tukafan21

Nah, it was the worst pick all on it's own, even before factoring in the trade Russell is the only one who could compete with it, but at least with him, they took someone with a big arm and some solid physical traits. It's not even close, Bryce is the biggest bust in NFL draft history, the trade just makes it one of the worst draft picks of all time, of any sport, it's THAT bad

This isn't DJ or CMC, he's 34 and won't be on the roster next season, what good is he doing on this team when he could bring us back a mid round pick from a contender wanting to make a run this year? I'd literally take a 7th rounder for him at this point just because it's something, which is better than the nothing we'll get in return for him being a cap cut this offseason.

Yes and it was entirely predictable, every fan could see it, front offices over think everything and believe they're smarter than they really are

Yep, off the top of my head there are a number of teams I think could be interested and would give up like a 4th rounder for him Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Cowboys, Eagles, Lions, and probably a few others would love to get a steady slot presence like him. I'd make this move first thing tomorrow if I'm the FO

He's a player who can help a contending franchise right now, I'm sure there are a number of teams that would give up a mid round pick for him to help them make a run this year. We need more draft assets anyways and he's just going to be wasted here the rest of this year and likely not be brought back next year anyways, get something for him while we can.

Bryce at QB isn't keeping our WRs from creating even an inch of separation Bryce at QB isn't making our OL act like turnstiles to allow pass rushers through. Replacing Bryce with Dalton doesn't fix our issues, the only thing it can do is hurt our draft position. We've spent years trying to patch the holes of a sinking boat instead of just actually trying to do a real re-build. Every year we keep trying to patch that sinking ship instead of just building a new one, we set ourselves back even further. This is the worst franchise in the NFL since the mid 2000's Lions, it's that bad right now. Wanting to win some meaningless games is just dumb.

They are? Who? Dionte Johnson? The player who the team widely regarded as the best at identifying WR talent over the last couple decades decided to give up on and trade him for a player we were going to cut anyways? Mingo or Legette who haven't lived up to their draft expectations? Hubbard or Sanders? LOL Thielen is our best player on offense and he's on the wrong side of 30 with only a year or so left of being a useful player. Yes Bryces drags everyone down, but he's dragging down the worst roster in the league to just being worse, even with a halfway competent QB, we have a garbage roster right now. Benching Bryce doesn't fix that, it just hurts out draft position to fix the problems in the future.

I'd respect Tepper a million times more if he was forcing them to play Bryce right now. It would be the first time in YEARS that we were playing the long game as opposed to looking for the quick fix

So you'd rather win pointless games in a meaningless season with players who won't be on this team in 2 years instead just so you can feel some self worth as a fan? THAT is the loser mentality, it's not being able to stomach the bad times for the long term betterment of your favorite team because you're just sick of the losing. I will die on this hill until my last breath, fans who can't root for their team to lose when it's in the best interest of the franchise are the worst type of fans and NOT real fans. Real fans can remove their feelings from the situation and root for what actually will help their team improve. Firing Rhule and going on that run 2 years ago is LITERALLY why we're in this situation right now. It forced us to make a absurdly stupid trade to move up in the draft (taking the wrong guy just compounded the issue). And outside of the draft pick issue, how did winning those games help this franchise? Are the players who sparked that run better off for it? Hell no, most of them aren't even still on the roster anyways. Do you feel better as a fan right now because we won those games down the stretch that year? Does it still give you all the warm fuzzy feelings inside right now? Had we just stuck it out with Rhule, sucked the rest of the year and ended up with the #1 pick, even if we took Bryce, we'd have kept DJ and the rest of our picks and already been in a better position right now because we'd have had our own pick in the draft this year to replace Bryce already (not to mention the rest of the picks we'd have kept too). I root for the Panthers franchise, not the 2024 Panthers. And rooting for the Panthers franchise right now is hoping we continue to lose, period. You know the last time we embraced the suck as a Franchise? 2010, and it got us Cam in the end. But sure, let's keep hoping we win meaningless games and continue to put ourselves in this same position year in and year out.

