tukafan21

C'mon now.... First, you can't switch up your argument once someone points out a major flaw in your point. You're saying we shouldn't expect a big increase in targets/yards for T-Mac, but then shift to talking about averages with Chase when I point out the significant leap he took there once you factor in his missing games. He saw an increase in targets in 5 less games, averages aside, he saw a significant increase in targets in his 2nd season, what he then did with those targets is actually irrelevant in this discussion. Puka seeing no increase is pointless, as he saw such an absurd amount of targets for a rookie, it's near impossible to see an increase. But the real issue in this post is that you think I'm proving your point by showing how Waddle had to share targets with Hill. Tyreek Hill was a 1st team All Pro who was 2nd in the NFL in yards that season. If you think Jaylen Waddle sharing targets with a 1st team All Pro and a future HOFer is even remotely in the same category as T-Mac needing to share targets with Coker... then you are certifiably insane, lol. If anything, you could make the argument that Coker is to Waddle as T-Mac is to Hill in that discussion (which would then lead to a serious increase in targets/yards for T-Mac). But even that is insane, as neither T-Mac or Coker will be as good as Hill and Waddle respectively that season. I love both of their potential, but c'mon now, T-Mac isn't getting 119 catches for 1,700 yards and Coker isn't getting 117 for 1,350 next season.

See my previous post. You're also leaving out that T-Mac was likely hitting a rookie wall, like 95% of rookies do late in their first season, combined with the added attention on him by defenses, which in turn would be why Bryce looked Coker's way down the stretch. With Coker playing like that to start next year, defenses will have to pay attention to it, which will then also make things easier for T-Mac. All of which is also ignoring that T-Mac will just be a better player next year than he was this year, assuming he works on his game this offseason, which we all know he will be. If a player who was already your clear cut #1 comes back even better his next season, you're going to make sure you're throwing it his way more often, no matter who else you have. Again, Coker's added targets won't be at the expense of T-Mac's, they will BOTH be taking targets from the rest of the team. Not to mention, we should be passing it more next year to begin with, seeing as we'll have both of them hopefully ready to go full speed Week 1, which again, will help both their target totals increase. Coker looks like a really good player, but even the most optimistic person can't say he looks like he has #1 potential, he has very solid to maybe even high end #2 potential. You're not taking targets away from the reigning OROY who looks like a true Top 15 WR already to get your #2 targets, you increase both of them by taking from the others.

Sorry, but this is a terrible breakdown that doesn't at all show what you're trying to say/project about T-Mac next year, as it leaves out key information that changes everything, it makes the opposite point that you're trying to. Chase missed 5 games that second season after playing all 17 as a rookie (and still saw more targets that second season). Puka it looks like you projected his stats out to a 17 game season (as he only played 11 games), but even still , when you have 160+ targets as a rookie, there isn't really much room to get any more the next year. Waddle saw an increase in yards, and sure, his targets went down, but he played on a team with a better WR that year who saw 170 targets for 1,710 yards during that 2nd season for Waddle... something T-Mac doesn't have to contend with on the same team (280+ targets for their top 2 WRs, if you don't think T-Mac would see more than 122 targets if him and Coker combined for 287, then you're nuts). Then Olave and Wilson both saw an increase of 19 targets in their second season. You basically just laid out the reasoning for why T-Mac should see at least 20 more targets next year, if not more, which would be a solid increase and put him easily into the Top 10 most targeted WR next season.

T-Mac averaged 7.1 targets a game this season and had games of 2, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, and 6 targets this year. Even with an improved Coker, there is no reason T-Mac shouldn't see a solid uptick of targets this year, he is a true #1 WR, and even with Coker, he realistically should be 8-9 targets a game next season. Love Coker's potential as a real nice #2 option in this league, but he's not good enough that we should be taking targets away from T-Mac to get more for Coker. In addition to that, I think they'll start throwing more downfield to him as well, which will only help his yardage total even if he gets the same amount of targets. Then add him catching a few more of the ones he actually dropped, plus a handful more catches on the non-drops but tough catches he couldn't complete. Also we had 191 targets to RBs and TEs next year, with Rico being our best receiving threat of any of them and he'll be gone. Even if Etienne and/or Brooks take a bunch of those, or we sign a new TE, there should be a solid chunk of those targets going to Coker either, so he won't be taking any of T-Mac's targets due to that as well. Also don't forget that while he played 17 games this year, T-Mac basically put up his stats in 16 games, as he clearly was out there in Week 17 as a decoy and not a real target threat due to him being sick, and thus his 1 catch for 5 yards on 4 target stat line.

The best part about those rookie gaffes were his actual drops (and yes, I mean ACTUAL drops, not the tough plays he couldn't make that fans chalked up as drops because they just wished he could make the great catch) were very clearly concentration drops, not bad hands drops. And seeing as he didn't have that problem in college, it's safe to assume it was more of a "trying to do too much" type of thing and he'll fix that in the future pretty easily. Which if he does, that should add another 100-150 yards alone to his total, improve slightly in a few other areas and he's going to be pushing a 1,400+ yard type of season.

