threw 7 TDs in 14 starts. Young has already surpassed that. Again anyone who says otherwise just didn't watch or doesn't remember how awful Clausen was. He was an all-time bad QB. Like over the entire history of the NFL. Bryce Young is just regular bad. It's like asking Mark Sanchez vs Jimmy Clausen... yeah, Sanchez sucked, but he won't Clausen bad.

Bryce has sucked but even at his worst, he's still way better than Clausen. The only way this is a debate for anyone is if they didn't see Clausen play. Bryce has looked like your usual bad QB (although I have not given up on him). Jimmy looked like an all-time bad QB. Huge difference IMO. To this day I really don't know how many QBs I'd say were worse than Clausen? And keep in mind Clausen sucked with what was a solid supporting cast. Steve Smith, rookie LaFell is better than anyone we have sans Thielen, Stewart (Williams was hurt), Gettis too, OL was good... Clausen was just so bad. There is a reason he only played 3 seasons. I'm convinced he could lead just about any team to the No. 1 Overall Pick. Just about any QB trait you could think of, Clausen was the worst. IQ? Accuracy? Arm Strength? Mobility? Awareness? Leadership? Clausen was a 0/10 across the board.

Coaching matters a lot. Rams got themselves out of a hole just by hiring Sean McVay You never know. NFL changes so fast. But I feel confident that turnaround ain't happening with Reich.

97 yards in the 1st half, 45 on one play We are getting out-played by Tyson Bagent, on the team we traded our 2024 1st round pick to LMFAO

Easily Foreman. He is a must-start this week IMO. And he'd be a flex-candidate even if Herbert was playing, which he isn't. We are giving up 120 yards, 4.8 YPC, and 1.3 TDs per game against RBs this season. And we probably aren't shutting out the Bears and he is their best red-zone runner, so he should be good for at least one TD tonight. I think you have to play him. Bears run defense is damn good and Panthers are a pass-heavy team. We are more likely to abandon the run than we are to stay committed to Hubbard. We also suck in the red-zone and in short-yardage so a Hubbard TD isn't as likely as a Foreman one. I think even if Herbert ends up playing, Foreman should be good for 10 touches or so.

16-13, Bears

Personally, I'm good on finding out what more damage he could do with a 4th offseason. Plenty of other candidates out there I'd rather take a chance on.

NGL I'd rather have Matt Rhule as a HC than Scott Fitterer as a GM.

Panthers suck.

I don't think we are allowed to have more than 1 good offensive lineman.

I mean Jared Goff sucked with Jeff Fisher. It was a bad situation. Yeah sure ideally you draft Peyton Manning's at No. 1, but that isn't realistic. But it isn't unprecedented for a No. 1 pick to need a different environment to succeed.

Is there any evidence for anything that has been said in this thread? Or are we just speculating? I'm not defending Tepper as an owner. Clearly the positive results haven't been there. But I'm also not a fan of stating things as facts without any supporting evidence or inside knowledge. What is the most credible source that has come out and said, "Tepper pushed for Bryce Young over who Reich and Fitterer wanted"? It just feels like a way to absolve Reich and Fitt from blame. The fact is all of them deserve criticism for everything that has happened. Unfortunately only 2 can be fired.

I'm tired of taking turns firing GMs and HCs. If we fire Fitt (and we should), then we need to fire Reich too. Start over completely. Have the next GM have a big say in the next HC.

Bryce is trash

Exactly. I am not bashing Reich to try and prop up Young. Maybe Young ends up not being the guy... but this performance just isn't acceptable no matter what. Teams with bad QBs find a way to look better than this, especially when they are playing a league worst NFL defense. Again, the Vikings put up 30 with Dobbs. Falcons 28 with Heineicke. Bucs 37 with Mayfield. If there is any hope in Bryce, it won't be found with Frank Reich as the HC and I am SUPER confident in that. And this is coming from someone who was one of the last to give up on Ron Rivera and Matt Rhule. I have a lot of patience. But Reich is clearly in over his head. He sucks.

Bro, in 2023 your offense shouldn't be this bad. Even the PJ Walker led Browns put up 39 points on the Colts. And it isn't like this is Reich's first rodeo. He got fired from Indy for a reason. Maybe Bryce isn't good, but even if he isn't, this type of performance isn't acceptable. Frank Reich is a bad HC.

Defenses don't "fear" Gardner Minshew and yet the Colts offense has been productive under him. Ya'll so fixated on talking about Bryce Young that you all are ignoring how the team looks way worse than they did under Rhule. That falls on the head coach. Hell, the Vikings put up 30 points with a QB they acquired just this week. Even if your QB is bad, your team shouldn't look THIS bad.

How is benching Bryce going to fix the run game or the defense or the OL, all of which have regressed under Reich? I'm not even trying to get into a debate about Bryce. But this entire team, top to bottom, looks worse than it ever did under Matt freakin' Rhule. Reich is TERRIBLE.

Either way, Reich is the HC and it is his team. And this team looks worse all across the board. I had more faith when Matt Rhule was the HC.

When do we accept Frank Reich sucks?

Same scheme, so it doesn't matter. Reich's scheme is dog-SHHHH.

Garbage referees. I'm done with the NFL.