tukafan21

It seems like they hit a grand slam with Puka and have him for 4 years on a super cheap contract, I'd be shocked to see them even consider trading him. Maybe I'm wrong and they see their window closing on Stafford and maybe they'd trade Puka and a 1st for Burns and Chark so they still have a useable WR this year. But just being honest, I'm not sure that would be a good trade for us, I don't think Puka is the WR we need, we need a true outside #1, preferably someone with some wheels on them. Puka is essentially a younger Thielen in the way he plays, that's not what we need to give Bryce since Thielen is playing that role at an elite level right now. I'd still probably do the trade if we had a chance, maybe we can get an additional mid round pick in return by including Chark or TMJ as well, but I don't think it should be our first choice of how to use Burns in a trade if we can help it.

Oh, you mean like right here where I clearly addressed the Smith suggestion in detail, about why it's both unrealistic right now but there is a small path to it being realistic in the offseason, with real-life reasons as to why that would be the case?

Stop making pie-in-the-sky, madden-esque suggestions and we'll see.

haha yea, easy for us to say, but like I also said, not sure that would even get it done anyways. I think to get it done we'd probably need a second 1st rounder in there, which while it actually might be "fair value" for a player like Jefferson, not sure I could ever justify two 1sts on top of Burns and another mid round pick or two for the honor of paying out the biggest WR contract in NFL history. We just still have too many holes and would be better served trading Burns elsewhere and using that 2024 1st on a WR on a rookie deal.

It was the Madden comment, the same thing I say all the time about you, that you only talk about things as if it's a real life game of Madden, never anything realistic because you severely lack an understanding of things like the cap and what real life NFL teams are trying to do (like your Fields idea, that's Madden, not real life)

The first and easy answer is that they won't trade him. But for shits and giggles, a realistic trade for him would likely look something like Burns, 2025 1st, 2024 2nd, and maybe even another day 2 pick... and I'm not even sure that would get it done.

LOL best pot calling the kettle black moment in the history of message boards

LOL this is just a no on so many levels Adams would be so unhappy here, you don't trade for a player who is unhappy losing on a better team than ours. The Raiders are NOT trading their first round pick next year for the right to pay a monster contract to a pass rusher when they have a better pass rusher already on the roster and might need that draft pick to take a new QB.

Jefferson isn't being traded, period. Diggs would be a chernobyl level disaster. While I absolutely love the player he is, the guy is constantly throwing fits because Josh Allen can't get him the ball enough to make him happy, do you really think Bryce is going to be able to do a better job? And that's not to even mention that he hates losing, it's just a bad bad bad fit for us at this time, despite how good of a player he is. Smith COULD be interesting, but it won't happen during the season. The Eagles are clearly legitimate SB contenders, they aren't trading Smith during this season. But come the offseason, I could see a scenario where they trade him to get picks instead of giving him a monster contract extension seeing as they already have Brown on a big deal and will likely need a new one after next season as well. I doubt they move him, but he very well could fall into that same category as Higgins where a contending team just can't put THAT much money into WR contracts and needs to move him because of that.

That's why I think it's more just internal discussions about trying to go after someone as opposed to even the slightest beginning of trade talks with another team. I'd LOVE to get Williams, I just don't see how we could get it done. The only way would be Burns + Chark or TMJ for Williams and draft picks, but I still struggle to see them wanting to pay Burns and then have to do Hutchinson after next offseason too. Metchie seems more doable seeing how Tank Dell has come on for them this year, but I don't think they're giving up on their 2nd round pick last year for like a 5th or 6th, which is really all I'd be comfortable giving up to get him, and he is far from "very notable" anyways, so doubt that's what is being referred to here. Our best bet to get a #1 right now is Higgins, don't think there really is even another remotely legitimate option during the season. Our next best chance would be hoping there is a Tyreek or AJ Brown type of scenario this offseason, where a team just doesn't want to give a new contract to an elite WR and they become available in a trade that way.

Would Courtland Sutton be considered "very notable"? As he's someone I'd love to go after, might not be that true #1, but I think he'd be a significant upgrade over Chark on the outside

This season is no longer about trying to contend, it has 1 goal and only 1 goal, to expedite Bryce's development. I'm good with overpaying to get a WR to help with that, but it has to be someone who is young, can be kept long term, and most importantly WANTS to be here. We can't get stuck with a diva WR who is unhappy with losing and it spreading like a cancer to the rest of the team, particularly the offense and Bryce.

The only "notable WR" that could even be a realistic target for us is Higgins, anyone else and it's just internal discussions that won't go anywhere. Adams is unhappy losing, he wouldn't be okay coming here, Jeudy isn't good enough to be a "very notable WR", I know we asked about Watson but GB isn't trading him, Hollywood will cost us too much for someone who is a FA after the season (and also isn't likely "very notable"). Unless we're talking to someone completely unexpected (like the Watson interest was) then I can't imagine this being anything more than the team internally wanting to go after someone who we either don't have the ammo to get or isn't a realistic trade target for us anyways.

