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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
tukafan21 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
This actually hurts our ability to get a #1 WR as the only path to it this year was through a Burns trade We didn't get enough back to flip for a #1 WR This was HORRIBLE- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
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The point isn't that he's worth that much money, it's that if someone was willing to apy him that much, then we should have been getting more in return for him We got fleeced, period, no way around it, 3rd time in 2 years.- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
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The only difference it makes is the level of awfulness that this trade is If it's their earlier pick, then it's really really really bad, if it's their later pick, then it's really really really really bad- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
tukafan21 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Yes it is The contract the Giants are giving him is all the proof you need that we didn't get enough for him Anyone worth a $30 million a year contract should never be traded for less than a 1st, let alone a 2nd and a future 5th- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
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Honestly, just the fact that they gave him a contract worth $30 a year is proof that he shouldn't have been traded for less than a 1st, let alone a 2nd and a future 5th We just got fleeced on a 3rd trade in the past 2 years, unbelievable- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
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2nd and a 5th?!?!?!?!?! fug this franchise, what a joke, fire Morgan immediately- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
tukafan21 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
There are probably only a dozen non QB's in the entire NFL that a team would give up the 6th pick in the draft for when they know they then have to give that player a $25+ million contract to And spoiler alert, Burns sure as poo aint one of those players.- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
tukafan21 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
lol of course 6 is off the table If 6 was on the table we would probably throw in cash to pay part of Burns' salary- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
tukafan21 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
There literally isn't a position we're set at We have one elite player on the entire roster in Brown, but after that, there honestly isn't a player locked into a single starting spot as of this moment outside of Thielen, Bryce, and Horn. One of whom is likely already a bust that we're forced to start, another hasn't been able to stay healthy, and Thielen is a slot WR who has maybe 1 or 2 years left in his career. Even Moton isn't locked in as they could decide to cut their losses due to the cap hit if they can't re-work a deal. Ickey isn't locked in at LT as they could end up moving him to LG. And on defense, outside of Burns and Horn, I'm not sure we even have any average starters, so nobody is locked in to any spot yet.- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
tukafan21 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Yes, sorry, I didn't mean they had a full agreement already ironed out and in place, but they 100% already had a high level discussion and agreement on relative compensation. There would be no point in the teams working out a deal, only to find out the Giants and Burns were too far apart to come to a deal. It would literally waste everyone's time, the Panthers, the Giants, and Burns, so it just would never have gotten to this point unless the Giants and Burns were at least in the same ballpark. While at the same time, the Panthers and Giants also had to be in the same ball park of compensation for it to get to this point. None of that is to say it can't fall apart in the end, it's just saying that the threat of Burns blowing the deal up by refusing to sign his franchise tender so they can complete the trade, is a complete non-starter, as they're too far into the process for that to even be a concern to any party.- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
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This is all completely moot There is a 0% chance that either the Giants or Panthers are discussing any deal, let alone deep into negotiations, if the Giants and Burns haven't talked and come to a general agreement on a contract extension, as it would be a complete waste of everyone's time if that wasn't already done.- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
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Yea, I saw your post and chose to ignore it because it was stupid I never once said we shouldn't be spending money, I've said time and time again that we need to spend it wisely. No, I don't love paying that much for a guard, but he fits the mold of who I said we should be spending on, someone young enough that can be a good player for not only this contract, but still young enough to sign another with us when this one is done. I was against throwing enough money at Ridley to come here instead of going to a contender, as his age at his position doesn't make him likely to be even elite for the length of a 3-4 year contract, let alone sign another after.- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
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I think you are joking here, but that wouldn't be a nightmare scenario, it would be the final nail in the coffin of this franchise. It would mean firing a coach for the 3rd straight year, to hire a guy who is NOT an NFL coach, his style won't work with NFL players, it only can work with college kids. And then you'd be drafting his son and thus locking yourself into a situation for 3 years where you can't fire the coach no matter how bad it goes because it would then basically make your QB refuse to play for you if you did. That's all also before even taking into consideration that Sanders is nowhere near as good as the hype around him is, if he was as good as the hype, Colorado wouldn't have been as bad as they were this year- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
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In what world? If we don't get a 1st plus more for Burns, then we're making a bad trade, period. I know the fans here don't think he's worth it, but the NFL does, and that's all that matters, the teams in the league view Burns in an absurdly better light than 99.99% of the fans here. And the Bengals 100% would take a 1st in exchange for Higgins who has asked to be traded, it doesn't sound like he has any interest in playing on the tag there there year.- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
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Really what we should be looking for is their 1st next season and their second 2nd rounder from this year. Then try to flip the 1st for Higgins- 543 replies
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Do we even have a 2nd best defensive player now after Brown? Honestly, who is the 2nd best player on this defense if you remove both Burns and Luvu? Probably Horn in reality, but given his injury history, not sure if you can consider him that, really don't know who would be next in line.
