tukafan21

I'm not calling him or his play calling conservative, I'm calling the hire conservative, it's called a metaphor. At best he feels like the hire to help turn our franchise into a solid squad, not the one that can lead us to being legit SB contenders. I'd rather take more of a risk on someone like Steichen, "bad interview" be damned, than go with Reich who feels like a re-tread with minimal upside.

I'm sorry, but hiring Reich just feels like the equivalent of punting from the 50 yard line with 2 minutes left in OT. Playing for the tie instead of going for the win.

If any of the top 3 QB's fall to us, you take them unless the new coach REALLY doesn't think they will be a starter in the NFL. If not, I'd say take hopefully the top WR in the draft whoever it ends up being (could happen, lot of mocks don't have a WR going before us) and then take Hooker in the 3rd or 4th. If Hooker can be healthy by camp, let him and Corrall battle it out for the starting spot while having a vet on the squad to be the 3rd string and mentor to them. Either one of them looks good enough to try and move forward with as our QB or we then bet the farm in a much better QB class and pay whatever it takes to move up and draft one. I'm not saying tank next year, but I think we have a good enough base group of players that drafting smart this year to fill holes like WR, DE, LB, DB, and then trading away all our future draft picks for a QB next year would set us up for a possible strong run of contending seasons while on that rookie QB deal. The core base of Burns, Brown, Chinn, Horn, Ickey, Moton, BC, Moore, TMJ, is a great grouping and all of them still well shy of their 30's. Don't screw this up by trying to fix all our leaky holes in one year, especially on a rookie QB deal, you want the team put in place before you get that QB if possible and I think we can do that by next season and then overpay to move up.

I can't see Rodgers wanting to go there, even with Adams there. Considering all the talk about how McDaniels is with his players, including his QB, I can't see that being a good fit for Rodgers. Not that the guy can't be coached, but I just can't see how those two would be able to co-exist and not just want to constantly kill each other. Just seems like a bad Coach-QB fit Think Brady would work well with him given their history, but without that history already built like with those two, I can't see how they can go with an established guy like Rodgers, it's gonna have to be a rookie.

If that's the case, if there isn't a hire in the next couple of days, to me that means Steichen will be our next HC. The other 3 can all be hired right now, most "experts" have ranked us as the best destination out there for the HC openings, and Tepper is likely also the owner willing to spend the most money to get his guy. So if he hasn't moved on any of the other 3 in the coming days, to me that means he wants Steichen, and at this point if Steichen wasn't interested in coming here, he'd have withdrew his name by now. Hence, Steichen to the Panthers seems inevitable at this point to me...... assuming this rumor is true of course.

Call me crazy, but I think this is intentional. To me, it sounds like Wilson is more interested in Payton than the Broncos ownership actually is. If that's the case and they don't want to upset their clearly fragile QB with them not hiring his preferred choice, seems like a good way to turn Payton off on the Broncos and get him to turn them down. That way they can still save face with Wilson and say they went after the guy he wanted, but still actually hire whoever they wanted to. Win-Win for ownership there.

I'll be very angry if this happens, but nothing against that guy. It will have everything to do with us not even interviewing 2 of my personal top candidates who are DC's, one being Ryans which I detailed above, but the other being Quinn. If we hire a young DC with no HC experience without even interviewing Quinn, it would very much upset me, particularly with Tepper having said he would like someone with previous HC experience early in the process.

More like Translation: Everyone knows Ryans is going to the Texans It just makes too much sense, they got hit hard in the media for hiring black HC's who they subsequently fired after giving them only one season. On top of all the Watson stuff they had to deal with, looking at a minority hire always made sense for them if there was a good fit as it helps them from a PR standpoint. Add in that he's one of the better players in franchise history and it just seems like it's too obvious of a fit for both sides that it is bound to happen.

