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Not keeping Reich until next season would set the franchise even further back. Nobody good enough is going to come here, so we're either going to end up with another sub-par coach for multiple years or be the team that fires their coach 3 straight seasons and hope to get lucky on making the right hire then. Best bet is to bring him back, fire him after the first 4-6 games when we're terrible because Bryce isn't a good QB. Then we end up with a Top 3 pick that a new coach can come in and draft a new QB to bet their career on instead of Bryce.

I'm guessing at least 60% Cowboys fans, decent chance it's almost 75% of the crowd to be honest. It's going to be like when the historically big teams with followings (Cowboys, 49ers, Steelers, Packers, etc) play in LA and just take over the entire stadium.

Biakabutuka’s problems had nothing to do with his skill or ability, which he regularly would flash when healthy enough to stay on the field. Bryce just isn’t good, he has had literally 2 or 3 plays where he showed even above average potential, but don’t think I’ve seen a single play that said “he could be elite” because he flat out doesn’t have the physical traits needed for that. he’s a bust, the sooner people accept it, the quicker we can get past him

This is why I don’t think we will fire Reich until about a month into next season. Young coaches know this, they aren’t going to bet their HC career that they’ve been working their whole lives towards, on Bryce and this awful roster. Why fire Reich to just hire a 3rd rate option to replace him? You have to wait until after next season, when we have our 1st round pick again and a new coach can replace Bryce with their own guy. It’s the only way we can try and get someone with potential to be a quality long time HC.

I don’t think it’s that as much as he just doesn’t understand the basic workings of the NFL So he speaks his nonsense non-stop and then when people point out the obvious, he jumps on that train because he then sees he misses the obvious points that most knowledgeable fans already understand

LOL You literally just posted like 2 days ago that Higgins needed to be our top FA priority, I then quoted you and pointed out that he's not going to hit FA. You're welcome

What if, and just hear me out, he just isn't a good QB

All of this, I’ve been saying it for weeks I think most likely scenario is they are both brought back for next year, but both are gone by Week 6, if not earlier. You’re just not going to get quality candidates interested in the jobs with the outlook of next year unless Bryce drastically improves over the rest of the season (and if that happens, it’s harder to fire Reich anyways). Everyone wants the quick fix, but sometimes you just have to take your lumps and grow. We’re taking our lumps next year, don’t put that on a new HC and GM and ruin them too, you let the creators of this mess go down with the ship. Draft a new QB with our first in 2025, trade Bryce for whatever anyone will give us, and move on from this terrible chapter in franchise history

Higgins is essentially only an option if we trade Burns Bengals aren't likely to let him hit FA, if he does, then sure, he's our top target. But they're almost assuredly going to tag and trade him, and we don't have the draft picks to make that trade (no way in hell should we be trading any future 1st round picks at the moment). Hence, only way we have a chance at him is if we try and trade Burns to them for Higgins and picks or trade Burns for picks and use one to trade for Higgins. Also, if we're going the trade route, I think I more likely lean towards trying to go after Aiyuk (who the 49ers are likely to trade as they won't be able to keep him long term with all their other big contracts) over Higgins, as I feel like he has a little more wiggle/quickness to his game than Higgins, but I'd be happy with either if we could.

Gabbert has a SB ring and has put together a long career in the NFL Taking Bryce over Stroud is closer to if we were to have taken Jake Locker over Cam

Texans don't totally count for firing a HC 3 years in a row, since part of the reason they did it, was because they knew they were going to get Ryans as he's a team legend and wanted to go there (they also got a ton of bad PR from doing it 3 years in a row though too). There 1000% will be better openings if Frank is gone than we would be with Bryce First, unless the Chargers make a run to the AFC championship game, Staley is gone, and an opening with Herbert is automatically the most attractive job out there. I think the Bears fire their HC too, especially if they end up with the top pick thanks to us, they're going to want an offensive minded HC for their new QB, so that's more attractive for the type of coach we want. Raiders are still the Raiders, more attractive Washington has a new owner who might make it more attractive than working with Tepper (and Rivera is gone for sure) I could also see the Giants ending up in a position to draft a new QB to replace Jones, if they're that bad, Daboll could get the boot too, and they'd be more attractive. Then who knows if there will be other unexpected firings, like if the Cardinals replace Kyler with a top pick, they could also decide to make a change after just 1 year to a more offensive minded HC. Or if the Patriots and Belichek part ways, they're the freaking Patriots, we're the Panthers. There is no scenario where we are an attractive HC opening this offseason unless there ends up only being like 1 or 2 other openings out there, and then by default there would be more interest, but the top candidates might decide to just wait a year.

That's the problem and it's what I've said for a couple weeks now as people have called for Frank's head. We're stuck with Bryce as our starter next year, no question about it, but if he's still not good and we get a Top 5 pick again, we 100% can and will replace him. That's why I just think we have to keep Reich around, we don't want to get stuck with sub par HC candidates because they're the only ones who will come here right now. While at the same time, we also don't want to be the team that fires a HC 3 seasons in a row, so it's not like you can just say we'll replace the HC again after next season.

If he wanted to be our coach, he'd have done it this past offseason when we had an opening and wanted him. We're unequivocally worse right now and are saddled with a QB who is looking like a bust, why would he turn down the likely elite positions he's going to be offered for that if he turned us down in a better place last year?

