tukafan21

100% However, I don't see today as a game "we won" as much as one "the Packers lost", disagree if you want, but outside of us actually getting the win, I'm not sure how anyone can watch that game today and say we played better than they did.

So, point out extremely valid points with a question for a response and this is your answer. Basically saying I'm correct and that you're going to stick your head in the sand about all the issues we still show week in and week out because we got a W in the standings. I'll bet you'll be the first person complaining about how bad we looked the next time we get our asses kicked when we play this exact same way.

But please tell me why that is a great sign? When actual good teams win their blah games, it's great because it helps them in the standings and they know they're a better team than that, and they'll play better in the future. Outside of the Falcons game, we haven't had a complete game all season long. And outside of the Falcons, Dolphins, and Cowboys games, we haven't looked good on offense at all this year. THAT is why I don't understand how people can seriously say "that is a great sign" when we're 6 for 9 in putting up dud offensive performances. Again, if your ONLY goal is to be considered in the playoff hunt, then sure, great win. But if you want to actually see improvement on the field, then I have no idea what you watched today, because there was none other than Canales not forcing Hubbard into the game.

We won, the game is over. Now tell me how squeaking out a win where we looked like crap in most aspects of the game helps us moving forward? If your only goal is to be in the playoff hunt, then sure, it helps because we won the game. But I'm actually looking for the team to improve how they play and how the coaching staff operates. There was only one good thing about how we looked today, and that was Rico, a player who is more likely to be traded in the next 2 days than he is to be on the roster next season. (and no, I don't think he'll get traded, but I think there is a better chance of that than him being signed to an extension given the interest he's likely to get by other teams). This is all fools gold unless the only thing you look at is the standings, if you watch the actual game, not sure how you get excited after that game. Which isn't being a Debbie downer, it's just being a realist and having an unbiased opinion about what you witnessed.

No, because we still looked like crap for the most part today and won because the Packers couldn't stop from stepping on their own dick. We won, but not sure how anyone can take anything away from today's game other than the W that gives them any confidence moving forward.

4th and 3 and we have our DB's lined up 10 yards beyond the LOS??!?!?! WTF!?!?!??!

Yep, let's keep throwing end zone passes to our WR with bricks for hands instead of the player with the best hands on the team (earlier drop aside)

Exactly, they sent him in motion to the empty side of the field hoping to draw the defenses eye, and then threw a quick pass out to the opposite side. Canales trying to fool the defense instead of just throwing the obvious pass to our best receiver.

He's been doing this all season, in obvious situations we should be throwing to T-Mac, like 3rd and short-ish there, we use him as a decoy route and never even have Bryce look his way, hoping to fool the defense. Sometimes your best play is just throwing to your best player, not using them as a decoy, but 9 games in and Canales still can't figure that out yet.

I get it, it was a bad throw and would have been an impressive catch. But realistically he had a hand (maybe 2?) on the ball with no defender even jumping with him to break it up. Awkward throw or not, when you're as good as he is, he needs to make that catch, it was a drop.

It was a bad pass, yes. But it was also a drop, 100%

It was, but it still should have been caught

gotta catch that one T-Mac

It's week 9 and we haven't thrown a single jump ball to T-Mac in the end zone all season long. But we love to throw them to him in the middle of the field when we need 1st downs, and because of it, he's one of the league leaders in them. Make it make sense

100%, everyone can see it. But if I were to say this, it's just me complaining that my guy isn't getting TD's, instead of just objective analysis. And it's not even Bryce, it's Canales, as most of the time you can see the first read of those plays are to XL and he never looks T-Mac's way.

But, but, but, but, I was told Dalton's bad game was proof that Bryce is a god and our savior at QB.

I hope we trade Rico, because if they do that, it would actually make me think the front office and coaches don't believe in Bryce. If they think Bryce is going to be our guy, then they should be pushing for the playoffs this year with our record right now, not sending away our current starting RB.

He’s still playing well enough to make it worth it (if he can stay healthy) So I have no problem with it since the cap space rolls over anyways. Everyone complains that we don’t keep our good players around, and then complain when we extend one of our steadiest players of the last decade.

