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Vick wasn't terrible after he came back, and you've got to think Watson was able to train better in his 2 years away from the game than Vick could while in jail. Plus Watson was younger and better than Vick was when he missed time, so it seems like a decent comparison.

I'm so sick of this guy and just want him gone, his on field play isn't worth the stupid comments that can do nothing but help team chemistry.

I think the "modest $10k" is actually a telling sign as to what this gofundme is actually about. To me, that says they're not asking for money to help raise the kids, but that they just don't have the immediate cash on hand to pay for the funeral/burial costs. In times like this, I don't care if they're related to an NFL player or Bill Gates (well okay, maybe someone with Bill Gates money wouldn't need it, but you get the point), asking for a little help so they can focus on being with their family at this time as opposed to needing to figure out how to pay for the funeral, i.e. selling stuff to raise the money or cutting other costs, is perfectly acceptable. To be honest, the thing I'm more surprised about, is that it's still sitting at such a low number and still below their goal. I know it's "just his cousin" but I'd like to think one of his new teammates (or boss) who is sitting on boatloads of liquid cash would have jumped in there and gotten them to the goal quickly.

The problem is that ours are both, among the best in the league, but also need to be updated. I love them, but we basically have had the same uniforms for the entire 25+ year existence of our franchise. If we had won a bunch of SB's, then sure, keep them and we can have a longstanding iconic look that never changes. But we haven't, nothing wrong with a shakeup, just don't do anything stupid and too far out there like some of these teams do and then end up looking like an Arena or XFL team.

You do realize Collinsworth played in the NFL for almost a decade and Billick is a SB winning HC who played in college? Not really sure the point you were trying to make with them

I think you're confusing play by play guys and color commentators. There are very few color commentators in any sport that didn't play or coach the sport, most professionally, but almost all of them collegiately for sure.

Would never happen as Jerry would never allow it, and he has a significant say in league matters, more than almost any other owner.

Isn't 10 available? Don't know why, but with his frame, 10 seems like it would look good on him to me

I'd rather Have Watson and a Vet LT from a football standpoint I'd rather have anyone other than Watson from a distraction standpoint I'd rather have Ickey and our future picks than Watson and no firsts for years (don't even need Corall to factor into that decision) from a front office standpoint I was always fine with bringing Watson on board if we could get him for cheap because of lack of interest from other teams, but 3 firsts, a third, and two fourths.... HARD PASS on that cost, let alone the fully guaranteed $200+ million when he's about to get suspended for half this season as is and hasn't played in 2 years

After everything that has happened, there is no way they can keep him on the team and keep him separate from the actual team during the season, particularly when/if Watson gets suspended for at least 6 games to start the year. Totally different scenario than to Watson last year, they HAD to have him on their active roster and had no interest in actually playing him given the situation. Baker is a good dude who did nothing wrong, the team just screwed up the situation. They can't keep him around, pay him $20 million, and just keep him away from the rest of the team, it would be a BAD look for the franchise in the eyes of other players around the league, not going to help attract people to want to play for you in the future when that's how you deal with a situation that the team caused. I'd say literally 0% chance he is on their roster come Week 1, they're paying his salary regardless if he plays or not, they won't keep that distraction around come the actual season, if they can't trade him by then, he'll get cut after the last preseason game.

The Rams had to give up multiple first round picks to get the Lions to take on Goff's salary, given the current situation, do the Browns seriously believe anyone is going to take Baker on and pay anything above the minimum salary of that contract? I love how poorly they handled this, very Browns like, in the end I think they have to cut him and get nothing for him after all this.

Love the guy, and yes sometimes the media bends things out of proportion, but he has also done and said a whole bunch of stupid stuff that helps bring it on himself at the same time. The irony of him saying sometimes women don't know when to be quiet and keep their mouth shut? There is no twisting needed from the media on things like that, just stupid to say.