Just showed up today!

Only because Smitty should have already been in, but Fitz is 2nd all time in catches and yards, he's a 1st ballot HOFer, so Fitz getting in over Smitty this year isn't a problem. The HOF is going to be missing out on some worthy WRs for a while, possibly until after their eligibility is up and they end up being senior committee selections. There is such a backlog of guys who should have gotten in, and at some point in the not too distant future, they'll start to be passed on the yards list by guys getting an extra game and playing in a much more pass happy league. Add in the new rules they made, and any non clear cut first ballot WR is going to struggle to get in right now.

Overrated? Sure, in most years his season isn't winning OROY because there would have been a QB who had a good enough season to win the award, and most WRs who win it put up more yards than him. But also remember, passing was down league wide this year, you always have to look at a players' season through that lens too. Again, look at where he finished the year compared to the rest of the league 14th in Yards (13th among WRs) 15th in TDs (11th among WRs) 10th in 20+ yard receptions 10th in 40+ yard receptions 7th in 1st Down receptions (6th among WRs) 19th in YPC (but 8th among players with 40+ rec) He was a Top 15 WR as a rookie on an offense that ranked 26th in passing this year. How do you say that player is "overrated"?!?!

And 19th is a great place to find a plug and play high level MLB too, which we badly need.

Really hoping you can get T-Mac jerseys next year with the gold shield that he'll have because of this. Would be awesome to get a blue jersey with the gold shield

I highly doubt black players in college and the NFL are okay with white players using that word like that, and seeing as he's clearly always done it, I'm guessing the Polynesian players have just always been considered part of the black community in sports in that way. What's probably so ridiculous about this, is that I'll bet his black teammates have always called him that word as well, which also would be why he's always used it as well. This is only a thing because that girl reacted that way. It's also being used for engagement by social media people, in the same way they posted the clip of him saying that girl clearly doesn't only eat salads and making it seem like he was insinuating she was fat, but when you watch the clip he's clearly saying it because she's eating something else at the moment and he pointed to it when saying that. So he was clearly making the joke that she doesn't "only" eat salads, but they are just trying to get clicks and comments.

To be fair, he said "should", which isn't an incorrect statement even if he doesn't have any inside information. He SHOULD have been put in last year but was kept out by the stupid new voting rules, had the previous ones been in place, he'd 100% been in last year, as he was likely 4th in voting among the 7 finalists and only barely missed out on getting the 40/50 needed.

I. Told. You. 27 months ago and a full 18 months before the 2025 draft, I started a thread on here saying how we needed to target a WR named Tetairoa McMillan in the 2025 draft. Yes, in that initial post I admitted that I’m an Arizona alum and that while I may have some bias towards the player because of it, I still knew he was going to be a flat out stud in the NFL. For that next 18 months leading up to the draft, I was constantly told I had homer glasses on and he wasn’t as good as I thought, for any number of asinine reasons. I defended him and my thoughts on his game every time the nonsense came up about him being too slow or not loving the game, or whatever other dumb things people said about him. I said on numerous occasions that he’d widely be considered a Top 10 WR and in the discussion as a Top 5 WR by the time he’s due to sign his rookie extension, and even if he never improved one bit, his floor in the league was as around the 20th best WR. Well, let’s look at how his rookie season finished…. 14th in Yards (13th among WRs) 15th in TDs (11th among WRs) 10th in 20+ yard receptions 10th in 40+ yard receptions 7th in 1st Down receptions (6th among WRs) 19th in YPC (but 8th among players with 40+ rec) And he did all that in the 26th best passing offense in the league and for much of the season without another receiving weapon to attack the attention of the defense… that’s some Steve Smith type of poo right there. So you know what, even being his biggest pre-draft supporter imaginable, it looks like even I was too low on my projection of him without improving his game one bit. I’m not going to pretend he doesn’t have things to work on and get better at, but you have to be crazy to watch what he did this year, see how he talks about his game, and think he won’t be putting in the work this offseason to improve his game, and knowing that he'll get there. We’ve found our true #1 WR for the next decade. I know it’s not like the team read the message boards and I convinced them to draft him, but I’ll never not be convinced that I didn’t help speak T-Mac to the Panthers into existence, LOL. So many called me crazy, dumb, blinded by my fandom, and all sorts of other things, but they were all wrong, I was right and they all know it now. As I've said numerous times before, in all my years as a Wildcat, for both basketball and football, there have only been 2 players that I was 100% sure they would become stars in the pros, true can't miss prospects. The first was Rob Gronkowski, who only turned into the best TE in NFL history, the other being our own Mr. Tetairoa McMillan. Tetairoa McMillan… Arizona GOAT… Panthers Star… and your 2025 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year! Bear Down and Keep Pounding Tetairoa!

