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I'm talking about exactly a team like the Lions, think I even said in my post that it would be someone who thinks they're a contender who would make a trade like this. I also think it almost would be more likely to get a team to do a 2025 2nd and 2026 1st than a 2025 1st. We might have to throw in like a 4th or 5th to help make it happen, which I'd be fine with. That would be more for a team like the Texans, someone who thinks they can contend but still may be another year away, that way they keep their 1st next year and figure the 1st in 2026 should be at the end of the draft. To me, that would have represented them acknowledging this is a full rebuild and that they were going about it the right way, accumulate the right assets, not just the immediate ones. I think this was the best deal we got because it was the team willing to give the most money to Burns so he told the Panthers that right now, it was their only option. That's why I made the thread about the worst part of this is we'd have gotten a better return if Morgan hadn't given in so fast. Burns wasn't playing here on the tag and I think he was just done here no matter what. He'd have taken less money from a contender who would be willing to do a deal like that. We held all the cards and we let Burns dictate how the hand played out.

No, this trade is still a move that tells me they think we're closer to competing than any fan does. If they really felt we were a minimum of 3 years away, they'd have traded him for future assets instead of a 2nd in this year's draft. I'm sure a contending team would have given a 2025 1st for him, or possibly even a 2025 2nd and a 2026 1st. If we made that trade today, I'd have been very pleased, I know we need the players now, but taking higher picks further down the line would have made more sense if they really felt we were 3 years away from being even above average.

As badly as I want to replace Bryce ASAP, a small part of me wouldn't be upset if we end up with the #1 pick in a not spectacular QB draft and do what the Bears did to us, to another team. Trade the #1 pick for a massive haul to fill our many many holes and then look to replace the QB the following year. No, we may not luck into the #1 pick in a good draft like the Bears did, but that's not the only way to get a QB. If we can trade the #1 pick for essentially 4 or 5 starters like the Bears did and then still end up with a Top 10 pick the next draft because Bryce is terrible, we can draft a replacement who is coming into a more fully built out team to maximize a rookie QB contract window. Personally, I don't think Shadeur is going to be a great NFL QB and think he'll be a bust, but his star power could get a team to WAY overpay for the #1 pick if he's really the only top option out there.

Bet you thought this was going to be about the pick we just traded for........ GOTCHA Nope, just a reminder that we took Mingo with the 39th pick in the draft last year... makes you wonder what we can turn this newly acquired 39th pick in the 2024 Draft into. I honestly didn't even realize it was the same pick until I was curious who got drafted in this slot last year and just went and looked to see it was the Mingo pick. It was like getting kicked in the balls upon that realization.

Trading Burns = Rebuilding the right way.... I will give you that point, however................. We just traded Burns on HIS terms, to get HIM the best contract, not on OUR terms to get US the best return Which flips that from rebuilding the right way to continuing to cut off our nose to spite our face, yet again, because they keep trying for the quick fix, not the right fix.

Just made this post in another thread where someone asked if I was going to stop being a fan, then saw this thread and realized I needed to re-post it in here, so this is just a straight copy/paste of my other post........ There are levels of rooting though No, I don't love the Panthers any less. No, I'm not considering stopping being a fan. But for a long time, my favorite teams went as follows, with the number of dots approximating the gap of fandom between each, from "live and die with every game" for Arizona Basketball to "barely remember to check the scores" for the rest of them (like the Red Wings or Tigers). And to be clear, loving a team and fandom of them is different to me. Love is how deeply they're ingrained into your heart and soul, whereas fandom is how much you care/think about them on a daily basis. Arizona Basketball.. Panthers.................. Every other team I root for In the past 18ish months (basically starting with the CMC trade), it's now shifted to the following Arizona Basketball.. Wrexham AFC................................................. Panthers............. Every other team I root for (yes, I got sucked into Welcome to Wrexham and am now a die hard Wrexham fan for life) We've traded away draft picks and the 3 best players we've had since the Cam era for Bryce and a bag of loose change. We can't hire the right coaches, we can't sign the right players, we can't draft the right players, we literally haven't made one good move in this time frame. I literally never thought I'd feel this way about the Panthers, they were one of 2 teams that were never going to have to win back my interest. But I can't defend them anymore, it's been that bad. So again, no I'm not going anywhere as a fan, but right now, I just don't really care much for them in the slightest, they don't register for me on the daily anymore, they're just a thing that I have slight interest in and they have to earn my level of fandom back.

There are levels of rooting though No, I don't love the Panthers any less. No, I'm not considering stopping being a fan. But for a long time, my favorite teams went as follows, with the number of dots approximating the gap of fandom between each, from "live and die with every game" for Arizona Basketball to "barely remember to check the scores" for the rest of them (like the Red Wings or Tigers). And to be clear, loving a team and fandom of them is different to me. Love is how deeply they're ingrained into your heart and soul, whereas fandom is how much you care/think about them on a daily basis. Arizona Basketball.. Panthers.................. Every other team I root for In the past 18ish months (basically starting with the CMC trade), it's now shifted to the following Arizona Basketball.. Wrexham AFC................................................. Panthers............. Every other team I root for (yes, I got sucked into Welcome to Wrexham and am now a die hard Wrexham fan for life) We've traded away draft picks and the 3 best players we've had since the Cam era for Bryce and a bag of loose change. We can't hire the right coaches, we can't sign the right players, we can't draft the right players, we literally haven't made one good move in this time frame. I literally never thought I'd feel this way about the Panthers, they were one of 2 teams that were never going to have to win back my interest. But I can't defend them anymore, it's been that bad. So again, no I'm not going anywhere as a fan, but right now, I just don't really care much for them in the slightest, they don't register for me on the daily anymore, they're just a thing that I have slight interest in and they have to earn my level of fandom back.

