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Oh I've seen him called that here before, just never post about him myself and never thought to myself that I never see his actual name here

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^^^ Did a mod edit my post or does this site automatically change The Golden Calf of Bristol's name when you put it in a post? (guess I'm about to find out when I hit enter here lol)

The team that has had him in their building everyday for the past 3 years doesn't want to pick up his 5th year option, that says more than I'll ever need to know about him. Hard pass at any trade cost due to the contract we'd have to give a guy who a bad team with a defensive minded coach doesn't want to keep around.

Oh c'mon, after the shitshow this place has been the last few weeks, what's wrong with having a little laugh? Give the mock a read, it's pure gold I mean, it's not as good as his Fantasy Football guide from last year where he had The Golden Calf of Bristol as his #2 TE (seriously, he did), but it's still a fun read

For anyone who hasn't seen his fantasy football draft guide from last year... https://www.nickadamsusa.com/news/nick-adams-official-2022-fantasy-draft-guide Enjoy the laugh

You do realize this is a 100% sarcastic post/thread for fun, right? If you don't know about Nick Adams and his "football analysis" then I highly suggest you read through this mock and then go find his 2022 Fantasy Football preview, that thing was pure gold

https://www.nickadamsusa.com/news/nick-adams-mock-draft-2023 I mean... if Mr. Alpha Male himself says so, it must be true, right?

If a WR, TE, or Pass Rusher is there at our 2nd pick that can make an impact this year, we'll take them. If not a player at one of those positions, I think he trades down maybe 10 spots or so while getting maybe a mid 3rd rounder out of it.

Yep, that's me at about 8:15 on Thursday night, I haven't been shy about me not liking him as the pick, but I've always said it's not about hating the player, it's that I'm just convinced he can't stay healthy in this league long term at his size. I've had no issue voicing that opinion, but once the selection is made, no more negativity allowed and it's just rooting for him and praying he doesn't get hurt. Which will be a staple of his career for us fans though, it's going to take a few years of him avoiding injury to not get scared every time he gets hit, and even then, it may never go away.

Such an asinine statement If anyone thought they would become what they turned out to be, both would be drafted WAY higher than they did. Trying to make an argument on players that already have had HOF careers as to why taking a small QB makes sense, is just so illogical that I am having trouble making sense of what your point with it even is. It would be like trying to say people screwed up by not taking Brady because of what he turned out to be. Dude fell to the 6th round, clearly nobody thought he'd be a legit starting QB, let alone the GOAT. I've said time and time again, I do not think Young has a great future because I don't think he can stay healthy, so that's why I wouldn't take him.

Brees yes, dude is one of the top 10 QB's of all time Wilson... probably yes, but this last year kinda threw a lot into question about him and it makes me wonder how much of his Seattle success was due to Pete. But asking if you'd take a HOF QB #1 knowing how their career would turn out over guys who haven't even been drafted yet is a dumb question. It's like saying "would you go take Michael Jordan #1 over Wemby in the draft this year knowing what he'd become" No poo, of course you would take a known HOF career over any unknown.

Okay, how about Patrick Mahomes? This was a draft analysis of his weaknesses, sure sounds like an Anthony Richardson to me. Good thing KC didn't pass on him because you can't coach up decision making and mechanical issues. You can literally do it with every QB drafted, some work out, some don't. You're making this into a single issue decision with that issue being "are they NFL ready from a mental side of things" Which in reality, is probably the worst single issue thing to base it on, as the overwhelming majority of QB's take time to grow into that. More successful QB's had the physical traits but made poor decisions in college vs being mentally sound in college but lacking the elite physical traits. No, not all of them get coached up and are successful, but I think it's a significantly better path to being successful when you're coaching up someone with elite physical characteristics as opposed to hoping someone else's elite mental game can overcome significant physical limitations.

Bottom line is this... I'm fully against drafting Young at #1 given what we gave up to get the pick I will be fully on board with Young once he's drafted I will not be happy, nor will I brag, about being right about him in 3-5 years when we decline his 5th year option because he can't stay healthy for more than half of a season at a time. All my attacks on Young's prospects will stop the second the pick is announced, he's not a Panther yet so I'll voice my concerns about drafting him, once he's a Panther, I'll defend him till I die to anyone who talks poo about him as he'll be one of us then. Hell... I'll still defend Cam's passing ability in arguments with my Lions friends when we get into our inevitable Cam vs Stafford debates. Despite the fact that I know he never was that great of a passer, but he's my QB, so I'll defend him to the end of the earth.

We're more than banking an outlier, we're banking on him becoming the greatest small QB of all time given how much smaller he is than the other very few successful small QB's, all of whom were NOT the #1 pick in the draft, let alone giving up a haul to take them. Brees and Wilson are the two best small QB's of all time and they were never considered first round prospects. But sure, let's go with a guy significantly smaller than either of them, particularly from a frame standpoint, with the #1 pick in the draft after trading 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and a #1 WR for that pick, that makes sense.

What other players have lacked physical traits but been superior mental prospects that have panned out despite their physical limitations? Isn't it interesting that the last of those type of players, also was at Alabama in Mac Jones and now there are rumors that the Patriots are ready to move on from him because he isn't good enough. All the mental attributes in the world can't help if you don't have the physical ability to get it done either. It's a two way street I just think guys like Stroud and AR have enough physical abilities that they're going to end up as better QB's in the league than Young will be. I fully understand why Young is considered a top prospect, I just don't think there is any chance in hell that he is going to hold up physically in the league. As I've said too many times on here, it's all a big balancing act of the positives and negatives, and I just think Bryce's negatives outweigh his positives, more so than the other top prospects in this years QB class.

