tukafan21

It's not something you want to happen, but again, it happens on every team in every sport and every season. Sometimes it doesn't cost your team the game and just makes a great team have a close game against a bad team, but it happens. How do you think the Bills lost to the Dolphins this week? Same thing, they figured it was an easy win, probably didn't give their 110% attention/effort in the week leading into the game, expecting it to be a cake walk blowout win. And again, I'm not saying this is a good thing or that I'm happy it happened, but to pretend this is some groundbreaking revelation that is unheard of, is just asinine, it's the exact opposite of that, it's expected and mundane.

Totally fair points, but I think it's being overlooked that the locker room seems to genuinely like and believe in Bryce. You sign a guy off the street and bench Bryce for them, you're going to lose the locker room in an instant and it will cause much bigger problems moving forward than just putting up with Bryce the rest of the year. And yes, that would be way better for T-Mac's production, but as I've said all year long, while I want to see T-Mac succeed, I'm not rooting for that over the team itself and in particular, our long term outlook. So like I said above, I think that would be great for T-Mac's production, but terrible for the overall locker room and team morale, which would lead into an ugly offseason. You just have to let Bryce finish out the year as it's what will keep the players engaged and caring, benching their guy is a good way to get players to quit and/or just be pissed at the organization. If this is in Week 3 or something, it's a different scenario, but there are only 7 games left in the season, we're pot committed and just need to play out our hand at this point.

I’m clearly no Bryce fan, but I’m not sure signing and playing guys who can’t even stay on a roster or practice squad isn’t going to alleviate your issues with watching us play

I love how everyone is acting so surprised by this, it's actually pretty comical that it's a shock to anyone. This is how it is in ALL sports. It's the same reason we were in tight games last year against teams like KC and Philly. I'll bet the same people surprised by this right now are the same ones who thought those games were the proof that Bryce was legit and this team wasn't far from being in contention. Teams have down weeks, whether it happens because they're playing a weak opponent so don't think they need to take the week as serious or because a team just got too big headed after a good streak of games/wins, it just happens. There have been very few teams who have ever been 100% locked in every week, you're talking about 2007 Patriots or 95-96 Bulls type of teams there. Hell, just look at the Bills this week, there was no reason for them to lose that game and they got blown out. But sure, we're the franchise with the culture problems because a few guys got their head over their skis this past week.

I genuinely don't see the point in starting anyone other than Bryce or Dalton the rest of the season. We're not finding our long term solution off the scrap heap at this time of the year, so no need to "see what they've got" And even if Bryce and/or Dalton continue to be terrible and cost us games. Again, what's the point in trying to "fix" that at this point in the year, just take the losses and better draft positioning while making it much easier to move on from Bryce in the offseason after he's finally lost all his support amongst fans so nobody is upset when we cut for trade him for a conditional 7th rounder. There is an argument to be made that bringing in a better QB will still allow for the pass catchers to develop more. But again, at this point, that ship seems sailed, there isn't a Jameis gunslinger type out there where it would do what is intended. Even a Hooker or White type of guy is going to take time to develop any timing with these guys and it won't help much before the season is over.

It's not even about always splitting with the Falcons When you embarrass a team like we did that game (although one could argue they embarrassed themselves with their play that day), and then you play them again at a point their season seems all but lost, it then turns into that team's SB game for that season. I have a feeling we not only lose, but lose by double digits

And a large number of fans will go nuts celebrating that win "because we've been poo for so long" instead of being able to objectively realize how winning that game hurts the franchise overall.

The big problem with this is Steichen >>>>> Canales Not to mention they have a legitimate MVP candidate right now in Taylor. And while we like Rico and Hubbard, c'mon, now even the most die hard Panthers fan isn't dumb enough to think they're anywhere near his level.

Offensive assistant, to passing game coordinator, to offensive coordinator, to head coach. Not saying he'll be any or all of those things, but that's probably the career path I'd see him trying to follow. Because like you said, I can't see him being a QB coach if he can't get the fundamentals down right himself. But those other coaching positions are more about game planning and play design/calling than actual on field coaching up of players. And that's an area where I think his football brain could end up panning out for him to have a decent post playing career.

If Jameis was our QB this year for 17 games, T-Mac would have won OROY, there is no question in my mind about that.

Where would this rank if spread out to only a 16 game season? Because remember, this is only the 5th season of having 17 games, so even with an extra game over 26 of our seasons in franchise history and it still only would rank 19th best (and again, that's ignoring how some players didn't play 16 games in those other seasons like you said)

You can be a millionaire transferring to almost any Power 4 school to be their starting QB these days. Think I saw last offseason that the projected going rate for a Power 4 transfer QB was $2 million. Jalen Milroe was a 3rd round pick this year and signed a 4 year deal worth $6.2 million, with only $1.2 million of it guaranteed. Michigan's Freshman QB is making over $3 million this year, and you know those numbers are only going to keep going up for QBs. So again, unless you're certain you're going to be a Top 10 pick, just stay in school for another year (or two pending eligibility) and bank a ton of money before going into the draft as even a 3rd round pick where you might end up making less money in a career on practice squads than you did in those final 2 years in college alone. Plus, I'd think getting another year or two in college as a king of the campus would be way more fun than being a backup QB in the NFL anyways.

