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I'm not defending the job Thomas Brown did as an OC here. But I'll just say this 1) There is a lot of evidence of guys being FAR worse here than they are in other places. Coaches and players included. Brown still may have a very bright future. 2) Thomas Brown is only 37 years old and was an assistant head coach under Sean McVay (the type of coach every team pursues nowadays) for a team that won a Super Bowl. Even if he was white, he would be getting HC interviews. Teams will pursue any notable assistant under McVay.

My concern would be that Dorsey's work has been with Cam and Allen. Two QBs with a whole different set of traits than Bryce. I'd prefer a QB coach who has experience working with QBs similar to Bryce in skill-set or in the kind of offense that makes the most sense for him.

Honestly Greg Roman would be far and away our best OC in years. He has his flaws but I'd actually be happy to have him here as an OC. At least to help us reset and get us to being somewhat competitive on offense.

That is a great comparison.

... but why does it have to be one or the other? You can value both things. Caring about football doesn't stop you from caring about an ill family member. Nobody (reasonable) actually thinks football is more important than human lives. You can care about both in different ways.

Lol this is actually funny. I've agreed with you plenty of times... but sure. If that is what you want to believe. That the reason I want Halaby is because it would make you mad, not because he comes from one of the best front offices in drafting and signing talent in the NFL.

Believe it or not, it is possible to be passionate about both.

Why are you assuming I didn't? This organization has been hiring "football" people for how long now? And what has it gotten us? 3 winning seasons since 2010? So maybe the Panthers should switch it up and try someone different. I'm willing to take the risk on Halaby's supposed issues considering he's coming from what has been one of the best and most talented teams in the NFL since 2017. At the end of the day nobody knows how these guys will actually turn out.

"Some" But you are right. I wouldn't want our organization to be like Philly's. We should pass on Halaby to make sure that doesn't happen.

Yeah, I sure would hate for our organization to be like the Philadelphia Eagles.

I want Halaby

That would be a better fit for him. I don't think he's a bad coach, but he ain't a good coach for us. He needs a team that is already playoff ready (ie Cowboys).

Why do people want Dan Quinn? He couldn't turn the Falcons into a consistent winner and he had a franchise QB there. The Super Bowl year was driven by Kyle Shanahan. We'd have to be the dumbest organization out there to fire Frank Reich just to hire Dan Quinn. Oh wait, we are the dumbest organization out there.

Also Jalen Hurts went to the Super Bowl last year and is only 25 years old. Tua isn't perfect, but he's coming off two strong seasons. Yeah, he benefits from the talent around him, but most of the top QBs have high-end talent around them. Also only 25 years old. Those two are the furthest thing from being "flops".

A good player is a good player. A bad player is a bad player. People put way too much stock in the school someone played for. The fact is it isn't easy playing QB in the NFL. The only reason you can think of so many Alabama and Ohio State QB busts is because they put so many QBs in the NFL in the first place (which makes sense because they get the best prospects out of HS). No school is consistently churning out great NFL QBs.

but he's only looking at analytical GMs!!!

My #1 GM candidate

Todd Monken or Mike Macdonald (my #2 overall behind Ben Johnson) I'm just not a fan of these other options. Ben Johnson is my #1 but I don't see that happening. Monken is older, which hurts him, but he's got great experience in the pro and college game. That should help with his ability to develop players because he's familiar with different styles and ways of getting guys involved. Even in Tampa, he did a great job (I won't blame him for Jameis being a turnover-machine). And he's worked under two great leaders in Harbaugh and Smart. Macdonald I feel could be a culture-setter, and like Monken, has worked under great leaders. And I just get a vibe that his teams will be tough. I mean just look at him. I don't want to hire an offensive coach for the sake of saying we have one. Callahan and Canales would be blah hires. I wouldn't hate Frank Smith... but I wouldn't feel good about it working out. Feels like you'd be taking a huge gamble that he isn't just riding Mike McDaniels' coattails. And please no retreads

I'll wait and see how this plays out first. No guarantee this is what is going to happen, and even if it is, it all just depends on the hires. Are we going to like the GM less just because he got hired after the HC? Or vice versa? I don't think anyone actually knows and is just spit-balling. But we'll see. We'd be far from the first team to go HC first then GM.

2023 is easily worse than 2010. 2010 Panthers was an okay team with a terrible rookie QB. 2023 Panthers was a terrible team with a terrible rookie QB. I mean look at the 2010 Panthers offensive line alone. Gross, Wharton, Kalil, Schwartz, hell even Garry Williams was actually good that year IIRC. 2007-2013 era Panthers is such a wasted period of crazy talent. We had soooo many good players. Then Delhomme's elbow exploded. 2011 and 2012 had so many soul-crushing losses. 2013 team got unlucky running into the 49ers in the playoffs. By 2014 our secondary was awful and the OL looked to be in shambles with Gross retired, plus no Steve Smith. That team had no business in the playoffs.

I'm cool with Mike Macdonald. Love everything I read about him.

DJ Moore scored 8 TDs with Justin Fields. Why are we acting like the dude can't score? TDs for WRs is dependent on skill-set, sure, but it is also dependent on scheme and luck. Hell, Justin Jefferson had 184 targets in 2022 and "only" scored 8 TDs. Is he not the best WR in football?

I know nothing about the likelihood of the GM candidates working out, but if I was going to back anyone it would be Alec Halaby. Philadelphia has routinely been one of the most talented teams in the NFL and one of the best at wheeling and dealing. I'd bet he's learned a thing or two there.

At the end of the day, all that matters is if you are good at your job. It doesn't matter if you are a "roster builder" GM or an "analytics" GM. And across the NFL you are seeing more analytically-driven decisions by teams. Hell, Ryan Poles, who has gotten the Bears into the perfect spot, is an analytics guy. It really doesn't matter what side of the table you lean on, as long as you are good at whatever it is you preach.

SOOOO many people on this site were adamant he wasn't a #1 WR lol