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
tukafan21 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
If that's what we get, Morgan should be fired immediately Our fans are stupid, the league values Burns WAY more than 99% of the fans on here, that would be a god awful return on him.- 543 replies
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BREAKING: Giants looking to trade for Brian Burns
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They aren't giving up their 1st this year, so unless we get their 1st next year as part of a deal, I'm going to be furious. Two 2nd's is not the trade to make, I'd rather trade him for 1 pick towards the end of the 1st round than the two 2nd's It's the exact same mistake we made with the CMC trade in taking the point value based on the stupid draft chart. You can't do that with players of this caliber, it doesn't add up on the field.- 543 replies
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I've said it so many times before on here, but far too many people confuse being an NFL #1 with being a fantasy #1 So they only look at a WR #1 as someone who is a top 10-12 player at their position, even if there are 32 starters in the NFL at that position. Sure, everyone wants a Top 10 player at any position, but only 10 teams in the league have one of those
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BTW, this is also coming from someone who is a big fan of Ridley's play on the field. I think he's outstanding and even bet my fantasy season on pairing him with Lawrence this past year, I way overpaid for them in my auction draft as I think he's a stud. My view on it is really more around Bryce and that I think he's a bum that we'll be replacing as early as next year if we don't get a player like Ridley. And if we get a player like Ridley, we'll be replacing Bryce in 2-3 years, which at that time, Ridley's game will be fading due to his age. Put the money into younger players that can still be around and playing at a high level when we finally right the ship
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I don't know the number I'd be comfortable with as much as I know it won't be as high as it would take to sign him. But I'm also in the camp of belief that Bryce can't be fixed, at least not to the point of being an elite QB that you can contend for championships with. I'd rather not get a top WR this year and suck because of that, while putting us in a position to draft a Bryce replacement, than sign a WR who only has 2-3 years of top level play left and watch them turn Bryce into an average game manager and set back when we can actually re-build another 3-5 years because of it. Again, for me with him, it's his age and the contract we'd need to give him. If he was in the 24-26 age range to where he could realistically have 5-7 years of high end play with us, then I'd be much more for it. For me it's the very high level view of things, Ridley seems like a quick fix to one problem that will only create multiple and worse other problems in a year or two. Which is something we have to stop doing, we need to build smart, not look for quick fixes as they never work for a team needing a full on rebuild.
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He's going to get crazy money There isn't another elite WR on the non franchise tag FA market this year, the next best WR is Hollywood Brown, who isn't even remotely in the same league as Ridley is. That combined with the unexpected cap increase, someone will give him a monster contract, no doubt about it. Hence my concern with signing him, because for him to sign with us over basically any other team in the league, we're going to need to go above and beyond the other deals offered to him. Which to me, doesn't make sense given his age.
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I'm very torn on going after Ridley and think I'd prefer us not to in the end. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great WR and in a vacuum I'd love to have him, but for me there is a serious concern in both what it will take to sign him and the long term implications of it. Even though he's only played 4.5 seasons, he's already 29 and turns 30 before the next season will end. This is his only chance at signing a big contract given his age and he will have plenty of suitors out there trying to get him, many of them with legit contending chances, like the Jags resigning him or even someone like KC going after him. If he's going to pass up signing with a contender to sign with us, it's because we dropped a massive bag at his feet to do so and he couldn't turn it down because he won't get another chance at big FA money. If we're going to massively overpay for a WR, it shouldn't be one who turns 30 this year and only has a couple years left before age starts to catch them, it should be someone younger who can be here for 5-7 years. Dropping a bag at a 29 year old WR's feet is something you do when they're the final piece of a puzzle to contend, not your hail mary pass to try and save your awful QB's career when you have TONS of other holes on the team. As even if he were to help turn Bryce around, in 2-3 years he won't be an elite WR anyways and if he's the only reason Bryce was moderately successful during that time, we'd be right back in the same place as we are now, a QB who needs an elite WR to be successful, but without an elite WR on the roster. Find a way to overpay Aiyuk, Higgins, Pittman, etc, before doing it with someone like Ridley at his age.
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His cap hits are $63 million a year the rest of his contract. He’d have a $200 million dead cap if cut this year and $136 million if they cut him next year. The only thing they could do if they wanted to move on from him during these next 2 years is to just bench him. Even to get rid of him the next year would be a $72 million dead cap hit. Worst contract ever
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Quirky yes, but not old, at least not in modern NFL QB standards for a player with his pedigree, he should have a few more solid years left in him (I don't think he was all that bad this past year, he just had a horrible team around him and a coach who was purposefully tanking on him so he could have a justified reason to do exactly this). The quirky part is the bigger issue in finding a landing spot. The fact that former teammates have come out and talked about how he doesn't give out his cell phone to even offensive teammates, that they have to go through his agent to talk to him, is SUPER weird, for any NFL player, let alone a QB. It's about the antithesis for what today's QB's should be doing and is the reason I wouldn't want anything to do with him if I was a team looking for a QB, even if I do think he still has a few decent years left in him.