I feel like Chinn's usage is maybe this staff's biggest blunder so far. The guy is so talented, was runner up in ROY, and we just refuse to put in on the field in a contract season for him. There is a 0% chance he'll re-sign with us even though I feel like he might be one of our best players on defense (Burns, Brown, Luvu are really the only players I'd for sure rank over him). Just a huge swing and a miss by this staff and now his trade value has been destroyed by his injury, we'd be lucky to get a late 5th for him at this point, such a shame but I think we have to take anything offered, even a 7th, as he's NOT coming back next year with how we've used him, gotta get something for him.

I think people overestimate how many actual good CBs there are in the league these days. Donte, even with his struggles, is likely still one of the top 30-40 CBs in the NFL, maybe even better than that. So yea, seeing as Horn can't stay on the field, he kinda is too valuable to trade away or else we'll be starting even worse players at corner.

That isn't the most difficult thing for good coaches to teach out of a player of William's caliber, especially since a big reason he holds onto the ball too long in college is because he's usually able to get away with it because of how good he is.

Every QB listed there gets us a win in the Falcons, Saints, and Vikings games at minimum and would have had us in the Seattle game, hell, Dalton had us in that one for much of the game. And the point isn't about what other QB's would do with our roster. It's that we gave up far too much for a QB of Bryce's max potential.

If we didn't make the trade, we would have a 1st round pick on our team from this year's draft and our first next year. The literal definition of giving up 2 firsts for him If it makes you feel better to say we gave up a first and two 2nd's to move up in the draft to take him, sure, go ahead and say it that way, but it's just semantics at that point, we still gave up 2 firsts to get the pick.

He's the right fit for that offense and it's helping him put up stats, but are you really saying there aren't 10 QBs in this league that you'd take instead of him? Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Hurts, Herbert, Tua, Lawrence, Jackson are 8 QB's currently playing that I'd take over Goff as just players without a second thought (not considering specific fit of QB within an offense and weapons, which is why I think Goff is successful right now). That doesn't include Rodgers, who if you count him, you're clearly taking over Goff. Cousins, Geno, Stafford, Dak would all be ones that would be close and debatable. Stroud is probably not one you'd take at this very moment (although maybe some would), but in a year or two, I think is going to be a much better QB than Goff is. Watson has significantly higher upside if he can find his old game again. The point is that right now Goff is at the peak of his QB abilities and a huge reason they have maybe the best OC in the game right now, one of the best WRs, OLs (as a whole), and a great run game. Throw Bryce into that offense and he's going to be successful. When you trade away what we did, you shouldn't be trading for a Goff type of player, it should be for one of those other guys who can carry a weaker team around them to success, Goff isn't doing that and neither will Bryce. The Rams made a similar trade to move up to get Goff, and even after he was their starting QB on a team that went to a SB, they decided to give up 2 first round picks to be able to trade him for Stafford.

The problem isn't that Bryce will be fine or that he'll be a good QB in this league. It's that we gave up so much that anything less than being an elite top 10 QB in this league, it will never be worth the trade we made. You can't give up 2 Firsts, 2 Seconds, and DJ Moore for an average NFL QB, that's just not okay. His ceiling feels like what Jared Goff is right now, someone they were given 2 First round picks to take on, not traded away to get.

For what? For putting the same hypothetical trade out there that I've been yelling about for a few weeks now? That trade with the Bengals and a similar one with the Lions, Burns + Chark for Jameson Williams + 1st + 2nd or 3rd both make a ton of sense for us to make and are pretty fair trades. The problem with both is that I don't see the other side wanting to do those trades for two different reasons. The Lions will need to give Hutchinson an extension after next year, not sure they will want to pay both Burns and Hutch big money while trading away Jameson and a First, even if it would give them a better shot at making a run this year. The Bengals I think would have less of an issue paying Burns, but I don't think they want to get rid of Higgins during the season when he would be key to their SB chances and then can tag and trade him in the offseason.

Sweet baby jesus, when will people stop talking about Jeudy He's a replacement level player with a $13 million contract next season and is one of the bigger WR divas in the league right now. Nothing about him is attractive for the Panthers

Burns + TMJ to the Bengals for Higgins + 1st + 3rd Pair him back up with his LSU teammates, get us the WR and draft picks we need

LOL He's frustrated with losing, so sure, the fix of that is to trade him to the only winless team in the league and he's going to love that. I'd have no problem with him being a Panther, clearly is still a #1, but he wouldn't be happy here and it would cost us to much to get him. Unfortunately just not a good fit