It's better to clear the cap space and not use it than clear it and then overspend on a player out of need and them not live up to the contract. Clear it this year, roll it over and spend it next year on a player worthy of the contract.

I want to replace both of them this offseason, but if it's only one or the other, I think getting the right coach in place is more important than replacing Bryce next year. It gives us a year to use our picks and cap on building out a better roster to allow better success for the new QB. Not to mention that I wouldn't want the first year of a new QB to then be coached by someone I don't think has what it takes to be a good HC. That's a good way to ruin the new QB before they ever get off the ground, sound familiar?

Wasn't insinuating that you were one of those people by quoting you, just a more general statement about a lot of people here and was quoting you two because I was talking about the speed/quickness thing, that's all.

Well sure, I'm clearly not a Bryce believer, but I've also been very loud against Canales too, for an offensive minded coach who calls plays, he kinda sucks a play design and calling, it's bland and predictable. I will give Canales a ton of credit in that he has completely reshaped this franchise's locker room spirit, these guys seem to be having fun and genuinely believing in themselves and each other. That's something we haven't seen here in a little while and he gets A marks from me in that regard. But if I had to keep one next year and replace the other, believe it or not, I'd replace Canales and keep Bryce. Use Tepper's huge wallet and a promise that the HC gets 1 season of Bryce and then it's 100% his call, no GM or Owner input, while also guaranteeing them 2 full seasons post Bryce, no matter what. It allows them to build out a team properly instead of feeling they need to shoot for the moon right away, think like the Texans did before getting Stroud. Then they have the choice in year 2 to dump Bryce and sign a gap year QB while building out the rest of the roster without concern that a bad year will get them fired, knowing we'll then go all in on getting a QB in the next offseason. Tepper needs to get in a room with the top candidates and be sincere and prove to them he'll hold his word on this, it's the only way to attract a great HC candidate.

Everyone is seeing it now, but nobody wanted to listen to me when I was saying all these things for well over a year leading into this draft. And it's not that it's sneaky speed, it's like I said, he's not a quick twitch guy that has super burst off the line, but once he gets going with those long strides, he really gets moving. Everyone was so sacred about potential 40 times, he was never going to be that kind of guy to have a crazy fast time, but he has more than enough speed to be an elite WR in this league given everything else he brings to the table. Which is why using him on the underneath stuff isn't a bad strategy, he excelled on those in college since he's catching it in full stride and was good at getting YAC on those routes. The problem is Canales' play design and calling, the great coaches run certain plays to set up later plays that get that player running wide open across the middle just 7 yards downfield, but with acres of space and at full stride, and Canales just doesn't have that in him. But also yes, we need to be throwing more jump balls to him when there's no safety help on the outside, it seems like Canales won't let Bryce check to it for some reason, as he never does, particularly in goal to go situations. I don't think Bryce has one time checked at the line to throw the fade to the corner, despite him being covered on an island at least a dozen times in those situations this year already. Yep, I saw AJ in him from the second he stepped foot onto the field as a Freshman, to me the closest direct comp. But in the pre-draft process I saw someone say he's a combo of Plaxico and V-Jax and I couldn't help but feel that was scary accurate.

Although, I will admit there is a big caveat to this game. Packers coming off an emotionally big game against Rodgers on the road in Primetime and a MNF matchup with the Eagles at home the following week, it is a prime opportunity for a let down game with them being at home and looking ahead. Which if it's the case, I think we still lose, but only something like 24-21.

We lose in a non competitive game 38-20. Bryce doesn't look much better than Dalton did and all the people this week saying "see we told you he's great, look how bad this team is without Bryce" blame it on the OL injuries and/or his ankle and already start laying the groundwork for that being why he is still one of the worst starting QB's the rest of the season and why he deserves another year, if not even an outright extension. And no, that's not what I'm rooting for, just what I objectively think will happen, just as I've been saying for a month would happen once we got past the cupcake portion of the schedule.