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On a CMC note, is he a HOF lock by the end of next season already? Was just looking at it, he has 76 career TD's already, seems pretty safe to say he'll get to 90 by the end of next season, likely passing it by a fair amount (assuming health of course). There's only 5 players with 90 or more career TDs and aren't either in the HOF already, or just aren't eligible but are for sure shoe-in's when the time comes. Shaun Alexander, Ricky Watters, Priest Holmes, Marshawn Lynch, and Lynch probably has a fair shot at getting in. CMC is better than any of those players, so I have to think there is a chance he already has his HOF jacket wrapped up by the end of next season, hell, he could get to 100 by then with the way he's racking up scores in SF at more than a 1 per game rate.

None of the 3 big moves in the last 2 years are hindsight is 20/20 The CMC trade, the #1 pick trade, the Bryce selection were all things that 90% of the casual fans could look at and immediately say it was a horrible decision. It's baffling that we did all 3 of those things in a year and a half span to completely tank this franchise's future.

He was never perpetually banged up, 2 years in a row of getting hurt for a few weeks and then being shelved because you're a star player on a team already eliminated from the playoffs doesn't equate to being "perpetually banged up" Again, the first year injury was a player falling on his ankle while trying to tackle him as he dragged the guy into the end zone and he got a high ankle from it. I don't remember the injury the second year off the top of my head, but even if it was a non contact muscle pull, that would make it one time in his career, not an ongoing thing like it is with Horn or other actually injury prone players. He's played in every game of the season in 5 of his 7 seasons in the league, but sure, he's perpetually banged up

Exactly, I was always against trading CMC because his injuries were just bad luck things (like when the guy rolled up on his ankle as he was going into the end zone and gave him the high ankle sprain) and not a bunch of non contact injuries that pile up year after year (like Horn). Plus, he 100% could have and would have played at the end of both seasons if we were in even the slightest contention, so he missed more games than necessary because there was no point in throwing him back out there to risk injury or hurting draft position in a lost season. But even if we were to trade him, we get a TERRIBLE package in return. I understand how the chart works and how all the picks added up to a first round value, but that's basically like saying you're good taking 100 $1 items and hoping you can sell every single one for the dollar and make the same $100 that you could have gotten in return from 1 item. Trading CMC for anything less than a first, let alone a late 2nd rounder being the best pick in the trade, was beyond atrocious

Even as bad as everything else is around him, he just can't make simple NFL level throws. And I don't even mean the wow plays that elite QB's make, I just mean simple throws such as from one hash to the far sideline on a rope to get there before the defender can break it up. I don't care how much you improve the rest, when the kid just doesn't have the arm to make throws that 95% of back-ups in the league have the arm to make, he's never going to succeed at a high level, no matter how much is fixed around him. Also what made him successful in college as his ability to feel the rush and step around it to make plays on the move. The problem is he's not quick or fast enough to avoid NFL level pass rushers, and all they have to do is get one hand on him and he's then not strong enough to break free. Everyone kept talking about how he was able to do it in the SEC, so he could do it in the NFL. But I remember making a thread a while back about that, even in the SEC, outside of a couple teams, most teams have at most 1 or 2 NFL level defenders, so he never regularly had to avoid NFL quality pass rushers.

Fair, but even in a functionally created offense, Bryce on this year's Bears minus Moore would still be awful. Even if they were to get a different WR in a hypothetical trade of Fields, they're still 3-8 with Fields and that other guy they started, both WAY better than Bryce, they'd be getting the #1 pick all on their own if they had Bryce this year. Getting drafted by a team who traded away the draft pick they would have used to replace him, extended his career as a starter to a second season instead of him being a 1 and done as a starter.

Bryce is so lucky the Bears decided to make that trade instead of trading Fields instead. If they traded Fields and took Bryce, him combined with how bad they are would have ended up with the Bears likely getting the #1 pick next year anyways. If that happened, they'd Josh Rosen him and draft his replacement, while he gets shipped out for a 4th round pick to only bounce around a few team's practice squads before being out of the league entirely.

