tukafan21

I didn't say celebrating 4-7 win seasons, I said celebrating 4-7 wins each season. Those are two VERY different things. My point is I'm sick of trying to celebrate 4 to 7 times each season when we win. That's not fun, it's more frustrating than fun by a level that can't be accurately put into words. It's been almost a decade since we've had a winning season, but sure, go on celebrating those handful of wins each year while sticking your head in the sand towards the issues this team has, see where that gets you.

See, that's the difference. You see what posters like me are saying as "complaining", but we're not complaining, we're calling out what we're seeing on the field and saying why it concerns us moving forward. If you don't see the difference there, then there isn't much else I can say. We're sick of celebrating our 4-7 wins every year, we want to see ACTUAL success, and if we're not improving on the field, then that's something we're going to voice our concerns over.

Then sign someone, very different than trading for someone. We can't be giving up draft picks, no matter what round, for players who aren't going to help us beyond this season. Jameis is my only exception because I think he has a good enough arm to help the development of our pass catchers. I don't think there is another QB who could be acquired in a trade that would do that as well as him, so I'm not okay with giving up draft picks for any of them.

For twisted ankles yes, but he got stepped on, which would probably make the concern about a fracture which would show up on an X-Ray.

We're not solving our future QB solution with a mid season trade. So what good does it do to give up draft picks for a guy who might get us 3 wins the rest of the year instead of the 1 that Dalton would bring us?

Not where it matters. Yes, our defense has improved this year (although, it would have basically been impossible for it not to). But I honestly see zero improvement on the offensive side of the ball, and in particular, the play calling would be lucky if it's stayed the same, if anything it has actually regressed. In today's NFL, you're not going to make the playoffs with an offense like ours and you'll never regularly be in competitive games against good teams either. THAT is what is frustrating those of us voicing these concerns, and it's why we're not going to get all excited and celebrate wins that we know are only coming because how bad our opponents are. We're seeing things that are going to get us killed when we play against good teams, which is basically the rest of our schedule outside of the Saints.

I didn't have any expectations this year for our record, I was also very clear from before the season ever started, I didn't care what our record was. I cared about what I actually saw on the field, I wanted to see improvement across the board, but in particular, the offensive play calling and Bryce's play. Both of those things have regressed. That so many fans are excited about winning while our offense continues to make the same mistakes we've made for 3 years with Bryce and the 2 years since Canales showed up, is absolutely baffling to me. YOU'RE the fans who have given up, because you blow your load over ugly wins just because of how bad we've done in the past. You don't care about actually improving as a team and ever having a chance at contending or even just making the playoffs. You're basically playing fantasy football in real life and get super excited when you get garbage time production, as those points are just as equal to any others. So to you, winning is just as good no matter how it comes and no matter what the lack of improvement means for the future of the team.

Sorry for being frustrated about my team looking like dog poo today, because win or not, they did and if you can’t objectively see that, then it’s a you problem, not a me problem.

Then that’s false confidence. if your confidence gets built up when you play like about, just because you got a win because the other team was that much more inept than you, then you’re in bigger trouble than you think.

is this how you live life? Celebrating being below average just because someone else was worse? Besides the win in the standings, what about today’s game was worth celebrating? Sure, I’ll give you Horn’s picks and Brown’s play, but even that came against the most inept offense in a league that still has the Cleveland Browns in it, which is saying something.

So to be clear, if we finish the season 7-10 with a whole bunch of blowout losses because we’re still making the same mistakes and poor play calling, so closing out 3-7 the rest of the way… Will you still have enjoyed the season and be excited for our future? If so, then congrats to you for being able to enjoy the season, but I also feel bad for you because to me, it means you’ve given up on us ever being a good franchise and contending again. Our past is a sunk cost, I just don’t understand why fans are happy with poor play that results in wins over bad teams, just because of how bad we’ve been in the past. We won the games because the other teams were worse than us, not because we played better, sorry if that doesn’t pump me up to watch us play poorly but squeak out a win in what will end up another season with a losing record.

