tukafan21

I just very much remember him taking off his helmet at one point last year while yelling at and then bumping a ref. I just remember it too because it was shocking that he didn't get tossed from the game for it. Sure, could have been a one time thing, but I feel like I also remember there being times last year that he was very demonstrative on the field about not getting the ball thrown his way as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh-qUBh5klg

I think he's a bit of a head case, I remember him having an outburst or two on the field last year as well.

If you can’t breakout and live up to your potential with Mahomes as your QB, you’re likely not as good as your potential might seem to indicate. just sayin

Normal pick values get thrown out the window in a situation like this though, that's the difference. I can't see any scenario where we would allow the Texans to pick the QB first if we're getting a 2nd rounder at most. If that's all we could get, no GM would accept a 2nd rounder to not get first choice of their QB, particularly after everything we gave up. Houston would have to make it worth our while, and short of #12 or next year's first, I don't think they can do that. That's why I don't think it's a realistic situation or else they'd have traded up with the Bears for a MUCH cheaper cost. The Bears could have gotten almost the same trade from us for #2, so they'd have taken a lesser offer from the Texans if they really wanted to move up that spot, and then flipped #2 to us. In fact, the only way I think the Texans would make the move at this point, is if after the next 6 weeks they're convinced there's only 1 franchise QB in the draft. And if they come to that conclusion, I'd be very worried about trading out of the top spot at that point.

I'm still in the camp of taking our top guy on the board, even if it's just by the slimmest of margins, it's QB, you take the best available to you if you have the choice, don't let someone else choose. But if they can deduce with essentially 100% certainty that the Texans would be taking the guy we don't have ranked first, then I'll make the swap, but I'm still making them pay thru the nose. All week I'd been saying my cost there would be #2, #12, and 2024 1st, but if we're very sure our #1 isn't who they'd take (i.e. we want Stroud and they want Young and we KNOW it), then I'd take #2, their 2nd this year, and their 2024 First. But anything short of that and I say it's not worth the risk of them taking our top ranked guy. Then I'm packaging up their 2nd and our 2nd to try and get back into the First if JSN starts to slip and pair him with Stroud.

Draft a WR with literally each of our first 3 picks and just hope one can make it work this year. We have other holes still needed to be filled, but I think that would be the best use of them as we can't go into the season with this WR room right now, would be destroying the QB's chances at success as a rookie from the jump

Wouldn't be against trading for him, but I'd be pretty frustrated if we gave up any decent assets for him instead of going after Hopkins, Sutton, Jeudy, or Elijah Moore.

Stroud is historically small for a QB from a build standpoint just as much as height, that's the difference. It's no guarantee that Stroud would stay healthy of course, but there is a significantly raised risk of Young's body being able to hold up for a long career. The other successful sub 6' QB's were a bit stockier to hold up more, like Wilson and Brees. Defensive players are just getting bigger, one clean Parsons hit on Young and he could get broken in two.

I'd have said yes before we signed Von Bell But that means the plan is to move Chinn back to LB, along with Burns, Shaq, and Luvu we don't have any place for another starting LB like either of them.

Or maybe this is their way of hoping the Texans will try and swap picks with us, by leaking this out there since it's known they like Young

Sign Chark and trade for Elijah Moore (I still don't really want Chark, but just thinking of having WRs on the team next year with the names of DJ and another of Moore, makes me chuckle) Then make Moore take #2 and give Chark #12

I think it's more the 2nd rounder next year when we already traded away our 1st. Not a fan of being down both of those picks, especially since we already traded our 2nd away in 2025 as well. I also think his time in Arizona is up, both sides know it, they don't have much leverage and I can't see a team giving up that much to get him, if someone was willing to give that much up, with the weak FA WR market this year, someone would have already made that trade with them by now.

Fair, and I've been beating the drum on needing a #1 WR for days. But I don't think he's the answer, I'd rather overspend a little bit to go after Hopkins, Sutton, Juedy, etc, than sign Chark. I just don't think he's much, if any, improvement over TMJ right now and if we draft a WR with our 2nd rounder, I think Chark would be our #3 this year. When our WR room is this bad, I don't see the value in signing someone who would possibly be our #3 right now.