I think there's an argument to be made that not only is there no rush to go pro, but unless you're a sure fire can't miss QB prospect, you're better off staying in college than declaring for the draft. If you're even in the discussion of being a mid round draft pick at QB and you put your name in the portal, even if you want to stay at your current school, you're going to get a massive NIL bag dropped at your feet to stay in school. Non first round QB's can make more in one season through NIL than they'll make on their entire rookie contract these days. If you're not a guaranteed Top 10 pick, it's to the point where entering the draft is dumber than just playing one more year in college unless you think you're going to get badly exposed and ruin your NFL prospects in the process.

He's terrible on camera with a microphone in his face, way too soft spoken to ever make it as a commentator, honestly think he'd be worse at that than he is as a player. It's actually always bothered me, for as "polished" as a prospect he was off the field, he just doesn't have that leadership type of voice when speaking with the media. You see other rookie QBs come in and nail it immediately, but we're in year 3 and he still has that "aww shucks" boy-ish mentality when speaking to the media. Genuinely wouldn't shock me to see him end up in coaching, would be a good way to use his "super brain" that his physical limitations don't make up for at this level.

Mahomes backup It really would be a good situation for both sides. Bryce sucks, but he does have some Mahomes-esque style of play at times. He'd be a great addition to the QB room on non gamedays and likely be a good asset for Mahomes to bounce things off of on the sideline during games too. He'd always be mentally ready to play if called upon and could probably execute a lot of KC's plays well, as they do well at scheming players open as well as their large portfolio of trick plays that don't require much from the QB other than mini tosses on their jet sweep type of plays. He could be a long term backup option for them so they don't have to keep cycling in new backups. Now if Mahomes ever really goes down for good for a season, they're screwed, but that would be the case with most backups anyways and think what he'd provide as a pure backup would be better than most other options.

Again, I'm not saying he isn't a great player and I'm not saying he isn't the heartbeat of our team. But a team with a Top 5 draft pick would be better off just using the pick themselves than trading it 1 for 1 for DB. That's still a true elite prospect who will then be on a rookie contract. And that's before even factoring in, if there is a QB available there, there is a 1 million percent chance, someone will be offering a significantly better trade than just DB for that pick. These aren't insults to DB, they're just objectively understanding the value of a Top 5 pick vs a 28 year old DT who's main role is as a space eater and run stuffer as opposed to being a pass rushing menace.

I despise this argument sooooooooooooo much, because yes, he very much asked for it and gamed the system to ensure it happened. He put on bad weight before the combine so he'd weigh in at a number that didn't scare teams off. Because of that he didn't do any physical testing, because he knew he wasn't in the right condition to do them well. Then he cut the weight by his pro day so he could perform better, while then not allowing himself to be re-weighed in at that time, because it would show he wasn't as big as he seemed to be at the combine. They purposefully hid his deficiencies to ensure he was taken at the top of the draft, knowing if they let him perform side by side with the other prospects, he'd have been exposed and fallen in the draft. I get it, you can't blame him for trying to get drafted as high as possible, but it's why the "he didn't ask for it" reasoning falls completely flat with me in regards to Bryce.

If you're a GM with a Top 5 pick and you trade that pick for a 28 year old DT with a big contract, and nothing else, you're getting fired before that other team is even able to use the draft pick they got off you. If there is a QB worth taking at that spot, to begin with, if you're picking in the Top 5, there is a good chance you need to take that QB yourself. Beyond that, if you didn't, there would be multiple offers of multiple 1sts to move up to that spot. If you're taking a 28 year old with a big contract over the multiple first round picks, then you're just an idiot. This is no offense to DB, love the guy, but he's not an Aaron Donald type of DT who is racking up big sack numbers. There is no world where he's worth turning down multiple first round picks (and probably other assets) to take just him back in exchange. If someone is offering us 2 1sts and say a player, maybe another 2nd or 3rd round pick there too, for DB, I'm taking that offer so fast my head will spin. Which is why no team is turning down that trade to take the offer of DB either. Only chance would be if it's a team who lucked into that draft pick through a previous trade (like maybe the Rams with the Falcons pick) and they feel they are a Derrick Brown away from being the SB favorite that season, and even then, I'm not sure they turn down the draft picks based offers.

Even if that's the case, we'll still likely end up picking in the early teens in the end instead of another Top 10 pick to help build out the roster some more. I'm also of the belief that Canales should not be brought back either though, which is why those wins become bad. If Canales deserved to be kept around, they'd then be good wins as they'd help the continuing build of the team. But once we fire him, that all goes out the window at that point unfortunately as it's starting over again, and those morale boosting wins become pointless.

The problem is all those bad wins are also going to hurt our draft position in the end to replace him too. This whole season has gone about as poorly as possible in terms of our long term outlook.

Yep, that throw was EXACTLY what I've been saying on here for weeks. Those 10 yard outs where he needs to throw it 25 yards in the air from the opposite hash, he just can't zip that throw on a line and drive it properly at an NFL level. He can only throw that as a touch pass, which leads to plays exactly like that one. But when I say that, people just talk about how he can throw the ball 60 yards in the air as evidenced by his 5 throws like that in college where he was able to bounce into a perfectly balanced heave.

LOL and on the very next snap.... THAT happens

This about to be the biggest drive of Bryce's career, he needs to lead them on a TD or his Panthers career might be over.

I'd say it's more on Canales There is no way he's run that in practice correctly 100% of the time if he's doing that in the game. Which means they've seen him make that mistake in practice, haven't corrected it, but still decided to call that play in the game.