No I gave them the benefit of doubt when they took Bryce despite it being glaringly obvious that he just doesn't have the physical traits needed to be an elite NFL QB. I gave them that benefit of doubt that during the draft process, they saw such a beyond next level mental side of the game that it would more than overcome any physical limitations he had. While I get he was a rookie on a terrible team last year, his mental side of the game wasn't even average for a rookie QB, let alone the #1 pick who was supposed to have one of the greatest football minds the draft has ever seen. And all of that is before he somehow looked even worse physically than expected, and I was already expecting him to look like the worst QB in the league from a physical standpoint, he looked like he didn't even belong as a backup in this league.

Yep, you’re probably right here, which…………. leads to the other thread I just made, go check it out we fuged up

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Is because Morgan and Tepper have no balls, let me explain............ Burns was never going to play a single snap on the franchise tag this season, he showed his hand when he admitted he played scared this season out of concern of injury without his contract. We let him dictate the terms of a trade by doing it today, it allowed him to demand more money from whatever team traded for him, thus allowing that team to have a reason to be stingy on the compensation coming back out way. We should have let Burns sweat, let him sit there for a few weeks and when he realized he wasn't getting this $30 million a year contract and knew he wasn't going to play a snap on the tag, he'd have been willing to sign a cheaper contract (in the $25M a year range) as it would have been that or sitting out the season. I guarantee that teams would have given better compensation if they were able to get him on a cheaper deal like that, 100% chance a team more in contention would have given us a late 1st rounder for him on a deal like that. This was Morgan and Tepper not having the balls the play this one out and force Burns to show his hand, which was that he was NEVER going to sign the tag and play on it, I'll never be convinced otherwise.

Just like nobody was going to pay him $30 million a year? That contract alone says we should have got a 1st for him To me, this more screams this front office is trying to look for the quick fix and they were only going to trade Burns for an asset in this year's draft, but trading him for a 1st next season would have been the smart move as we're not 1 offseason away from fixing this franchise, it's a multi year thing.

This is a joke, right? That would only compound the issue as we have a serious lacking of quality players. The only way using this extra 2nd to move up in the draft to get into the 1st for a WR is to use BOTH of those 2nds, or if we're lucky, give up this 2nd and our 3rd to maybe get the 30th pick. We need multiple starters with these picks, not package them together to get 1 starter.

This actually hurts our ability to get a #1 WR as the only path to it this year was through a Burns trade We didn't get enough back to flip for a #1 WR This was HORRIBLE

The point isn't that he's worth that much money, it's that if someone was willing to apy him that much, then we should have been getting more in return for him We got fleeced, period, no way around it, 3rd time in 2 years.

The only difference it makes is the level of awfulness that this trade is If it's their earlier pick, then it's really really really bad, if it's their later pick, then it's really really really really bad

Yes it is The contract the Giants are giving him is all the proof you need that we didn't get enough for him Anyone worth a $30 million a year contract should never be traded for less than a 1st, let alone a 2nd and a future 5th

Honestly, just the fact that they gave him a contract worth $30 a year is proof that he shouldn't have been traded for less than a 1st, let alone a 2nd and a future 5th We just got fleeced on a 3rd trade in the past 2 years, unbelievable

2nd and a 5th?!?!?!?!?! fug this franchise, what a joke, fire Morgan immediately

There are probably only a dozen non QB's in the entire NFL that a team would give up the 6th pick in the draft for when they know they then have to give that player a $25+ million contract to And spoiler alert, Burns sure as poo aint one of those players.

lol of course 6 is off the table If 6 was on the table we would probably throw in cash to pay part of Burns' salary

There literally isn't a position we're set at We have one elite player on the entire roster in Brown, but after that, there honestly isn't a player locked into a single starting spot as of this moment outside of Thielen, Bryce, and Horn. One of whom is likely already a bust that we're forced to start, another hasn't been able to stay healthy, and Thielen is a slot WR who has maybe 1 or 2 years left in his career. Even Moton isn't locked in as they could decide to cut their losses due to the cap hit if they can't re-work a deal. Ickey isn't locked in at LT as they could end up moving him to LG. And on defense, outside of Burns and Horn, I'm not sure we even have any average starters, so nobody is locked in to any spot yet.

Yes, sorry, I didn't mean they had a full agreement already ironed out and in place, but they 100% already had a high level discussion and agreement on relative compensation. There would be no point in the teams working out a deal, only to find out the Giants and Burns were too far apart to come to a deal. It would literally waste everyone's time, the Panthers, the Giants, and Burns, so it just would never have gotten to this point unless the Giants and Burns were at least in the same ballpark. While at the same time, the Panthers and Giants also had to be in the same ball park of compensation for it to get to this point. None of that is to say it can't fall apart in the end, it's just saying that the threat of Burns blowing the deal up by refusing to sign his franchise tender so they can complete the trade, is a complete non-starter, as they're too far into the process for that to even be a concern to any party.

This is all completely moot There is a 0% chance that either the Giants or Panthers are discussing any deal, let alone deep into negotiations, if the Giants and Burns haven't talked and come to a general agreement on a contract extension, as it would be a complete waste of everyone's time if that wasn't already done.

Yea, I saw your post and chose to ignore it because it was stupid I never once said we shouldn't be spending money, I've said time and time again that we need to spend it wisely. No, I don't love paying that much for a guard, but he fits the mold of who I said we should be spending on, someone young enough that can be a good player for not only this contract, but still young enough to sign another with us when this one is done. I was against throwing enough money at Ridley to come here instead of going to a contender, as his age at his position doesn't make him likely to be even elite for the length of a 3-4 year contract, let alone sign another after.