I hate how this stuff gets leaked early, same with the draft, let these things get their live moments on air. On that note, I'm off of here until after the OROY is announced, at which time I'll return with a thread I've prepared lol

I wanted someone to hire him so we got the picks, but I'm also not upset that he'll now be back. I genuinely don't understand why so many fans on here dislike him so much. No, he's not perfect and made some mistakes this year, especially at the end of the playoff game and going so soft in coverage on the final drive. But considering this place torched him all offseason for us having the "worst defense in NFL history" last year. Said in the whole pre-draft process how we had to go defense in round 1 because of it and then complained the rest of the offseason that we didn't do enough to improve the defensive roster. How do people say all that about the defense and then complain when he turned that same unit into a pretty respectable defense this year. They were really the only reason we were in a lot of games for most of the season, as the middle part of the season they really stepped up and were playing like one of the better defenses in the league. I don't see any reason we can't improve even more next year if we spend another offseason focusing on adding pieces on that side of the ball, which we should be able to do with our draft picks and cap space. We had the historically worst defense ever last year and people are upset because we weren't the 85 Bears this year, make it make sense.

Evero to the Raiders makes zero sense unless the OC he's pitching them is a failed HC who doesn't have interest in trying for it again. They're a team about to draft a QB #1 overall, developing him is job #1 for the new coach/staff. Hiring a DC with a young up and coming OC wouldn't make any sense, because then you risk losing that OC to a HC job after maybe just a year or two and that young QB has to change system, play caller, etc. It's why hiring an offensive minded coach makes the only sense. The Raiders have to make the right hire/pick with this HC hire and #1 pick combo because of that division they're in, it's a gauntlet and you can't screw up this opportunity.

It’s got nothing to do with the event itself, it’s about the accolade and it lessening the meaning of it, particularly for past players. Just call it “The postseason games” or something dumb like that. Then have pro bowl voting still and those players are then invited to participate in the event, but any alternates aren’t then considered “pro bowlers”

He wanted him as a backup there, not to be their starter, big difference. That doesn't mean he won't get an opportunity to start, but if he does, I think it's more them punting on the season to get a high pick in next year's better QB class than thinking he actually can be their long term solution. Saw it the other day, since 2000 there have been something like 600 times a QB has thrown 200 passes in a season. Of those, Shedder ranked in the bottom 10 for QBR, he literally had one of the 10 worst seasons of the last quarter century, he's not a starter in this league.

JFC.... now Flacco is in the pro bowl, what a freaking joke this has become, time to officially kill this event off. When the 5-12 Cleveland Browns had 2 Pro Bowl QB's this year and still need to find a new Week 1 starter next year, you know it's jumped the shark and time to put it off to pasture.

I love all the people saying he's our best WR right now, I think you're letting that playoff game skew your thinking just a tad bit. I know he started the year hurt and it affected him, but he still played in 11 games and only had 400 yards, with only 2 regular season games having over 52 yards (and still only 60 and 74 yards in those two). His playoff performance was the same total as his 2 best games this year combined, which is awesome, but it also shows the playoff game was more of an outlier than the norm for him right now. Love his potential and think he can be a really good player for us, but saying he's our best WR right now over T-Mac just makes you sound dumb, sorry.

He didn't make it for the same reason Luke didn't and the same reason Smitty never will unless they change the procedure again. This new rule of needing to get 40 of 50 votes in the final round of voting is just sooooooooooooo dumb At that point it's already down to people who should be in the HOF and all it takes is a handful of split votes to keep more than worthy players out of the HOF in any given year. So unless there is collusion to among the voters to make sure only 9 or less people are not voting for certain players, we're going to keep seeing this happen every year, and we'll see more than worthy players never end up getting in at all. All it takes is for 20 of the 50 voters to split their vote and it keeps both players out that year. And when that final vote is by voting for 5 guys out of 7, it's going to happen every year unless they start colluding to make sure certain guys get in when they should.

Not when said QB is Josh Allen, it would be like when Andy Reid retires in the next few years and KC making the hire without involving Mahomes in the discussion at all. When you have a QB like they, they 100% should be involved in the discussions to make sure there is alignment and the QB/HC will mesh well together. I'm sure they didn't just let him make the decision as that would be dumb, but it would be even dumber to have not involved him in the process at all.

The press conference was ugly and would make any coach a little concerned about working for said owner. But HC jobs for the team with the best QB in the league in the middle of his prime don't come around too often. I think every candidate would be able to look past the owner in this situation to get a chance at having Allen's prime years to chase a ring. I still think if they lose in the first round and thus fired McDermott a week earlier, Harbaugh very likely would have been their next HC, but this all happened after he was already lined up with the Giants.

It honestly makes no sense. The Bills problems weren't with the coaching staff, it was with the roster their GM put together. Firing McDermott was their way of saying they felt things weren't working, but then go and just hire their OC which will just keep things mostly the same. The move would have been to replace the GM, not the HC, very odd to then end up hiring their OC instead.

He has Caleb Downs falling to 11th If he slips to outside the Top 10, I'd be aggressive and move up to get him as long as it doesn't cost a future 1st to do so.