tukafan21

Yup, it's as simple as this, we traded.... CMC, DJ Moore, 2022 9th Overall Pick, 2023 1st, and 2024 2nd For Bryce Young, DJ Johnson, 2024 5th Which just depresses me to look at, so I try to separate the two trades and say we'd still have found a way to trade for Bryce without that 2nd from the CMC trade, lol. But sure, let's keep trying to convince ourselves that the CMC trade was a good one, that was just awful, nowhere near the return for a player of his caliber.

Wow there's a lot of crazy in here to dissect. First, I agree the draft is a crapshoot, that's why I never liked trading the best offensive weapon in the game for anything less than a first, especially it being a late second and then a bunch of mid round picks. Second, What we do with the picks ABSOLUTELY reflects back on the trade. You said I was being shortsighted, but you want to judge a trade where you only get draft picks in return on your initial views on it, and not how you end up using those draft picks?!?!?! THAT is being shortsighted in viewing the trade. Third, we used one of 4 picks from the CMC trade towards Bryce and it was the 4th best asset we gave up in the trade, it 1,000% could have and would have been completed without that 2nd rounder, nothing about the CMC trade should be judged on Bryce. Fourth and finally... even if you want to include judgment of Bryce, that actually makes it worse that we then traded away CMC, Moore, 2 Firsts, and a Second to draft a QB with Bryce's physical limitations and injury concerns. A QB you give up THAT much for needs to become a 1st ballot HOF and/or win you a SB ring for that to even remotely be called a success, that's a huge bet to put on a QB who needs to become the biggest outlier at his position in the history of this league.

How is it short sighted or a hot take? I’m not saying that will or already has happened based on 3 weeks. I’m just stating the obvious that he needs to work out for that CMC trade to pay off. We got a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 2024 5th for CMC. I’m just assuming the way this team drafts. That 5th next year is already a wasted pick from that trade, maybe it won’t be, but we haven’t hit on late picks in a while. Yes, the 2nd from that trade was used to get Bryce, but like I said, not having that wouldn’t have stopped that trade, we’d have lost something else, but nothing huge, DJ and the firsts were what they were after. That just leaves 2 picks left from the CMC trade, which we combined to trade up for DJ. If he doesn’t work out, that’s the bulk of the CMC trade out the window. Tell me how that wouldn’t be an epic failure of a trade?

Johnson and a 5th round pick next year is all we have left from trading CMC, with the 2nd from that used in the Bryce trade. The guy needs to pan out or the CMC trade will be an EPIC failure. We always could have found a way to make the Bryce trade work without that 2nd, so I don’t really count much of that as coming from the CMC deal. So to use the other 2 picks from it this year to trade up and take him, he needs to be active and make some plays.

At least 2, my guess is 3 You can't fire him before the end of the second season, because if you do, it means Bryce has not been playing well and it probably would be tough to attract a quality HC candidate knowing they would be tied to a QB that just got their HC fired for at least a year. Which is why my guess is 3, Reich picked his guy in Bryce, you have to give him a fair chance to see if you can turn him into a high end starter in this league. Bryce would have to be worse than Zack Wilson has been before the end of next year for him to not be the slated starter in 2025. If Bryce and Reich are bad enough through 3 years that they need to be fired/cut, then we'll have a high enough pick in 2026 to be able to attract a quality HC who would then get to pick his own QB. Now having said all that, let's hope that never happens and Bryce becomes the player that this organization thought they were drafting.

The Dolphins wouldn’t even pick up the phone. Having said that, I’d lose my poo if we were able to make that trade, I love Waddle and would be over the moon to make that trade.

First round draft pick who hasn't cracked 1,000 yards yet in 3 seasons, has on numerous occasions had visible blow ups on the field/sideline towards both refs and his own teammates, and whose team is possibly looking at trading him for a mid round pick instead of trying to re-sign him because they don't want him (not because they can't afford him like with the Bengals and Higgins). In 43 career games he has a total of 5 100 yard games and scored a TD in a total of 7 games (one of them he had 3 TDs) What about that says he's a player we should be giving up draft capital for and then eating into our cap room we finally will have next year????? Just because someone was a highly regarded prospect coming out of college doesn't mean they're living up to it, Jeudy is a pretty clear case of a player not living up to the expectations, if he was, the Broncos wouldn't even begin to consider trading him.

LOL, with James Cook and Waddle on my fantasy squad, plus with how good that game should be, I'll be paying a lot of attention to that game as well. I honestly hadn't thought of that until I posted it yesterday, but I'm now very curious about it as I do remember Bryce doing a ton of audibles at the line. It really does make me wonder if most of this Reich play calling bashing isn't warranted, that a lot of it could have just been Bryce decisions at the line.

He's also a Free Agent after next year (with a $13 million cap hit next year), so it's not just a 3rd, but it's a 3rd plus a sizable contract or else it's not worth giving up what few draft assets we have just to have him for the rest of the season. There are better WRs in this FA class and he's as diva as WRs get in today's game, so why give up draft assets and then a new contract for someone who isn't a good fit with Bryce and his style of play (spreading the ball around) when we could keep our pick and cap room to try and go after a better WR in FA this summer?

