tukafan21

Who? The roster on the team's site doesn't show numbers for any of them, figured that would be the most accurate place for that information.

His size doesn't disqualify him, it's just one part of the equation, if he was a once in a generation prospect, he'd be the pick without question and Chicago wouldn't have even traded it. If it was him vs AR or Levis, then yea, you take Young. But Stroud is looked at by almost everyone as an equally graded prospect in his own right, when that is the other option, the size factor becomes much more relevant. And naming other small players who have been successful really doesn't mean jack poo, they're the massive exceptions, not the norm. And we're talking about what would be the smallest successful QB of all time if he works out, he's be the exception of the exceptions if he can hold up and last a full career. It also means even less to name players of other positions, QB is an entirely different beast, you literally couldn't have a Barry Sanders or Darren Sproles sized QB in the NFL, just would not work. As I've said before, if we were the worst team in the league and already had the pick, I'd be more open to taking him (spoiler alert, I'm still taking Stroud then too), but after everything we gave up to get here, it's too big of a risk to take.

I was planning on buying a new authentic jersey this year of the new QB, but honestly, if Horn takes 0, that would be a hard one not to get as it would be pretty cool.

My guess is they don't let anyone take 0 or any other open number until after the draft at this point. Think that's why none of the new guys have numbers assigned to them yet, at least it doesn't show them on the roster on the team's website. Only makes sense, we know we're about to draft a QB at #1, no point in letting someone take a number they might want and then make them buy it off them (yes, even though both the guys we're looking at already are taken). But it would be cool for Corners to take it 0, fits the position. Too bad we can't have a massive 350 lbs DT take it, would just look funny on them like I've seen some college players do.

Uh... no, no matter how high your IQ is, you still take shots at the QB position. Wilson was significantly thicker built coming into the NFL than Young is, that's the difference. Everyone who keeps saying the size argument is dumb, focuses on his height, but ignore that he'd be the lightest QB taken in the first round probably ever, at least in the last 20 some years. And there haven't been "plenty of smaller QB's who were successful and durable", it's barely a handful who have been sub 6 feet and had long successful NFL careers. Wilson, Sonny Jurgensen, and Doug Flutie are probably the 3 best 5'11" or shorter, when you include 6 feet you get Brees, Tarkenton, Vick, Len Dawson, Theismann. In the history of the game Doug Flutie is likely the 8th best QB of all time 6 feet or under, don't say there have been plenty of short successful QBs. Young is shorter than all of them except Flutie and is the lightest of them all as well. That's not insignificant

ESPN put out a 7 round mock today that has us taking that kid from Army in the 3rd. I'd be all for that, clearly someone who is going to be of high character and willing to put in the work to be great, and he has a ton of potential as a pass rusher as well. Would love it if we ended up drafting him.

Hey guys, did you know that the sky is blue? Or that water is wet? Talk about something everyone knew the second the trade was made, rumors be damned

That's really only about $10 million in actual cap space, if I remember correctly, our rookie cap pool with our picks will need about $12 million in cap room to sign them all.

I've got to think the only cut downs that will happen early are guys who are just garbage, or long time vets on a team where the team wants to do them a solid by giving them time to find a new player. The old cut down timelines was why you'd see vets usually cut earlier in the process, when a team had to make cuts anyways, so they cut someone they knew they would eventually have to, and did it so they could find a new team. Now that teams don't HAVE to do the cuts throughout the process, can't see many situations where they want to help the players out by cutting them early.

Not a fan of this one, surprised the NFLPA didn't push back against this Makes it tougher for vets who are cut for money purposes sign on with a team before the season starts. Often times you see teams cut those players earlier in the offseason to help them out so they can find a new home. This likely means teams hang onto those players longer in case of other injuries, could see a lot of useful vets get cut right before the season starts now.

Wow, just wow Obviously the team knew about this and was okay with it, but to me, this is just another sign of why this wasn't a smart signing for us to go into the season with him as our #1. The guy is flat out injury prone, particularly his ankles, and the fact that he had yet another surgery this offseason, and COULD be ready for OTA's, just isn't exactly an inspiring update to hear. We need to go get Hopkins, Sutton, Jeudy, or trade back into the First round to get a #1 WR, particularly JSN if we take Stroud.