I don't feel bad for him in the slightest, if anything, I think he knew this was coming and his time in the NFL wouldn't be for long and I applaud him for playing the game correctly. He wasn't the guaranteed #1 pick going into the combine, him not throwing was because he knew throwing back to back with the other prospects would expose his significant throwing limitations, in particular, the lack of velocity on his throws. He gamed the system into being the #1 pick even though he never should have been even in contention for it. If anything, he's lucky that he got put into such a bad situation because the team has no other option than keep playing him and it gives him a chance to try and figure something out and make a career for himself. Had he been judged for his physical abilities instead of his mythical super brain, he'd have fallen in the draft, likely got taken by a better team, then failed and quickly benched because they would have a chance at actually winning games with another QB in the game. He'd have been in a Trey Lance situation, someone who's career may never end up taking off the ground, instead he's at least going to get a chance to play his way out of it and into at least a career backup role after we cut bait in a year or two.

The problem is you can only coach up a QB so much, if you don't have the talent, you're not going to succeed. I think the footwork is more on Bryce just not being able to play at the speed of the NFL game, if you can't keep up with the speed at this level as a QB, your footwork is going to be terrible because you're always a step or two behind where you should be anyways. I'm not absolving McCown, I just think it's hard to judge his coaching job based on how far below average Bryce is in every single physical trait needed for the position.

Dream is Ben Johnson, but he's going to be the #1 candidate on every team's board this offseason, he's literally going to have his pick of jobs that he wants. No way he decides to hitch his wagon to Bryce and this roster for a few extra million a year from Tepper, not when he's looking at a potential 30 year HC career in which he'll make WAY more money than he will by being overpaid by Tepper to be here for a few years, get fired, and ruin his HC future. Reality is it's likely to end up being Eric Bienemy, who is pretty much the last person I'd be okay with. He's interviewed for dozens of openings, never gets an offer because everyone knows his players hate him and nobody likes playing for him. That's fine when you're an OC with a strong HC that the players will run through a brick wall for, it doesn't work when you're the HC (unless you have decades of history like Belichek), he'd just be the new Josh McDaniels and get fired because the team doesn't play hard for him. We're not getting an up and comer, they're not risking their HC chances on this roster, which is why it will be someone like Bienemy, someone who's badly wanted to be a HC for years but can't actually get an offer to be one, he has to take what he can get, and this is it. But for the love of god, please don't let it happen. We set this franchise back 3-5 years by making the trade for Bryce. Firing Reich at this point just set us back another 1-2 years further (would have been better off firing him a month into next season). Hiring Bienemy will only add another year or two onto that total. We can't start to move forward until we stop moving backwards.

My guess is Deuce was fired for one of 2 reasons... 1. Tepper did because he felt he had to in order to name anyone else the interim since Deuce was the Asst HC. 2. Deuce threw a fit about not being named interim since he was brought in as the Asst HC and then Tepper fired him over that (and I wouldn't blame Deuce for doing if that was the case). McCown is the interesting one considering how well regarded he was around the league as a potential fast track OC candidate. Best guess is he never wanted Bryce and was never quiet about it inside the building, so this was just a natural parting point with him. My only issue with getting rid of Bryce's QB coach is that it's only going to further hinder his development, which I don't put on the coaches so far, but on his lack of any even above average physical traits.

Trade back into the first with what?!?! More future firsts?!?!?! It clearly didn't work doing that when we traded up for the #1 pick, which is then costing us another #1 overall pick because of it. But sure, let's go ahead and give up another Top 5 pick next year and potentially more to move into the back end of the 1st round to take the 5th best QB prospect in this class and have even less draft picks to help build a team around them. That makes sense

LOL at anyone thinking we've hit rock bottom yet. No good coach is going to want to tie themselves to Bryce, I'd put it already at 50/50 shot that we are looking for a new coach again next offseason and a 90% chance that Tepper is just too afraid to fire someone 3 years in a row and then does it mid-season in 2025 (like he should have done with Reich next season). We already know Bryce isn't our future QB and are stuck with him for at least 1 more season as the starter, potentially 2. We're in for a very messy Burns situation this summer, there is no way he's signing here long term and he's not playing on the tag for us (I'd try to find a way to trade him for Aiyuk since the 49ers aren't going to be able to sign him long term, maybe the 49ers can convince him to take a chance on himself to play the season on the tag for them to make a SB run since they probably can't sign him long term either). Outside of an unknown cap casualty, there are no elite WRs in this years FA class (I don't count Higgins since he's going to get tagged and traded, not hit the open market) and we obviously don't have a first round pick to take an elite one that way either. We're still falling down the well and haven't reached the bottom yet, my hope is that it happens late next season, leading to us getting the #1 pick in 2025 to be able to replace Bryce with a real elite prospect at QB instead of someone with the arm strength of the average 4 star HS recruit.