It's working because Rivera, for all his faults as a gameday coach, is a leader of men whose players love him. There's a reason EB has never gotten that HC job, it's because he has a reputation around the league for not getting along with players, and GMs/Owners know that doesn't really work for most new HC's. We need the right coach for Bryce, and EB aint it

He's Josh McDaniels part 2 Never has gotten along with his players but was a great X's and O's coach who got results because of that. Problem is that works for an OC when they're with a strong leader as a HC that the team will follow (such as Belichick, Reid, Rivera). It doesn't work when you are the HC, because then your players hate you and don't want to play for you and your abrasive style of coaching.

Ben Johnson is going to have his pick of jobs this offseason Tepper won't be able to offer him enough to turn down the potential of coaching Herbert or one of the teams with a pick to take a QB in the draft to coach this dumpster fire with a high school player sized QB.

If you want to call that on 2nd down when we were on our own side of the 50, sure, go for it. But once we crossed the 50, goal #1 should have been to get into reasonable FG range. It was the wrong call for that point in the game and it made for a much tougher 3rd down play, the whole game was horrible, but I think that call could have been the killer, especially with how we were actually moving the ball on that drive for once.

Was the 2nd down go route That's when we needed to just pick up a 5 yard play, it would have made 3rd down more manageable, it would have allowed to potentially go for it on 4th and 5, or it would have been a more reasonable attempt at a 54 yard FG instead. But running that go route was about the worst play call and/or decision by Bryce imaginable at that time, we had been working it down the field on short throws pretty well up until then, should have done another there.

They also all had many flashes of elite potential in those early games, even if they lost and had INTs Bryce has maybe 2 or 3 plays like that in the entire season, it’s embarrassingly bad for a #1 overall pick

I've already explained that Harbaugh isn't the right fit for this franchise right now, it would be an Urban Meyer situation without a doubt. And I'm not saying Reich 100% is the guy, I'm more convinced that Bryce isn't the guy than Reich isn't. But you can't do back to back seasons of firing a coach after 1 season, so if we're not going to attract good HC candidates this offseason, because we won't, then you don't make the move. We took Bryce, we have to deal with the outcomes for 2 years, no way around it. If he continues to struggle this much this year, nobody good will be willing to tie their career chances to it, HC's usually only get one shot.

Like I said in the post, he's a good OC because he's a good X's and O's coach, but that doesn't mean they'd be a good HC, it's a totally different skill set, same reason Josh McDaniels was a great OC but sucked as an HC. I won't even begin to pick a GM, I don't know other team's up and coming front office people, nobody on here is THAT knowledgable to actually speak intelligently on that subject to be honest. For HC, I think we have to stick with Reich through next year and if things are that bad next year, you can fire him mid-way through the season. As I've explained a few times lately when the topic of firing Reich comes up... no elite young up and coming HC candidate, particularly an offensive minded one, is going to want to tie their future to Bryce right now, especially in an offseason that could have a lot of really good openings out there (Chargers, Bears, Falcons, Giants, Commanders, Raiders all have intriguing weapons and/or high draft picks in this draft and likely will be getting new HC's). We play the hand we have and hope Reich and Bryce can turn it around together, if not and they suck next year, you fire Reich and bring in a new HC who has the choice of keeping Bryce or dumping him and replacing him with that likely Top 5 pick we end up with in 2025 in that scenario. I want a Ben Johnson type, smart innovative offensive mind and play caller... who that coach will be in 2 years, I don't know, but that's who I'm targeting.

Yes it will be rock bottom because it will be to the Bears who own our draft pick If we lose because Moore goes nuts, it will be an even more rock bottom than just losing It really can't get much worse from here on out after that if it happens, let's hope it doesn't.

HELLLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOO There is a reason Bienemy hasn't gotten a HC job yet, and it's not because of the color of his skin He rubs people the wrong way, particularly his players, and he has a bunch of questionable issues in his past. If you can't get along with the best player in the NFL, who your career depends on, then you probably don't have the proper temperament and coaching style to be a successful NFL HC. And it was painfully clear that Mahomes never really liked the guy He's basically the next Josh McDaniels, someone who is a good X's and O's coach, so they succeed as an OC, but they just don't have the right personality and coaching style to make it as a HC and will just create friction in the locker room.

Soccer has much more frequent manager changes than the NFL does, just the nature of the sport. Changing a coach in the NFL is significantly more difficult given the structure of plays and strategy Soccer is near the complete opposite, a new coach can completely change a teams overall game strategy in little to no time at all. Sure it will take time for players to adjust and learn to play in a new system, but it’s nothing like NFL teams having to re-adjust and learn new plays that need to have 11 players working in perfect timing together.

He doesn't exactly have the arm to air it out. We'll never be an exciting downfield passing attack with Bryce unless he decides to get on the juice. You can still be successful in the NFL without that kind of attack, but you need to have well drawn up plays to get WRs open in space, the WRs capable of getting open in said space, an OL that can block for more than 3 seconds, and most importantly... a QB who is good enough to run that offense at a high level. I'll admit, we don't have any of the plays, WRs, or OL aspects of that right now and it doesn't help Bryce But Bryce also just isn't HIM either, he's never going to be an elite QB, his absolute ceiling is a Top 15-20 QB in the league, and that's if everything goes right from here on out for him. Worst trade ever