tukafan21

I mean, I obviously don't think he will, which is why it's really "you don't trade any firsts until we replace him" but I still have to say it that way.

The first and most important thing is that under no circumstances, do we trade ANY of our own future 1st round picks until Bryce either proofs himself an Elite QB or we replace him. I don't care if the Vikings offer us Jefferson for a single first, he's worthless to us without a QB (okay, that's obviously hyperbole, you take that offer, but you know what I mean). There is a very real possibility that we're picking in the Top 5 of the 2025 draft, if that's the case and there is a QB worth taking, you cut bait and do it.

Everything else aside, he just doesn't even have an NFL arm. It's alarming that the #1 overall pick can't throw a quick 10 yard out with enough on it for the ball to beat the DB to the WR. The rest is also bad, but if you don't have even a minimally adequate arm strength, none of it matters.

Put Burns on the Browns or Cowboys defense and he's going to put up video game numbers A pass rusher can only be so good when their team is constantly playing from behind, doesn't have other pass rushers, and struggles in the secondary. Teams can focus their blocking gameplan on Burns, they have no fear of anyone else on the defense. And when our DB's can't cover well enough to force the QB to hold the ball for that extra second, it makes it hard for any pass rusher to get home before the ball is away. I'm not saying Burns is on Parsons or Garrett's level, but the defense Burns plays on absolutely hurts his ability to get sacks on numerous levels.

And letting Burns walk for free after turning down trades at both deadlines would be maybe the most absurd story in FA history. Fitterer would get DESTROYED in the media for it, it would cost him his job and nobody in the NFL would touch him for any front office job, let alone a GM again. That's why he'll be 100% tagged if they can't come to a deal before then (honestly not sure he can be traded until tagged, doubt it).

I think it's his agent knowing the Panthers screwed themselves in negotiations when the Rams offer was leaked I'd bet that information leaking out raised the cost for the Panthers to re-sign him by $5 million a year. Once they did that, we lost all leverage in any negotiations with him, they know they either will get us to WAY overpay, or they'll be able to force a trade to a team that will only slightly overpay for him, but likely go to more of a contending team. Win-Win for Burns whichever way it plays out

Because we can't agree to a contract with him It's not about wanting to trade him, it's about finding the best possible ending to a bad situation. WAY overpaying him and letting him walk for free are both unacceptable situations, so if he won't sign a fair market value contract, then the only legitimate option we have left is trade him. And at this point, I'm not sure he's taking a fair market contract offer from us, if he was, a deal would be done by now, no?

Even if we want to just move past him, we'll still tag and trade him after turning down trades at this deadline, let alone turning a good one down last year. I know "things happen" but not tagging Burns won't be one of them, lot of ways it can play out, but short of him having a horrific injury that threatens him long term, he'll be re-signed or tagged, never will just walk for free in FA

Star was never going to be franchised and I can't remember why Peppers wasn't tagged so I can't speak to it, too long ago. The Norman situation was super unique, can't ever remember a team just pulling a tag at that point in the process and letting them walk for free, was very weird, but also a different GM. But just that they turned down the trade last year and then again more this year, there is just 0% chance they would let him walk without tagging him. More likely they put the non-exclusive tag on him and just hope he signs somewhere else so they get the 2 firsts and don't even have to try and work out a trade.

Okay, first things first, the people saying he's going to walk and we're going to get nothing/compensatory for him just need to stop, that's just flat out pure ignorance or stupidity, your which you'd rather be called. My best guess at this point is a franchise tag and hold out until he's either traded or sits the first 8 weeks of the season and shows up when he has to in order to get credit for the season. It just feels like the team and Burns must be too far apart to have get a deal done or it already would have been done, and I can't see him playing week 1 on the tag at this point, not with how this has all gone. I think in the end he gets traded for a first and a good starting player, hopefully being a WR. I could very well see it being Higgins and Bengals 1st for Burns in the end. I'd also very much be on board with trying to find a way to get Aiyuk out of a Burns trade, as they're going to have to trade him in the offseason with their cap issues, but they won't be able to pay Burns anyways, so not sure how we'd swing that other than Burns for 2 firsts somewhere else and then flip one of them for Aiyuk.

Could see it having been the Lions with their need for a pass rusher and Maxx Crosby having talked about how he grew up a Lions fan and wanted to be drafted by them. Also could have been teams trying to call about Renfrow, maybe even the Lions seeing as they ended up trading for another WR

I absolutely love it, even if I lived in Charlotte, I'd get it for fantasy football purposes. I've got a great set up for Sunday watching this season thanks to it. Panthers game on my laptop while in the recliner, quad box of games on the projector that goes out to about 140" screen I think, so each game is still pretty big, and then the TV gets one of the local games or Red Zone if I have no fantasy implications in the local broadcasts. Even with the Panthers being terrible, it's been the most fun I've had watching the NFL in a while. Way better than being at the bar with all the games, as I get the Panthers game sound and then can jump around the ones with sound as needed in the quad box.