It's most definitely not a high ankle since the injury seemed to be when he got stepped on, don't think you can get a high ankle sprain without twisting/rolling the ankle

Unless that QB is named Jameis, I have no interest in any other QB this year. Jameis is the type who can help your young weapons get better as he can make any throw, even though he'll also end up costing you games as well. But we can't be giving up more assets for QBs that won't solve anything for us. Jameis at least would be worth whatever we have to give up because of how much it will help our WRs and TEs

So the player the entire fan base agrees was a home run draft pick, has something to work on during his rookie season, and because of that you're going to dismiss anything I say about the actual lack of improvement by the coaching staff and QB play? That's just dumb, very very dumb.

So you want to celebrate just not being the worst team in the league? That to you is a good thing and worth celebrating? For fug's sake, this is why this franchise has one of the worst fan bases ever, we just want to not be the worst team and that's good enough for us.

I get it, but honestly, responses like this just frustrate me and showcase why we're such a bad franchise (and fan base). We can't be celebrating bad wins just because they're wins, that's not going to actually improve the franchise's outlook. Show actual on field improvement in a loss and I'm going to celebrate that 100 out of 100 times over showing regression on the field in wins against the worst teams in the league. And that's not me asking for losses, show improvement in a win and it's even better. Just saying that I'd rather lose in a game we show improvement than win games where we actually regress as a team, and I don't understand why that's controversial to say.

Because we've played 3 of the worst teams in the entire league the past 3 weeks. The Jets and Dolphins literally might be the 31st and 32nd best teams in the league, while the Cowboys have literally the worst defense in the NFL. And we just eked by with wins in each of those games, if you actually think that's showing growth, then I don't know what to say.

I think I'm going to start taking screenshots of the people saying we should just be celebrating wins anytime we get them. Then in a few weeks after we get smashed by good teams like the Bills and Packers, go and find the posts they're making complaining about our coaching decisions and play calling by those exact same posters. Because you know it's going to happen.

I don't think winning when looking like poo and making the same mistakes we always make is taking baby steps, it's just spinning your tires while stuck in the mud. Growing pains by definition involve actually growing, something we can't seem to do under Canales, week after week of the same problems, that's not growth, it's a problem.

Exactly, I had no issue with using T-Mac mostly as a decoy today because of the matchup with Sauce, sometimes that's the best use of your top WR in a game like this. But once he left the game, I'm not even sure if T-Mac saw a single target the rest of the game. It doesn't matter that we won the game, if you can't objectively look at that and realize it's poor coaching decisions, then you just don't know football, at all. This will always be taken the wrong way because it's me saying it about T-Mac, but that doesn't mean it's not 100% correct.

Not even the slightest, because we'd still not have looked good. I've said it before, I'm not going to just enjoy wins where we look like dog poo because of our play calling, I'm going to call it out every time. If you honestly think Canales called a good game today, then you don't know a single thing about football. We won the game, but we didn't look good doing so. You're someone who says to stop crying and enjoy the win, but I'll bet you're also going to be the same person who is complaining the next few weeks when we're getting beat by actual good teams while we're playing the EXACT same way we played today.

Credit where credit is due, he had a great game. But I still don't trust him purely from a mental side of things, he has the worst football IQ I can remember seeing from a player of ours in recent memory. Personally, if I'm Morgan, I'm calling up WR needy teams after this game and trying to trade him, just like we should have done last year with Bryce when he had some trade value still.

Barely won against the literal 2 worst teams in the league right now and the 3rd team has the league's worst defense which allowed us to win that game. Not really sure that's the thing to be bragging about, we're about to go up against some real heavy hitters. If we keep doing the same stuff, we're about to get blown out in a whole bunch of games.

5 targets for your best player when you threw it 31 times is just crazy talk, especially after Sauce left the game early. But I'm not even upset about that as much as I am upset with Canales' overall play calling again, just right back to stale and predictable. The weird part though is we randomly have some great play designs that scheme players wide open, why are we only able to do that one or two times a game?

Does Canales run it here or play for the win and throw it?