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I don't care what he does off the field. I do wonder how healthy his eating habits are though.

Insane. There is a very real scenario where one day soon the top 4 WRs will all be LSU guys.

How often do you see teams straight up release quality offensive tackles? He doesn't have much of an injury history and at only 30 years old could very well have 3-4 more good years left in him. They will extend him.

That is one WR. And Bryce made sure to get Thielen involved.

Or maybe, just maybe, we have receivers who can't get open?

Bryce had a lot of problems. He still has a lot of issues he needs to fix. But even when I turned my back on him, one thing I've ALWAYS been consistent about is his size is NOT the issue people make it out to be. His issues were issues I've seen 6'5ft guys have. His lack of size stops him from being able to compensate for those issues like Cam Newton could, but they weren't size-related issues if that makes sense. I still need to see more out of him next season, but his size is the last thing on my mind.

I have seen this said many times. Where are people getting this? He only has 3 years of being a DC. The one year in Denver, they were 10th in rush yards allowed and 11th in YPC. That is a solid run defense.

Imagine saying this like you proved a point.

I understand why people are frustrated, but I think this is an okay decision. Put all your focus on improving the talent on this defense, give Evero another chance to do his thing.

Imagine your young QB giving you his best performance before a long offseason and complaining about it lol

He averaged 10 his last 2 years in Minnesota. It is exactly representative of the WR he is currently. Nobody is saying that. But the guy I responded to tried suggesting Thielen was as explosive as Evans because of a one-game sample. And my response was that over a much larger sample, we see the kind of player Thielen is. And that is a possession receiver who gets relatively short gains. Again, we're comparing small sample sizes to large sample sizes. Thielen has 54 targets this year. Lamb has 152. Smith has 89. Higgins has 104. Hill has 120. Thielen almost certainly would not be maintaining a 13.3 YPC average if he was at 100+ targets, unless we're going to completely ignore the seasons before. But again, to clarify, nobody is suggesting YPC is the be all, end all. Thielen is a fine receiver. But he's not being "held back".

Lol

You do realize Thielen barely averages 10 yards per catch over the last 4 years... right? And I wouldn't call Evans a YAC guy either, although certainly more capable of it than Thielen.

If Thielen can produce with Bryce, then I'm sure a legitimate #1 WR can as well.

Hubbard had only 4 fewer carries on 3rd and short than Derrick Henry did. He had as many as Bijan Robinson and 2 fewer than Josh Jacobs.

Damn this roster is bad.

I respect your opinion, but I'm not sure I buy it. Context matters, and I'm not sure that there is any statistical or visual evidence to support your claim that Canales wouldn't try to establish the run when we held a lead. Besides the fact the team didn't play with a lead often. I can't find any numbers that would show our run % when we did have the lead, but Andy Dalton only had 27 pass attempts when we held a lead. Bryce Young had 55. So again we just weren't running a lot of plays in general with a lead, certainly not enough to come to the conclusion that Canales isn't willing to run the ball when we are in a position to do so. Hell, in general, we are 32nd in plays ran. It is why we are both 26th in rush attempts and 18th in pass attempts. So it isn't like our run/pass split is that far off. At the end of the day, as I made a list of in the last thread this came up in, you can have the intention of doing something but be unable to do it because of team limitations. How can you be a top running team in attempts when you give up the most points in the NFL? In Kyle Shanahan's first season with the 49ers, they were 22nd in rush attempts, but nobody would dare accuse Shanahan of not wanting to establish the run. In Campbell's 1st season in Detroit, they were 21st. They have become one of the most run heavy teams over the last 3 years. Go down the list of teams who were last in points allowed and see how often they ran the ball. Other than the ones with running QBs like Justin Fields, all of them were near the bottom in rush attempts. And don't get this twisted: I'm not trying to argue Canales is some great play-caller. I agree his play-calling can be suspect. But I think it is unfair to blame him for our lack of run attempts while ignoring the circumstances that would explain why we didn't run the ball even more. Now if you want to blame him for those circumstances (bad defense, no RB2, horrible passing game), feel free as he is the HC and that is his responsibility. In my opinion, Canales suffers more from a lack of creativity, not an unwillingness to run the ball.

I doubt the Panthers have held a lead for more than a total of 10 quarters this year.

Hard to be a running football team when you give up the most points in the NFL.

At the end of the day, this team blows and bringing in another QB to fail won't get us anywhere.

Then they won't trade him IMO. He's only 24 and still under contract, you don't trade a caliber of his player for less than 1st. I think they get about the same value as Minnesota did for Diggs.

In our situation, I wouldn't trade for him. It will take at least a first round pick. We would be better off pursuing Tee Higgins. But I do think he's a very good WR.

If I had to guess, people don't talk about it much because it would probably be better than it is if our pass game wasn't so mid. Even in the games Bryce looked better, our pass game still didn't and doesn't threaten a single soul out there. It just isn't good enough. It also doesn't help that we don't have anybody behind Hubbard. Hubbard is good, but unless you have one of the top dogs like Barkley and Henry, you need a quality back-up. Remember when Stewart would be having a bad day, but Williams was going off? And vice versa? Sometimes a different back can create different results. When Hubbard isn't getting it done (for whatever reason - not blaming him necessarily), then that is just it for our run game. Bucs have that going on right now with Bucky Irving / Rachaad White. But mostly I just think it is a result of the pass game not being good enough, the receivers not threatening DBs enough, and quite frankly Bryce Young still being a limited QB. Certainly improving (despite the performance today), but still limited. We're also for whatever reason getting nothing out of the tight end position.

6 straight double-digit losing seasons

THIS DEFENSE IS NOT BEATING THE ALLEGATIONS