He just doesn't make sense for us with our current roster. If we were going to make a move for him, it would have needed to be before FA began and we'd have built the team out differently. His situation is extremely unique, not sure we've seen it before. The closest thing would be Brady a few years ago, but he was a Free Agent at the time. It's hard to give up too much draft pick value for a player that is probably only playing one more season, no matter how good they are. You really need to have a fully built out SB contender except for the QB, the Jets do fit that bill, probably the only team in the league right now that fits it and doesn't have their QB.

If we draft Stroud, I wouldn't be surprised to see Shaq switch to 0 He worth 7 in college, which is why he went back to it a couple years ago, and I'm sure if we draft Stroud, he'd be okay in giving up his number for new franchise QB, so I could see him going to 0 to keep a single digit number.

LOL the "mother who allowed it" is my favorite part. My best friend's last name is Imhoff and his whole life he said he was going to name his son Jack. All our friends thought it would be funny but obviously we all agreed, no woman who would have a child with him would ever allow it. His wife is about to give birth to their first child, a son, any day now and they clearly aren't naming him Jack. But my favorite part about this was that they got married last year and we were out there (he moved across the country) for a week for the wedding. One night while out to dinner with everyone, this topic came up and his wife's mother thought it was hilarious and then was telling him that if they named the kid John, we could still call him Jack since that's a nickname for John. The fact that her mom was trying to find a way to name the kid Jack Imhoff was just outstanding, needless to say it was one of the funnier moments of the wedding week.

Seriously man, your posts are just getting dumber and dumber. Your proposal here would then mean we gave up 3 firsts, 2 seconds, and DJ Moore for the right to give a $50 million per year fully guaranteed contract to an injury prone QB whose best days are already behind him, instead of saving 2 of those firsts and getting a rookie QB contract. And yes, I know we'd end up with Anderson as well, but logic is seriously missing from your posts on this topic.

It's going to be a very popular number I think, a ton of players will want it as motivation, saying "nobody said I could make it" just like the NBA players have done. I also think it could be a popular number for RBs or WRs who get picked early in the second round as well, saying that 0 teams thought they were worth a first round pick and it's their motivation to prove them wrong.

I think this is very misleading in how they're saying it. They're very much openly talking to each other about the things they see in the QB's, what they think is good, bad, can be improved upon and how, what could be issues with them, etc. They need to have those discussions to properly evaluate them, as one person might see something that someone else doesn't, or someone has an idea how to fix something that someone else could not see. And in those discussions, I'm sure it's quite clear to each of them who the other coaches prefer in their evaluations. Saying they won't have them put out a single name until then is one thing, but they all know who they each like.

Again, never said he's about to have his best years. His 3 year contract has cap hits each year of 3, 10, and 8, where his last 4 years he made 14, 10, 11, and 14. We're not paying for peak Thielen and not expecting him to have his best years. Last year Thielen had 70 catches (45 first downs), 716 yards, and 6 TDs, he's not much of a downfield WR anymore, but he also was never a player who succeeded because of his athleticism, he did it on his knowledge of the game and perfect technique. He's going to be more of Greg Olsen to Cam for the Rookie than Hurst will be, he will be the ultimate 5-10 yard safety valve option for him. You make it seem like wanting to pay WR 2 money to Thielen who has less of an injury history than Lamar, even at his older age, but not wanting to pay the obscene cost to get and then sign Lamar as mutually exclusive things. If you can't see the difference in a slow decline of a WR that you're going to ask to be your Slot and the risk of the combination of trade/contract/injury history of Lamar, then I don't know what to say. Just the fact that you can't see that and think people are laughing at my arguments and not yours, is picture perfect irony in itself.