No poo a lot of people would take one of the 32 HC jobs in the entire world. But that doesn’t mean anyone we should actually want as our next HC will be interested. Most coaches only get 1 shot at a HC job, the good ones aren’t going to risk that on Bryce and the state of this roster/franchise.

Johnson is going to end up getting the Chargers job, he’s 37 and has a long HC career ahead of him, no amount of money Tepper can offer him is going to get him to risk that career on Bryce

Stupid mistake, no up and coming candidate is going to risk their potentially one chance at a HC opportunity on Bruce and this roster Our only options will be coaches nobody else wants to hire as a HC, anyone with legit future HC chances will turn it down and wait, because they know most HC’s only get one shot at it. Just set this franchise back a few more years with this decision, so so dumb

Same, my only problem was that at least I had my fantasy season to care about, so it was easier to just be numb towards the Panthers and not care. But I got eliminated from the playoff race today thanks in large part to Thielen's worst game of the season, so it might just make me frustrated with the Panthers again in the coming weeks.

Don't think coaches have buyouts unless it's to leave for another job, which is generally a college thing. NFL coaches who get fired get their full contract paid out I believe, and most college ones do unless the school is able to find ways around it, which they sometimes do.

I blame whoever made the final call on Bryce If Tepper forced it and Reich tried to push back as much as possible and couldn't get him to budge, then I blame Tepper. If Tepper tried to force it and Reich really could have shut it down by saying he didn't believe in Young's abilities, but didn't, then I blame Reich. It was clear as day that he didn't have the physical traits necessary to make it in this league, no matter how amazing his brain was. It's also now clear that he has an amazing brain in the film room, like Luke did, but it doesn't translate to the field at the speed of the NFL game, at least not near enough to make up for his lack of physical traits. So whoever had the power to not draft Bryce but didn't use that power, that is who is to blame. Problem is we'll never know unless someone involved throws that person under the bus publicly down the line.

You’re not hitching your wagon to anything, this is already a disaster and nothing he could do would make him look bad for any future jobs, HC or otherwise. But if he has any success, it would be a big feather in his cap for a next job. Regardless, it will still be Deuce as interim if Reich gets fired

Not unless they also fire Deuce Staley You don't fire your HC and then promote a coordinator to interim when you have an AHC. And if they were to promote a coordinator, it would be the OC since Deuce could then take over OC duties, promoting the DC just causes more problems.

More like back to square zero or even negative one Reich aint it, but neither will whoever is willing to take the job while being willing to tie their HC career to Bryce. Firing Reich may be one step forward, but we're taking 5 steps back once we make a new hire, just wait until after next season for a new coach, it's by far the lesser of two evils.

My Sundays are now officially a bust as I'm getting knocked out of the playoff hunt in fantasy today, and the Panthers are going to be part of the reason why, went up against Hubbard while getting a dud from Thielen, reverse them and I'm still alive (although not having the balls to play Kyren Williams in his first game back really might be what beats me, as playing him over anyone I was considering might have been enough to get the win). Thank god my two other teams are both in title hunts right now to make up for this awful season and give me something to enjoy this winter. My Arizona Wildcats are a legit National Championship contender this season (and I'm sure there are some Duke fans here who know how accurate that is, LOL), while I've also become a massive Wrexham fan over the past year or so and they're in 2nd place right now as well.

Don't disagree with any of that, and I'm not in the slightest trying to support Reich or say anything of the sort. It has NOTHING to do with Reich and has EVERYTHING to do with what it would do to the future of this franchise. Reich is A problem, but he isn't THE problem, and firing him only creates more problems than it solves, problems that will further hinder trying to fix this franchise. It's why I'm openly and already saying that we should bring him back but fire him a month into the season when we suck again. Looking for a new HC is a bad, bad, bad idea this offseason, it should be done after next year (and not both).

Yep, I'd also bet that any coach who would take the job would do so under 1 condition only, if they want to bench Bryce for Dalton (or a new backup that is signed) then they are allowed to do so. I could very well see a scenario where that happens and it ends up improving us to being good enough to end up with like the 5-7 pick in the draft and screwing ourselves out of finding a long term replacement for Bryce in the 2025 draft. It sucks, but we have to embrace the suck and play for a losing season next year, it really is the best and fastest way at turning this franchise's long term hopes around, and it angers me so much when fans can't see the forest through the trees to be able to understand that.