See, this is the problem, because yes, Darnold is absolutely physically talented, extremely so, actually. So in camp with a better line in front of him and knowing the defense can't hit him, he's going to look like a stud out there, but come regular season games, he doesn't process things fast enough, he just doesn't have the mental side of it and makes mistakes. That's why I don't want him around at all, because even if Corral plays, he's going to have the pressure on him after every little mistake because he'll have a physically talented Darnold behind him and making good plays in practice. I think having Darnold over Corral's shoulder, will be a hinderance to him, and that's why I'd rather just cut him and bring in a cheap vet to help mentor Corral this year.

Please find a way to get Foles on this team! I would be ordering a custom authentic Foles jersey within minutes of that being announced (Arizona alum here), so go ahead and make that deal Tepper, you got my $300 right here towards paying off that contract.

He didn't necessarily do anything wrong, and I don't mean off the field in the sense of away from the facility, more about football related things but off the actual playing field. I get it, you had to let Cam be Cam, if you forced him to be something he wasn't, it would have hurt him, but he could have been a little more focused at times, a little less "loose" in the locker room, and probably a little bit better of a film study/self improvement, particularly with his on-field decision making, but that comes in pre-game prep.

Foles would be an outstanding mentor for Corral and an upgrade over Darnold (Full disclosure, I'm an Arizona alum and would be buying a Foles jersey immediately if he ever signed with us, even if he was just the backup haha)

It's not about if he has a bad year or not, Lawrence just had a bad rookie year himself, but it's about showing enough positives that make you believe if he's worth trying to have as the starter or if you need to draft someone new. He's also not Malik Willis, he's a 4 year player and 3 year starter in the SEC. Yes he needs to learn to play a more NFL style offense, but he should be able to step in and play right away, even if he struggles like most rookies do. I'm not expecting him to come in and be ROY and be a Pro Bowler to be okay with not drafting someone new, but just show me enough good things and improvement throughout the year that it looks worth trying to use our picks to build around him for a year or two and see if it works out.

Entirely different conversation and one we can agree on there. But it doesn't mean I don't want to at least make smart personnel decisions until then, or at least as smart as possible with Rhule still having a significant say in the matter. And to me, there should be 1 clear goal of this upcoming season, and that's to see what we have in Corral, I don't think anything else really matters since I don't see us as a contender this year. Until you figure out your QB spot, you have no shot in this league these days. If we go into next year's draft in position to draft a top QB and don't know what we have in Corral yet, it means we've wasted this year's 4th and next year's 3rd or we're wasting next year's first rounder by not taking a QB when we should have. Neither of those options are appealing to me. But if we play Corral and he doesn't pan out, I don't feel like it's wasted draft picks, at least we took the chance and saw what he was (or wasn't), but if he just doesn't get enough of an opportunity to find out, then it's wasted picks, and we don't have a complete enough roster to be wasting multiple draft picks each year trying to find a QB.

Until we get someone we're comfortable saying "this can be our QB for the next decade" then I'm concerned about where we're drafting every year. You can't win in today's NFL without a good QB, could Corral be that guy? Sure, but until we see it on the field we won't know, and if we have a Top 10 pick before we know, then I want that used on an elite QB if there is one available. Really as simple as that for me, so throw out Corral, we'll either know he can be our guy or we'll be in a position to draft the QB of the future because we'll suck, I see zero upside in playing Darnold, we know he sucks.

Hell... perfect example is Davis Mills last year. He started 11 games and played in 13 for them last year, he didn't do anything crazy and they were still bad enough to have the 3rd overall pick in the draft. But he showed them enough that they felt comfortable using their draft picks to build around him as opposed to needing to replace him. If Tyrod was their starter all year and they ended up with the same record, do you really think they're passing on QB as many times as they did because they had an unknown 3rd rounder in Davis Mills on their squad? ZERO CHANCE They're taking Pickett or Willis and Mills becomes a waste of a 3rd round pick for them. And that is in a weak QB class, whereas next year is supposed to have a really strong top end QB class. We need to know what Corral is before the 2023 draft, and we're not going to learn that seeing him in practice or the final few weeks of the season.

