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I can't see any scenario where they'd trade the 1st pick to us for anything less than our first and both seconds this year, plus our next 2 firsts at a minimum, possibly more on top. That's WAY too much to give up for any of these QB's in the draft this year. We have way too many holes that are still needed to be filled and that's 3 starters just from this year's draft we'd be giving up there. If there was more of a sure thing in this year's class it would be different, but there isn't. We fill out those holes this year, maybe take Hooker in the 3rd, and then trade any possible draft pick as necessary next year to move up for a better QB prospect draft.

But hiring Saturday wouldn't be anything that someone could say "they passed over a qualified minority candidate to hire an unqualified Saturday" since you could literally say the same thing about all their white candidates as well. Saturday is just the worst possible candidate from any race of their candidates, so not like this hire would cause any issues for Irsay in that sense.

Is he though? Some sort of sexual harassment allegations wouldn't surprise me, but the guy did hire Tony Dungy who won then a SB and then followed him up with Jim Caldwell who also took them to a SB appearance.

Imagine thinking I was making a serious comment about a team already trying to tank in 2023 and not a fun joke about how bad Saturday was as a coach this year

Intentionally tanking next years team to go for Caleb Williams? honestly can’t think of any other sane reason to be even considering him.

Yea, but they already had their QB on the roster

Stay where we are, if one of the top 3 QB's fall to us you take them. If not, you go WR, DE, CB, LB in some order with those first 4 picks, fill out the roster, then trade as many future first, second, and third round picks as needed to move up next year in a much better/deeper QB class. Get the team in place, then get the QB on the rookie contract. If we make the trade this year, we'll have the QB too early, before the team is fully built out and then we'll still have too many roster holes while we have the cheap rookie QB contract. Unless one of the top 3 QB's falls to us at 9, there's no good way to do both this offseason.

No This team still has too many holes to give up that many picks to move up for a guy that isn't anything close to a sure thing, particularly with how deep next year's QB class is. If one of the top 3 falls to us, or if we can move up a couple of picks without giving up our 2nd's this year or 1st next year, then you do that. But anything else just isn't worth it with this class, next year should have at least 2 if not 3 QB's who would be rated above any QB in this year's draft, and another couple who would all challenge to be top 10 picks this year. I'd so much rather fill our holes this year, then next year trade away multiple 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks as needed to move up for a much better QB prospect.

The biggest problem with the Skip rant was that he said the leaders on the team should basically boycott playing over it. The guy couldn't even be bothered to find out that the team leaders already came together and made a statement of support for the hire, that they loved Wilks, but understood the football reasons of the hire of Reich. That's it, it's over, there should be zero media or fan backlash anywhere once that was put out there. The whole (and really only) argument people were able to make for Wilks was that the team wanted him the most. So if the leaders are then coming out with a "we get why we went with an offensive coach instead" statement so quickly, it never should have been a story.

I'm still of the belief that unless one of the top 3 falls to us, we re-sign Darnold for another year or find another patch for this season and then trade whatever is necessary next year to move up for a QB. Or actually, I'd still draft Hooker in the 4th this year and let him and Corral battle it out next year to see if either has potential to be the guy. Next year's QB class is supposed to be significantly better than this year, if we're going to be trading multiple future first rounders, there isn't a QB in this year's draft that feels safe enough to do that for, there are multiple in next year's draft that it would be worth the risk for.

VERY hard pass Zero interest in Fields, he’s an even worse passer than Lamar and will want a huge contract after next year. I’ve said from the start that the Bears should trade him and start a new clock on a QB contract extension with one with better passing upside, but that’s also why I wouldn’t want us to take him on.

I have no issue with a re-tread, so the whole "didn't win a SB at their first stop" thing doesn't bother me at all. And just because something is rare, doesn't mean it isn't something to strive for. The most successful coaches are with their teams for 10+ years, so why would we not want to shoot for that? It would be like saying, sure, I could make a million dollars this year if I really try for it, but not a lot of people do that, so I'm going to settle for an average salary this year instead. It might get you by for the year, but you're not going to be living your best life. This is the NFL, if you don't compete for SB's, then you're not doing well enough, nobody wants to be an above average team every year, you want to win championships. And I just don't see Reich as the hire to win championships, it's the hire to compete for division titles, hardly something to get excited over.

And all 3 of them have constant rumors about them considering retirement after almost every season. It's also pretty rare for coaches to still be doing it into their 70's as well, not to mention those are 3 coaches who have all won SB's as HC's. Your'e really trying to compare Reich to 3 sure fire HOFers?!?!?! C'mon now

I'm sorry, but that's a REALLY bad plan. Those young assistants that are being groomed to be HC's keep getting hired within 2, maybe 3 years of them getting the OC job. The odds of us being successful enough that we have one of those coaches at the time Reich is ready to step down is pretty low. Plus... we're literally turning down said groomed young OC's to hire the stop gap now... why not just skip the stop gap and go for someone who helped launch Herbert's career when he had questions coming out of college about being ready and helped shut down any questions about Hurts being a legitimate starter in the league as well!?!?! In the last 4 years he has literally taken 2 QB's who were not sure fire NFL starters and helped turn one into an MVP candidate and another who is likely better but had a lot of injuries around them this year and still had a great season. In the end, I just can't get on board with the idea of hiring someone of his age when we're not already in a win now mode. Why are we wanting to hire someone with the idea of then drafting a young QB who we'd hope will play longer than the coach will still be coaching?!?!?