I am all for trying to trade for Hopkins, but in no world am I giving them a 2nd and 3rd for him, just no

The guy played in a pass happy offense and only had 500 yards and 3 TDs, I know he missed some games, but that doesn't help make him more attractive, I honestly don't get why everyone wants him so badly if I'm being honest. I've seen people say that he has untapped potential, but 5 years into his career, hasn't been able to stay healthy and tap into that potential yet, so why do we want to trust him as our #1 for a rookie QB?!?!

I think Texans would be more likely and make the Top 2 picks who will both be QB's and likely starters play each other week 1. They did it with Jameis and Mariota Plus they've done two straight years of our opening game being a QB reasoned matchup against an AFC team (Darnold vs Jets and Baker vs Browns), so might as well make it 3 for 3.

There isn't a FA WR that would qualify as a sexy signing. Could that have been about Sanders?

Every owner in every sport has trusted the wrong person/people in charge with their franchise at one time or another, I can't fault an owner who screwed up their first ever hire, particularly given how often NFL coaches get turned over. Well... outside of the Rooney's that is, it's still baffling that they've only had 3 coaches in the last like 60 years, unheard of success rate. But just the fact that he was staying hands off while giving his hires time to see if they could make it work, is why I never turned on him, I thought that in itself was a good trait to see in an owner. You know someone like Snyder would have been in there after year 1 and making all the calls himself, that Tepper didn't was a big testament to how I think he'll be during his ownership of this franchise.

I've said the whole time that people were being too hard on him. Everyone wanted to have an owner that was hands off, hires his football people and let's them do their thing, which is exactly what he did. It sucks that it didn't work out the first few years, but beyond pushing them to be in on trades for Stafford and Watson, he's been a very hands off owner from the football side of things. His mistake was putting that trust in Rhule, you can be mad all you want at giving him one too many years, but that's not enough to make him a bad owner.

I hate seeing Schultz still out there and many teams running out of cap, he better sign a much bigger deal than we gave Hurst or it's going to be disappointing

They're in position to draft one of these 4 QBs, could even move up to #3 probably with minimal expense to make sure they get their pick of the second two. But instead they want to give up the 4th pick, another 1st, and then give a stupid massive contract to Lamar? Honestly if they don't believe in any of the QB's, they'd be better off drafting whichever one they don't want, sitting him all year "so he can learn" and then trade him and multiple firsts to move up next year and take a better prospect and get them on a rookie contract. Basically the same cost but saves them a ton of money and they don't have to take on an injury prone QB who hasn't finished the last 2 seasons healthy. Or just trade the pick this year for something good, draft to fill holes, suck next year, get the #1 pick and land Caleb.

Exactly, I think we'd actually be a VERY attractive landing spot for Hopkins in particular. Right off the bat, he's from South Carolina and went to Clemson. But beyond that, it's well known that the path in the NFL right now is to build a team around a QB on a rookie deal to make a SB run and we're about to draft one #1 overall, aka, the "next big thing" you'd hope. If we trade for Hopkins and then sign him to a 2 year extension to be able to lower his cap number, he can look at being here for 3-4 years, his age 31-34 seasons. He'll know that in year 1 while he's still as close to his peak as possible, that he'll be by far the QB's main target and should be able to put up impressive stats. Smitty had his his 3rd best yardage and TDs numbers in Cam's rookie year. We have a real nice core group of players right now and are about to add the #1 pick, we might be a year or two away still of filling holes, buy ideally should be legit contenders in that 3rd and 4th year. Even if he's lost a step by then, he'll be a great #2 and I don't think he'd take issue to being the #2 WR on a SB contending team while playing close to home.

Here's a thought..... If the Jets sign Odell like Rodgers wants, let's try and go get Elijah Moore from them, he'd be their 4th WR at that point and likely available at that point. And honestly would likely just sign Cobb to be their 4th at that point anyways. Then give him #2 and all those DJ jersey's become wearable again haha