Given the state of our WRs, I have to imagine they haven't seen much from him in practice as a WR and only plan on using him as a returner unless an emergency dictates him needing to be in on offense. Maybe I've missed it, but I don't remember seeing him take any snaps on offense yet.

He had 117 tackles as a rookie, then had 107 tackles his second season (along with 6 TFL's), and had 5 QB hits in each season (only 1 each of last year and this) Even last season he had 70 tackles despite missing 6 games. Hell, even this season despite only playing about 1/3 of the snaps, he was on pace to have 65 tackles over a 17 game season, just imagine if he was getting full playing time. Before he got hurt, felt like there were multiple plays a game that you noticed him flying around to make a tackle, which isn't something you generally notice for someone playing as few snaps as him. I don't think it's the player in this scenario, everything points to him being used incorrectly

Unless we're able to re-sign Burns before FA starts and/or find a way to clear up a bunch of cap room before it starts, then I can't see how we'll be making any splash signings. Think we're supposed to have a little over $40 million in cap space, but if we have to tag Burns, think we have to keep that space open even before he signs it, and that number should come in around 22-25 million for his tag next year. Not sure we can really make a splash with 15 million in space, have too many holes that need to be filled to use it all in one place. Another reason I was hoping to trade Burns now, so we just had all that cap room to go after big name FA's on day 1.

All fair, but I think teams view players who backslide as much as Claypool did in a worse way than those who just haven't tapped into their potential like with a TMJ, especially when you add in the attitude and effort issues Claypool has shown these last 2 seasons. Add in how much he fell off a cliff once he didn't have a HOF QB throwing him the ball (yes Ben wasn't the best in his final years, but it was more bad mistakes, he still got his WRs the ball), and it makes it seem like his first 2 years of production was more the QB and offense than him.

Sure, but he also had a HOF throwing him the ball, he's done jack squat since Ben retired and was openly showing horribly effort and attitude on the field this year. TMJ's 9 catch for 56 yard game this year was better than anything Claypool did with the Bears. They both suck, but if Claypool can get something in a trade, so can TMJ

The opportunity to get something decent like a 4 or 5 went out the window when he got hurt, but I think teams would have still done a late round pick or 6/7 swap for him. Small price to pay to get the guy in the building the rest of the season and see if you can convince him to re-sign in the spring.

I'm also shocked we didn't trade Chinn, I'd have taken literally a 7th for him at this point. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Chinn and think he will be a longtime starter in this league, but this staff hasn't figured out how to use him so they just don't put him on the field. Unless we play him near 100% of the snaps once he's healthy again, there is a 0% chance he's coming back here. Why would you re-sign with the team that just spent the season refusing to put you on the field? So now we're going to keep him and watch him walk away for nothing in free agency, what a way to ruin the potential of a guy who came in 2nd in the DROY voting

Claypool was able to be traded for a pick and he's looked worse these last 2 years than TMJ has ever looked, on top of having a horrible attitude. If we were to cut him, he'd get signed immediately, someone out there would do the 6/7 swap for him

As Panthers fans we just want to get rid of him at this point given where we drafted him and the expectations we had. But there is no denying that he still has potential and is good enough to be on someone's roster to see if a change in scenery can tap into the potential. Pairing him back up with his LSU teammates in Cinci to me just seems like the best chance in doing so, and add in that he has another year on his deal and they lose Higgins, just seems like a fit to me.

Yea, a minute after posting I realized 4/5 was a dumb ask, but I still contend that we should be trading him to them and they should want him given the Higgins situation and LSU connection between TMJ and their guys. So maybe it's the 6/7 swap along with it, but we really should have been trying to trade him there and get SOMETHING for him instead of just cutting him at some point

Why are we not at a minimum trying to trade TMJ to the Bengals for like a 4th or 5th. They seem like the perfect place for him with Burrow/Chase to team back up with and knowing they'll lose Higgins after the season, they'd have him under contact for next year to see if they can do anything with him

Practice Squad doesn’t mean what it used to now that they changed the rules for it to allow vets on it. It basically lets you carry extra players on the 53 man roster for 3 weeks The Rams starting RB the last 2 weeks is also on their PS as you can activate someone from the PS 3 times before you have to make them a full time 53 man roster player

Difference is the entire league knew Washington had zero interest in keeping him. They already have too much money tied up on their DL, he wasn’t even a tag and trade candidate because of that, he was always going to be let go and get a compensatory puck for him.