Reich is 61, Steichen is 37... don't tell me Reich was "literally Steichen 5 years ago" when 5 years ago Reich was still almost 20 years older than Steichen is right now. Steichen was an OC when he was 34, Reich wasn't an OC until his mid 50's. So sure, Reich was an OC on a SB winning team, but that still gives Steichen a 20 year head start over him right now, and could get that same SB this year. Literally that's all you need to say for me to not like Reich over Steichen. Why are we hiring someone who has max 10 years left in their career?!?! It's one of my biggest issues with the idea of Payton as well. You hire Steichen and things go well, we don't need to look for a new HC for at least 20 years. I thought Tepper wanted to be more like the Steelers, well the Steelers have only had what, 3 coaches in the last 60 years or something?

I'm not calling him or his play calling conservative, I'm calling the hire conservative, it's called a metaphor. At best he feels like the hire to help turn our franchise into a solid squad, not the one that can lead us to being legit SB contenders. I'd rather take more of a risk on someone like Steichen, "bad interview" be damned, than go with Reich who feels like a re-tread with minimal upside.

I'm sorry, but hiring Reich just feels like the equivalent of punting from the 50 yard line with 2 minutes left in OT. Playing for the tie instead of going for the win.

If any of the top 3 QB's fall to us, you take them unless the new coach REALLY doesn't think they will be a starter in the NFL. If not, I'd say take hopefully the top WR in the draft whoever it ends up being (could happen, lot of mocks don't have a WR going before us) and then take Hooker in the 3rd or 4th. If Hooker can be healthy by camp, let him and Corrall battle it out for the starting spot while having a vet on the squad to be the 3rd string and mentor to them. Either one of them looks good enough to try and move forward with as our QB or we then bet the farm in a much better QB class and pay whatever it takes to move up and draft one. I'm not saying tank next year, but I think we have a good enough base group of players that drafting smart this year to fill holes like WR, DE, LB, DB, and then trading away all our future draft picks for a QB next year would set us up for a possible strong run of contending seasons while on that rookie QB deal. The core base of Burns, Brown, Chinn, Horn, Ickey, Moton, BC, Moore, TMJ, is a great grouping and all of them still well shy of their 30's. Don't screw this up by trying to fix all our leaky holes in one year, especially on a rookie QB deal, you want the team put in place before you get that QB if possible and I think we can do that by next season and then overpay to move up.

I can't see Rodgers wanting to go there, even with Adams there. Considering all the talk about how McDaniels is with his players, including his QB, I can't see that being a good fit for Rodgers. Not that the guy can't be coached, but I just can't see how those two would be able to co-exist and not just want to constantly kill each other. Just seems like a bad Coach-QB fit Think Brady would work well with him given their history, but without that history already built like with those two, I can't see how they can go with an established guy like Rodgers, it's gonna have to be a rookie.

If that's the case, if there isn't a hire in the next couple of days, to me that means Steichen will be our next HC. The other 3 can all be hired right now, most "experts" have ranked us as the best destination out there for the HC openings, and Tepper is likely also the owner willing to spend the most money to get his guy. So if he hasn't moved on any of the other 3 in the coming days, to me that means he wants Steichen, and at this point if Steichen wasn't interested in coming here, he'd have withdrew his name by now. Hence, Steichen to the Panthers seems inevitable at this point to me...... assuming this rumor is true of course.

Call me crazy, but I think this is intentional. To me, it sounds like Wilson is more interested in Payton than the Broncos ownership actually is. If that's the case and they don't want to upset their clearly fragile QB with them not hiring his preferred choice, seems like a good way to turn Payton off on the Broncos and get him to turn them down. That way they can still save face with Wilson and say they went after the guy he wanted, but still actually hire whoever they wanted to. Win-Win for ownership there.

I'll be very angry if this happens, but nothing against that guy. It will have everything to do with us not even interviewing 2 of my personal top candidates who are DC's, one being Ryans which I detailed above, but the other being Quinn. If we hire a young DC with no HC experience without even interviewing Quinn, it would very much upset me, particularly with Tepper having said he would like someone with previous HC experience early in the process.

More like Translation: Everyone knows Ryans is going to the Texans It just makes too much sense, they got hit hard in the media for hiring black HC's who they subsequently fired after giving them only one season. On top of all the Watson stuff they had to deal with, looking at a minority hire always made sense for them if there was a good fit as it helps them from a PR standpoint. Add in that he's one of the better players in franchise history and it just seems like it's too obvious of a fit for both sides that it is bound to happen.

Also guess this means regardless of who wins/loses the NFC championship game it would both help and hurt us this offseason. Niners win and it hurts our draft picks a bit but we get to try and move on Steichen faster. Eagles win and it helps our draft picks a bit but we can't hire Steichen faster.

ugh that sucks, hopefully Tepper doesn't get antsy and do something stupid before then. We're easily the best opening out there (could see some arguments for the Broncos, but choosing to go coach in a division with Mahomes and Herbert over the garbage QB's in the South would be awful), Tepper has deep pockets, if he wants Steichen, he should be able to land him, just wait on him. Although I'd still more be okay with Payton if, and ONLY, if it leads to Gronkowski being a Panther, which I actually think could happen if Payton comes here as Brady would seem too logical for all parties at that point. That's actually my first option given my Gronkowski fandom, but since that is too many dominoes and too much time to make me happy after the hiring, I'd rather just get Steichen and be happy from day 1.