Oh, and if he even tries to say he's going to be a 2 way player in the NFL, that's a SERIOUS red flag about him being a diva who is going to think he's the main character in everything he does. Yes, someone like him COULD play a few specialized snaps on offense here or there if he is a CB, but not full time, not at this level in today's NFL, it's just not happening.

Absolutely not If he comes in as a WR, as I've said a million times, he has no business being taken before T-Mac or Burden And if he comes in as a CB, assuming Horn makes it through the season, we have too many holes to take a 2nd elite CB, even if it would set us up with a great secondary. Not to mention the kid is going to be a diva and a problem in the NFL if/when things aren't going well, that's the M.O. of these Deion players. Put him on our garbage franchise and he's going to cause problems and be a distraction before his rookie deal is even up. He is a generational college player because of his two way ability, stop falling for that hype, it's literally what has us in this mess right now by the front office falling for Bryce's college hype, not everything at that level translates to the NFL, especially when you're talking about an undersized college player. I've been a Panthers fan for 3 decades, if we pass up a talent like T-Mac (or Burden) to take a college hype machine over them, it's the type of thing that could push me away from this franchise when it inevitably blows up in their faces.

Bryce needs to play all 17 games unless he is legitimately injured and can't play at all. We suck, nothing is changing that, it's not even halftime of Week 2 and the literal goal of the season should already be to not screw up getting the #1 pick (and then don't screw it up worse and take a QB in a bad class, trade back and start compiling picks and assets for a change, oh and then take T-Mac)

No.

Might be true, but if a team with that top pick as a true blue chip #1 WR already in house, they could view that as a big positive to help him right away as a rookie But I just want T-Mac on the Panthers so bad, haha

Take T-Mac with our first next year (with a trade back a few spots if we’re #1) and then take Arch Manning 1st overall the following year when we still suck again That’s how you build a long term contender, get an elite QB/WR pairing in back to back drafts

It was always a 2 man race for the first to be drafted, but that was always my point, that Hunter wasn't going to challenge the two of them if he enters as a WR only But T-Mac doing what he does at 6'5" is why I'd go with him over Burden, all my Arizona bias aside I'd still make that same call

I could think of at least 5 backups out there right now that the Dolphins would rather trade for than Bryce Doubt they'd even want him for a future conditional 7th, he's a complete bust, it wouldn't shock me if he never plays a snap for a team other than the Panthers in his career. We'll cut him at some point, and if he's smart he just retires, if not, I think he'll bounce around as a #3 during camp and/or practice squad type of guy for a couple of years before he hangs it up.

Told ya, he’s special and will be the best WR in the draft this year holy crap, did you see that clip they just showed? his hands are crazy strong

That’s not going to be a catch, but that was still damn impressive

He’s definitely trying to do too much tonight, but the WRs outside of T-Mac aren’t exactly getting open and they keep doubling him to force someone else to step up yea, we’ll lose this one, but T-Mac is still a beast

I’ll take it, first road game of the year, first “Big 12” game even though it’s considered non conference and only down 7 despite all the mistakes. We can win this game, just feed T-Mac and good things will happen

No he’s actually real good, just made a bad decision or two tonight so far, all QB’s do. He was the national freshman of the year last year and would have been a Heisman candidate if he had started from game 1, didn’t take over until game 4 I think

The difference is that it also works in college, it just doesn’t in the NFL lol Love Fifita, but he’s not going to be an NFL QB, even if he does end up as a Heisman candidate for the next few years

Because then he’s going into his 2nd season and no longer a rookie when you use the 1st rounder on a QB in what should be a very good QB class and have an elite pairing for the next decade and a nice SB window with them on rookie deals too.

I started a thread saying last November that he needed to be our pick in 25 lol We have had a bunch of good players at Arizona since I went there, lots that I thought would be good NFL players, some panned out and others didn’t. But there have only been 2 that I felt were can’t miss stars that will be many times over pro bowl type of players. Gronkowski and T-Mac