Oh, and no, Thielen wasn't signed for his upside, he was signed for what he can do immediately for this team and what we paid him is what it took to get him. As soon as we made the trade, Thielen was my #1 want in Free Agency, hands down. It was a weak WR class so we really weren't going to get a true #1 WR anyways, and Thielen is an ultimate pro who runs great routes, has outstanding hands, and is a red zone monster because his specialty is 10 yard routes. Short of a legit stud #1 WR, which we couldn't get, Thielen is the exactly perfect WR to sign when you're going to be starting a rookie QB from day 1. So no, we didn't pay him for his past, we paid him for what he's going to do for us right now and in the future, and that's be the best friend of a Rookie QB, the ultimate check down pass catcher.

lol no kidding, saying I sound crazy for not wanting to pay someone for past accomplishments is.... well, interesting. Clearly the majority of the league feels this way, as well as the Ravens, or else something would have happened by now. They don't view him as a player who should re-set the QB market, particularly in a year that is likely to see Burrow and Herbert sign new deals, two players with significantly higher upside than Lamar (and no, it's not a white vs black thing, so don't go there). Each of them already played better than Lamar the last 2 years and their game isn't predicated on their running ability while already not able to finish those last two years as well. Nobody is questioning what Lamar has done in the past and not saying he isn't worth the risk of having him as your QB right now as if healthy, he clearly is a difference maker. But to give up multiple first round picks (and possibly more) to then have to make him the highest paid QB in the league on a guaranteed contract, is a massive risk given his style of game and recent injury history. Say he ends up playing this year on the franchise tag and gets hurt yet again and it costs the Ravens either making the playoffs or ability to win in them. Would you then give him a $45-50 million a year deal that is fully guaranteed for over 3 years? Would you give up the draft picks on top of that to then give him the contact? Of course not and teams recognize that, as do the Ravens. I think this ends with him not getting the contract he wants after a trade or playing the year on the franchise tag with the stipulation that he can't be tagged again. Because if he really made this request 3 weeks ago and someone was willing to pay that cost, a deal would have been done by now.

What’s that? That I am able to use my brain and separate past team success with future individual performance based on their skills and ability to stay healthy? Because last I checked, that’s all that matters, not what did you do for a different team in the past, but what you can do for your current/new team in the future.

Yea, with one of the better coaches in the league in Harbaugh. I don’t care what his teams have done in the past, I’m looking at his future as a QB and I don’t think it’s that bright or will be that long. Just that he’s not signed by the Ravens yet also tells me they think that as well, or else they’d have given him what he wanted by now, and they know him better than anyone else.

His career high is 3,100 passing yards and last year before getting hurt was only averaging 186 yards a game. Yes, I know he has his rushing yards, but my point is that part of his game going to decline fast and/or he's going to keep missing time from the hits piling up, like with Cam. He had a better TE than Pitts with Andrews, not like I'm afraid of Lamar all of a sudden being unstoppable because he has Pitts. He might make them a tough team to beat for a year or two when he's playing, but it would overall hurt their franchise moving forward. If Lamar ends up outside of Baltimore, in a few years it will be looked back upon as a worse trade and new contract than Russell Wilson and the Broncos wherever he ends up, so I'd love to see it with a division rival. He's a worse passer than Cam with a body not even close to Cam's in regards to being built to withstand hits over the years. Thinking Lamar's career is going to go uphill when Cam's started to go downhill is just asinine

Oh yea, he made $23 million last year on the 5th year option and would be set to earn $32 million this year on the franchise tag, or a total of $55 million for the two years. He supposedly turned down $133 million fully guaranteed over 3 years before last season. Had he signed that deal, after this year (assuming he plays on the tag for arguments sake) would have already made $88 million and then would have a decision to make. Try and work out a new contract after the season or play one more year for another $44 million and then become a Free Agent, likely without being able to be tagged as he would have had that in the extension I'd guess. Having an agent would have been able to make him realize this, but sure guy, convince yourself that acting as your own agent is smart because you turned down a monster deal.

I would LOVE it if he landed in Atlanta Wherever he goes, they're going to have to give up multiple first round picks and then will be hampered with a monster contract to a player who can't stay healthy and isn't a good enough passer to succeed in the NFL as his legs/body wear down and can't run as much. Please let him bring that disaster scenario to the Falcons