Also guess this means regardless of who wins/loses the NFC championship game it would both help and hurt us this offseason. Niners win and it hurts our draft picks a bit but we get to try and move on Steichen faster. Eagles win and it helps our draft picks a bit but we can't hire Steichen faster.

ugh that sucks, hopefully Tepper doesn't get antsy and do something stupid before then. We're easily the best opening out there (could see some arguments for the Broncos, but choosing to go coach in a division with Mahomes and Herbert over the garbage QB's in the South would be awful), Tepper has deep pockets, if he wants Steichen, he should be able to land him, just wait on him. Although I'd still more be okay with Payton if, and ONLY, if it leads to Gronkowski being a Panther, which I actually think could happen if Payton comes here as Brady would seem too logical for all parties at that point. That's actually my first option given my Gronkowski fandom, but since that is too many dominoes and too much time to make me happy after the hiring, I'd rather just get Steichen and be happy from day 1.

Anyone know the rules in regards to a second interview with Steichen this week and/or weeks leading into the SB if they make it? He's really the only realistic candidate left that I actually want (my top 3 was Harbaugh, Ryans, or Quinn with a second level down of Johnson and Steichen), so I'm really hoping we're allowed to do a second with him sooner than later as I get the feeling Tepper isn't going to want to sit around and wait 3 more weeks to make a hire (or at least have an agreement in place that could be announced once the SB is over if they make it).

There is a literal 0% chance that the Texans pass on a QB at 2 because they decided to sign Carr, just won't happen, absolutely not even a remote chance of it happening. No franchise is passing on drafting a top QB prospect to sign 32 year old Derek Carr Just lolz

Yea, if it's 2 firsts, Payton shouldn't even want to take the job, he has to know that's too much to give up for him to do the job successfully. I'm still very strongly against giving a division rival draft picks for a 60 year old coach, but if it leads to my fellow Arizona alum in Gronkowski to being a Panther, then I'll give them as many first rounders as they want, it's always been my dream scenario for Gronk to be a Panther, I'll live with a stupid trade under those circumstances lol.

I'm guessing he can't do that, he didn't take a leave, he retired, it's not like they have to keep paying his contract. They just retain his coaching rights until the contract would have been over, if not, coaches could "retire" any time they wanted just to switch teams, it would be wild. Also pretty sure they have his rights through the 2024 season, so they do have a lot of power in this as they could force him to sit out 2 more years if they wanted, think that eliminates a lot of leverage Payton could have in it all because at his age, 2 years might be around 20% of the rest of his career.

almost all of my friends are Spartans, they struggled with Hutch early in the year, but they've come around since then on him. I might be the only person in the world who still regularly wears an authentic Biakabutuka Panthers jersey for games. When I wear it to the bar here it definitely gets a lot of comments from Michigan fans. My favorite was a few years back when the Panthers were in town I wore it when I went to the game, which in Detroit is always a questionable decision to wear an opposing team's jersey. Game was in the winter so was wearing a coat into the game, as we were getting to our seats a guy in the row behind us saw me in my Panthers gear and immediately started chirping. Then I took my coat off, he saw the name on the back and couldn't stop laughing as I guess he was a Michigan guy. It made the game pretty enjoyable with him from then on, instead of the standard Detroit fans bashing on the away fans, we had some fun back and forth banter.

I think as things stand right now, they make the most sense if SF doesn't decide they want to make a run at him. But if Payton comes here, I think we would make WAY more sense for Brady than the Raiders. Would he rather go into a division with Mahomes, Herbert, and Wilson as it's QB's, with 2 playoff teams from this season including maybe the SB favorite? Or would he rather go to the worst division in the league last year, where the other 3 teams don't have a clear cut starter amongst them for next year and team up with the coach he's been trying to play for the last couple years? Payton/Brady in Carolina makes a lot more sense than him going to Las Vegas.

no, it's in Buffalo, only a KC-Buffalo AFC Championship game would be in Atlanta

Really??? The guy is interviewing for another job the day before their playoff game?? That's very surprising in itself, but it also means 2 things to me... First is that it means Steichen is Tepper's favorite or he's setting up future interviews to try and leverage going another way over Payton/Saints negotiations. As if Payton was the top target, I'd think Tepper would be trying to get it wrapped up ASAP and not drag into the weekend, so setting up a weekend interview would be weird.

The problem here isn't Tepper's willingness to give Payton "anything he wants" as he has the money to do that. It's about what he's willing to give the Saints to get him. I just really hope he understands the differences between the two of them and makes smart decisions in regards to that. My hope would be that he could somehow convince the Saints to take back maybe just 2 mid round picks with one in the future, and then give them like 20-25 million in cash on top. The guy has the money to do it and it wouldn't be giving up good draft picks to a division rival. I doubt the Saints would do that, but it would make me MUCH happier if we went that route as my big issue with Payton is giving high draft picks to a division rival.