All I care about (other than our pick of course) is that all 4 of the QB's are gone by the 9th pick, gonna be a real kick to the nuts if Stroud or AR falls that far and we could have kept DJ and our picks and landed one of them there.

It's different taking a guy who has shown 3 years in the league of poor decision making and a destroyed confidence compared to a kid coming out of college fresh. Look at someone like Josh Allen who had those same question marks coming out of school and he got coached up in those areas. It more comes down to if you trust your coaches enough to coach them up. Darnold was saddled with the worst coaching staff imaginable in NY and had a terrible set here in Carolina as well. This current coaching staff is built to coach up a young QB's mental side of the game, which is why I never understood trading up to take a QB whose biggest areas of concern were physically, not mental.

LOL this is perfect timing as I was posting what I just did in my above post Seeing as I'm from Michigan and my Lions friends constantly give me crap about my reasons for being a Panthers fan. I usually point to us never having back-to-back winning season's in franchise history and that after 25+ years I'm still a die hard fan. Then they quickly shut that argument down by pointing out that in our lifetimes the Lions have won 1 playoff game back in the 90's, while the Panthers have played in two SB's in the time since then, hahahaha As much fun as I have hating on the Lions, and I genuinely love it, we can't hold a candle to their ineptitude as a franchise over the last 25 years.

And while I can't speak for the other "Bryce haters" but so many of the "Bryce lovers" seem to insinuate that the "Bryce haters" are going to be rooting for him to fail. WTF is that about?!?! If that's the case, then you're just not a Panthers fan I have no natural connection to the Panthers, I was a 7 year old kid when the franchise was created and happened to be at the HOF that summer before the first season and as 7 year old kids do. I thought they had a cool logo so my dad bought me a Panthers mini-helmet and I was as much of a "fan" as a 7 year old could be pre-internet days. Then going into the second season they drafted my favorite college player and I was hooked, 25+ years later and I'm still a die-hard Panthers fan (and I have the receipts to prove it, see the pics below). So don't question my Panthers fandom because of how vocal I've been against picking Young, I think sticking by a team that has never had back to back winning seasons, when you have no natural connection to the team, makes me just as much, if not more, of a Panthers fan than anyone. Pre-Biakabutuka evidence Post Biakabutuka pick from my 5th grade photos

No, no he's not If he can stay healthy, he'll be a solid starting NFL QB with upside to be better than that. It's posts like this that bother me as I feel like it lumps people like me in with those who think like this. Every draft pick is a balancing act of weighing out all the pros and cons of a player as well as the cost to acquire said player. My first choice would have been to stay at #9 and see if anyone fell to us, my second choice would have been trading up to a different pick than #1 to take whichever QBs fell to the 3-7 range and save some assets, and my third choice would have been making the trade we made and then taking Stroud. Which is why this is frustrating for most of the "Young haters" as many put it, particularly since we just don't think he's going to be able to stay healthy for a 10+ year career (and frankly, I don't think he'll get close to that, at least not as a starting QB, maybe a backup at that point. I don't think he'll make it as a healthy starting QB to a second contract myself).

I think it's pretty simple, of the top 4 QB prospects, he has the worst physical traits of the 4 along with the easiest potential flaw to predict of any of the 4 as well. That's a very weird combination for the #1 pick of the draft. To take a guy solely because of his mental make up, despite him not having any elite physical traits and banking on him being the best small QB in NFL history is quite the gamble. What he does best are the "easiest" things to coach up while where he lacks in comparison to the other prospects are things that can't be coached up. You can coach up a player to make better decisions and be more accurate, but you can't coach up a guy to get bigger or get a significantly stronger arm, not at this point in their careers, and he is woefully in last place amongst the 4 of them in both of those areas. I also can only speak for myself, but a significant part of my concern is also what we gave up to take that risk on him. There is a very legitimate argument to be made that Young has the lowest ceiling amongst these 4 QBs, which is just very weird to have given up all those assets to then make him the pick knowing that. Once the pick is made, I'm fully on the Young train of course, it's easy to shift from "I don't want to draft him for these very legitimate reasons" to "please just stay healthy" I don't think any of the "Young haters" as you put it don't think he can be successful, we just think the easiest thing to predict of any of these 4 QB's is that he won't be able to stay healthy, so it's a tough pill to swallow knowing that. I just don't like mortgaging our future to take the player with the biggest known risk factor. It's never been about not wanting Young as much as it was wanting other players instead of him as well, which I think is a significant difference and why it won't be hard for the "Young haters" to get on board with him once the pick is made.

Okay guys, I've figured it out (and yes, this is a joke, so don't attack me, just having some fun with it). We told Levis that we're drafting him to get it out there that we love him to scare Indy since rumor is they really want him. Then we're going to trade #1 to the Texans for #2 and #12 so they can take Young. Then we take this newfound interest in Levis as leverage to trade #2 to the Colts for #4 and their 2024 1st. Draft Stroud at #4, JSN at #12, and then snag Harrison Jr with the Colts 1st next year to get the band back together. Win SB's, Profit, GOAT status

Haven't been reading all the posts, so not sure why this was said, but why is this such a common argument by people in today's society? It's such a sad state on today's America that so many people like to call the people they don't agree with politically Pedos or Groomers. The overwhelming odds are that they aren't and it's just disturbing how quick people move to that argument nowadays, it's messed up.

So when this all backfires on us in a few years when Young can't stay healthy, we can blame the Texans for not sealing the deal before we could, good to know.