See, that's kinda my point though. Let me ask you this, do you think Darnold is going to lead this team to a good enough season to NOT be picking in the top 10 next year? Because I don't think he is good enough for that personally, maybe the 12/13th pick of the draft at worst if he's starting most games. That being the case, I want to know what Corral has got before that draft and not just spot duty in the final month. There is no long term need for Corral if we're picking in the top 10 next year and don't know anything about him yet, as we're taking a QB in that situation, it would be beyond stupid to pass on a legit Top 10 QB to bank on a 3rd rounder the entire league passed on multiple times panning out for us. That's really all it comes down to for me, I was fine rolling with Darnold this year, until we traded a future Top 75 pick to take a QB in the 3rd round, once that happened it changed everything for me. I now need to see what this kid can be right away, cause if not, we need to take an elite QB in 2023, even if we have to trade future firsts to move up high enough to do so. Because also look at the other side of it... if we start Corral all year and he shows enough that we like his potential to stick with him, but him being a rookie costs us some games and we end up with a top pick, we'll be able to flip that for a massive haul to help build around him.

Seems about right to me, maybe even too high of a grade when you look at the entirety of our 2022 Draft Picks. We left the draft itself with 1 player who will help us win games this year, our 2nd and 4th rounders went for Darnold, and our 3rd rounder went for our nickel CB, not to mention we traded next year's 3rd plus another 4th this year to take someone who literally might be replaced by our first round pick next year. I absolutely LOVE the Ickey pick and give that pick an A++++ grade by itself, but beyond that, particularly when you add in the trades we made with this year's picks, the rest of the draft was probably a D at best.

I don't think anyone hates Darnold the person, we just don't like Darnold the player. He has all the arm talent in the world, probably one of the best pure arms in the league actually. But he's had 4 years to show that he can't process at the speed required in the NFL and consistently makes TERRIBLE decisions. It was the concern about him as a prospect coming out of college to begin with and it's now been 4 years and multiple teams/coaches and it's still an issue. Sure, the bad Jets teams and constant coaching changes haven't helped, but he also hasn't shown an ounce of improvement in his decision making. He's not a franchise QB and I don't think that's still up for debate. He might be a serviceable journeyman starter or a high end backup, but if that's his ceiling, I'm ready to move on, no need for another year of seeing if he's anything more, because he's not.

Which is where Tepper and Fitterer needs to play it the right way behind the scenes. Sit down with Rhule and just be open and honest........ "Matt, we know you're concerned about your job status for next year and you want to win as many games as possible, but we also want to set up this team for long term success as we're realists and know this isn't a SB caliber team yet. So we are going to start Corral from day 1, we need to see what he has in him. But you will not be fired over our Win/Loss record this year. This team has quit on you the last couple years, that is what is unacceptable and what MUST change this year. Get these guys to buy into the team and your program, get them to play hard for you, get them to show that they believe in you, that's how you keep your job next year. Get the team as a whole to improve their play and effort, if we end up losing games because the rookie QB made some mistakes, we'll live with that as it will show us if he can be our franchise QB or not. If not, we'll draft an elite prospect in the first round next year and you'll get your shot to win with them as you'll then have a more complete team around them to be able to compete right away." Yes, I know that's pie in the sky thinking and may not work, but if it doesn't work and we're replacing the HC anyways, there's a solid chance they'd want their own QB then and not be stuck with the 3rd round dart throw from the previous staff.

In short, I realize what I'm suggesting is a drastic play, and I know that it's NOT what is best for this upcoming season. But I think it's a cheat code to help our 2023 draft decisions regardless of who the coach of the team is. I'm already over this season in a sense, yes, I love the Panthers and want us to win, but I'm also a realist and know that we're not going to be a SB contender this year, so I'm okay punting on this season if it is in our best long term interests. And I think the best way to help our long term interests is knowing our QB situation going into the 2023 draft, which I don't think we will know if we play Darnold for most of the year, period.