Again, a post by someone who has zero idea about the Metro Detroit area. Yea, Detroit proper is a "mega city" but the suburbs couldn't be any further from that. And while it's not the beach with the ocean, that nice part of town that he'd live in, almost assuredly he'd either live on the water or be just down the street from it. There are TONS of lakes in that area about 30-40 minutes north of the city, for example, this was Stafford's home when he was with the Lions, right on the water.

Was my user name not a hint to you there? lol The year before we came into the league, my dad took me to the HOF (I was like 6 or 7) and I thought the Panthers had a cool logo so he bought me a mini helmet, so I kinda followed them that first year a little bit (as much as a kid that age could pre-internet days haha). I was a die hard Michigan football fan at the time and Biakabutuka was my favorite player, so once we drafted him going into that second season, I was hooked, almost 30 years later and all my friends still like to give me crap about liking a team because of their logo and one player lol. But at this point, I like to point out how putting up with this franchise for this long without a single back to back winning season streak, makes all that null and void and I've earned the right to be a die hard fan of "such a random team"

Yea...... so I might have just talked myself into not only now wanting Payton, but being upset if we don't get him, over in the Payton/Brady thread. If it were to lead to Brady coming here and subsequently Gronk being a Panther... I'm in, I don't care about the draft picks anymore and honestly, I couldn't care less how it works out on the field. Gronk on the Panthers has literally been my dream since he declared for the draft, I'm an Arizona alum who was in school when Gronk was.

The more I think about it, if Payton is our next coach, I do think Brady ends up here unless SF makes a run at him. SF's roster is built for Brady to come in and win back to back SB's and retire, CMC, Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, and Shannahan just wouldn't be fair for Brady to get to play with, not to mention they'd likely be able to convince Gronk to come back for a year.............................. And it was literally in this moment, as I was typing this, that I might have just gotten on board with Payton if it means Brady, and thus Gronk being a Panther. Full disclosure, Gronk is my favorite non Panther ever, I'm an Arizona alum and was in school when Gronk was there, so I got to see his college career in person. I think I could live with any thing else that happens if it means we get Gronk. For example... I'm probably the only person who is still happy we had Antoine Cason for a season... I was a freshman the same year he was and some of my favorite Arizona football memories are because of him, namely a pick 6 to seal a major upset win where we rushed the field.

No, just no, no no no no no no no no no no That's 2 starters and a possible 3rd, in no world is any coach worth that when there are other good options out there, particularly ones who are over 20 years younger than him. And none of this is to even mention that it's likely to alienate the majority of our former players who still support us. I can't see guys like Smitty or TD taking too well to this given all the bounty gate stuff, that might seem like a minor thing, but it's not. Those type of guys, particularly those two who are so heavily involved int he media now, they talk to current players around the league all the time, you don't want them bad mouthing the Panthers, won't help us land Free Agents. If we had a SB contending team right now, including the QB, then maybe it's a different discussion, but we don't have that, even if we had a QB, we still have a bunch of holes at the moment, holes that could be filled with those exact draft picks. That second rounder this year, there's our pass rush specialist, that 3rd rounder, there's a nickel corner, and that first next year? that's either ammo for a QB, to draft a QB with the pick, or any number of other immediate starting positions we may need to fill. This is just asinine if we go this route, pretty much the only way I'd be accepting of this is if it came with a guarantee from Tapper that this either works out for us, or he will sell the franchise if it blows up in our face, then I'd be on board with this. And I've been a Tepper supporter until now, I haven't had the anger that most fans have had with him, I've given him the benefit of doubt that he's a new owner who is learning as he goes... but this would be a bad step backwards.

So we're going to give up at least a first round draft pick and probably more for someone who will be the 4th oldest HC in the NFL?!?! It never sat right with me to give up draft assets for a coach, even less so with it being a divisional team getting said draft picks, and just made so much worse that this guy isn't even a long term HC option for us due to his age. Tepper is really screwing the pooch with this one, he's like a kid who is distracted by the shiny object