I "keep brining this up"?!?!?! Literally only the 2nd time I've said anything about you being so wrong about your pre-season predictions and the other was when you posted an apology to another poster and all I did was say that I also accepted your apology for being wrong. That's it, literally the only time I've mentioned how horribly wrong you were all summer long. And here I wasn't even talking about all that, all I said was it was quite a shift for you in 4 weeks to go from "this is a team that will contend" to "we're giving away a top 2 pick" YOU were the one who then tried to lie just now and say you never said that stuff, you could have just let it go, but you decided to again lie and say that I keep bringing this up, despite the FACT that I have not. You must just be confusing me with the many other people on here who have called you out for this in the past couple weeks. Here's a wild thought, if you don't want people bringing up how god awful your predictions about this season were, maybe don't spend an entire summer calling people dumb and making outlandish predictions, but to each their own. You've created this narrative in your head that I stalk you on here just to bad mouth you. But the FACT is that you post in almost every thread and usually the same nonsense, it's not hard to stumble across your posts by accident, the hard part is only responding to a select few of them, as most are just batshit crazy ideas that wouldn't even work in Madden.

LOL my dude, you spent all summer talking about how this team was a contender and yelling at anyone who tried to tell you that we weren’t Everyone here knows it, it’s not worth trying to lie about it hahahahahaha

Wait a second, so you’re telling me that teams with Jonathan Taylor had good running games? SHOCKING

You literally thought this team was a SB contender 4 weeks ago, quite the swing there

We took the wrong QB if we want to be a run based team, I don't think Reich wants to be a run based team either, he wants to air it out. Bryce's biggest asset is supposed to be his brain and reading defenses, you don't put that type of QB into a run based offense where, they belong in a pass based offense to read where the holes in the defense will be and to pick them apart. If you want to be a run based team, you don't trade up as high and you draft AR.

People predicting pass attempts sub 30 must think he isn't going to finish the game or our defense is going to completely shut down the Vikings His 2 games so far were both somewhat low scoring defensive battles where he had 33 and 38 pass attempts The Vikings have a great offense that will put up points on us and a bad pass defense, Reich just showed us the kind of offense he wants to run, a lot of passes, Bryce is throwing it at least 30 times, potentially 40+

I would take that in a heartbeat right now, no question about it. Would give us Bryce’s top WR from his Heisman season in the 2nd year of a rookie contract and picks we badly need. I don’t see the Lions doing it though as they’d have to pay Burns this summer and then Hutchinson even more next summer. We would need them to get hot between now and the deadline and badly need pass rushing help to put them into true contender status for them to even consider it I’d imagine.

I’ve brought it up before out of interest on our bad, knowing there may be none on the other side. They wouldn’t trade him for a pick, but I wonder if it could be Burns for Williams and a high pick. Doubtful, but still something I’d personally love to see

Jeudy strikes me as too much of a locker room issue if he’s not getting enough targets, and Bryce seems like the type of QB who won’t try to force things to one WR. If we didn’t need to immediately give him a sizeable contract I’d be more on board, but I just don’t think it’s a good enough fit for us at the moment. I’d be all for going after Sutton instead though

I’m not mad at 10.3, 13.5, and 14 points from him (PPR), sure I wish he had a boom game by now, but none of those are busts really, he’s been better than half of the top 25 drafted RBs this year. He isn’t going to get much rushing yards against the Titans this week, it’s a matter of how many catches he gets and if he can get into the end zone. My other RBs are Kyren and James Cook, both feel like safer plays than Mixon this week, and I’m not playing Thielen over Waddle, Olave, or Ridley. So I’m debating Mixon in a tough matchup or Thielen in a great matchup and against his old team for my 2nd flex spot.

I'd be curious to go back and watch the first 2 games to see how many plays Bryce called audibles at the LOS, because it feels like it happened a lot. Everyone has been bashing Frank's play calling, but is there a chance that our super brained QB was just being fooled by defenses into calling bad audibles and running his own poor gameplan?

I'll say this knowing full well it could break this site for the most poo'd post ever, but....... I honestly wouldn't care if he moved the team. I've been a die hard fan since year 2 (as you can see from my user name choice) but I have no connection to the Carolina's and the only times I've ever been in either state was my one trip to Charlotte for a home game (happened to be Clausen's first start, smh) and when I visited Clemson in high school while considering going there. So if he moved the team, I'd have no real issue with it as I'd still be a fan and not losing my football team from my city. Okay, poo away............

As a Panthers fan I agree with this As a fantasy football player who is debating about making a very bold move to start Thielen over Mixon this week, I kinda care about the stats as well, at least in regards to Thielen, lol. Mixon has a really tough matchup and Thielen looks like the clear #1 target in this offense and is playing against his old team, feels like they're going to try and get him a bunch of catches (it's a PPR league) and a TD.

Can the answer be a mix? I'd like a draft evaluator from the Eagles system (clearly the best drafting team in recent years) I'd like a cap manager from the Saints system (still have no idea how they do what they do with the cap) I'd like a free agency person from the Patriots system (have consistently found ways to fill their holes over the years to stay competitive)

Gotta mean Bryce is playing Sunday, or at least that's the plan as of now, right? Would be weird to fill the spot and then cut someone else Wednesday to bring in another QB, as we'd need a 2nd to dress if Bryce is out.

Except you're kinda helping to prove my point a little bit, it's clear Tepper wasn't the ultimate final call on Watson as we didn't end up getting him. I never said he doesn't have influence on what we do, I said the trade itself was 99% him, I don't think we make the trade if he doesn't force the issue. It basically was the same situation as the movie Draft Day, the GM/Coach weren't going to make a trade up to #1 until the owner stepped in and told them they had to make a splash move. I think once they did that, Tepper wanted to be there to see everything and listen in on the discussions and I wouldn't blame him for wanting to be, this is what he hopes is the pick that will get him a SB and lead his franchise for the next 10-15 years. But I 100% think in the end he let the staff make the call, he let them assemble this all start staff with a lot of QB experience, I think he let them make their choice and would have been okay with either Bryce or Stroud, whichever they all wanted.