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He messed it up by not taking the big 3 year extension they offered him before last season. It would have made him one of the highest paid players in the league and he'd already be looking at another extension after this upcoming season. He also could have had it put into that deal that he couldn't be franchised tagged, so he'd be just 1 more year away from being a true free agent and could do whatever he wanted at that point.

We already have Brown and signed a 3-4 DT in free agency, I can't envision a scenario where we take a DT in the 2nd this year

I’d take less of an instant impact in year 1 to get a potential #1 WR to pair as rookies with the QB and have them grow together. We don’t have a first next year and it’s easier to find a top pass rusher in free agency than a top WR, if Flowers is there you gotta take him and make DE priority one next year with all that cap room.

Yup I was very against trading up to #1 this year because I didn't think either was a can't miss prospect (let's be real, if one was, the Bears are trading Fields and not the pick) and thought we'd have to give up too much to get it (which we did). But that ship has sailed and now we're here, which is why I'm going with Stroud because I think he has a higher floor due to Young's size and increased risk of injury. If we landed on the top pick originally, and kept all the other picks and DJ, then I'd be more open to taking Young and that risk, but not after what we gave up. Worst case scenario, Stroud is a serviceable middle of the road QB. Worse case scenario, Young can't stay healthy and doesn't even get the 5th year option picked up because of it.

I'd say it's the other way around. The staff is either comfortable enough with his size (not height, but overall frame) or they're not. Stroud has until the draft to convince them he's good enough to not take the risk on Young's size. I don't think there is anything more Young can do to convince them as the choice of taking or passing on him will always come down to risk willingness. As many including myself have said, Young's size is a deciding factor in the end because of how close they are as prospects aside from their size and that if the gap between them was larger, then you take the chance on Young's size. So it's more about Stroud proving he really is at least equal to Young as a prospect to make taking him the right choice, which I think it is.

Need more of a power rusher to combine with opposite of that in Burns. Can flip them around at times and make the OT's have to deal with speed on one play and power on the next.

Totally forgot that these were in a different folder of images, absolutely should have been in my initial post of favorite cards. The first few years of this Game of Inches set I put the base version together (then after a few years it got cost prohibitive and I stopped, not even sure if they still make it). But would also pick up some of the 1/1 versions if I could too, have a Devonta Freeman, Donte Moncrief, and Tevin Coleman 1/1's, but then I also was able to snag the 1/1 versions of these guys, not sure if you've heard of them or not.................

WR and if there isn’t going to be one there, trade up to get one, can’t draft a QB at #1 and not get him a young potential #1 WR Just saw a breakdown of next years FA’s and I don’t think they even listed a WR in the article that named like 50 FA’s next year.

haha yea the two of us did not like each other very much But I don't think it was due to us having any issue with the other person as much as we both kept screwing each other over and creating a false Stewart market and drove up prices on each of us like crazy.

Ahhh, I remember that Luke PC Not sure the other part was about me though as nothing there rings a bell to me. Maybe I've just forgotten though lol But now that I think about it, I do feel like I remember the Biakabutuka's didn't come to me in a normal way, that someone put me in contact with the guy. So maybe you did that, but don't think it was because I had beef with someone on eBay, but who knows.

Only gonna add in a select handful of favorites to not overload the thread lol Biakabutuka Flair Showcase Masterpiece 1/1... basically the holy grail of PC cards for me regardless of value, don't even remember how or where I stumbled across a guy with a bunch of Biakabutuka 1/1's years back. Was able to get this one and a couple of others off of him in a deal. Gotta include the Biakabutuka Green PMG /15 here too since PMGs are all the rave these days, also have the Red /150 as well of course These 2011 Crown Silhouettes are still maybe my favorite set ever made, hit this one myself, and then actually hit a second one later as well. Hit a few good Cam rookie autos myself, that was the year I had just got back into collecting too, including a really nice Gold Standard Patch/Auto The auto'd Stewart was /5 and I have 3 of the 5 of them, easily one of my favorite cards in my whole PC Have I think close to 40 Stew 1/1's so will only put one in here and I always LOVED the prizm finites so will go with this one (also have the non auto and the orange pylon parallel 1/1's from that year). Have a few good rookie 1/1's too, including the Exquisite auto and Limited Shield/Auto Gotta have a TD Rookie 1/1 in here, right? Can't put a TD 1/1 in here without putting his partner in crime as well, this is a Chrome Mini Superfractor 1/1 People are gonna poopoo on me for including a Funchess 1/1 here, but this one holds special meaning. He went to my rival high school (albeit years after me) and is by far the best player to come out of my hometown in any sport, and then got drafted by my team. So pretty cool for me to pickup the Michigan Flag 1/1 auto of his, closest thing I'll ever get to a hometown card of his. I also got to meet him after his rookie year and got a picture with him, then got it signed a year or two later and inscribed about being from our hometown to Carolina. A couple Quad team autos And of course can't finish this post off without a 1/1 from the GOAT.......

Wow that's a nice Burns PC right there I haven't bought any Panthers cards in years, shifted from collecting sports cards to Star Wars cards maybe 4 or 5 years ago and then have since shifted to Marvel cards now, mostly Sketches. Let me go pull down some pictures of a few of my favorite Panther cards though and I'll post them here. I have the best Lotulelei collection in the world, have every non 1/1 made of his and then almost all the non plate 1/1's as well, including the two best, the Chrome and NT RC 1/1's. My J-Stew collection is pretty nasty too, at one point it might have been the best Stew PC around, but been out of the game so long, who knows now lol.

Sure as hell not coffee with mayo in it

The problem with your worst case scenario is that it then severely hampers our rookie QB's ability to develop in year 1 if his best WRs are Thielen and TMJ. That's really why I'm not a fan of this move, too much of an injury history to trust him and we don't have a good enough WR room to withstand him missing half the season. I wasn't looking at the WR moves this year in terms of them, but in terms of what they can/can't do for a rookie QB. I absolutely LOVE the Thielen signing as I think he's the perfect safety valve for a rookie with his game, but I just struggle to see how this one helps us too much, especially if he can't stay on the field. Absolutely need to still draft a WR in the 2nd, this signing doesn't change that in the slightest for me.

So you want him to eventually get to where guys like Brees and Wilson were at when they were rookies, and you think that's going to be big enough for him to hold up physically for a 12-15 year career?!?!?! NO CHANCE And that's my point, his frame is so small, he doesn't have wide shoulders or hips to where he could easily add enough weight that he just fills out his frame, like those other guys did. He has a slim frame, you can only add so much "good weight" to a frame like that, and I don't think it will be enough for the long term. I don't want to draft a QB for the next 5 years, I want to draft one for the next 15 years.

Not a big fan of the signing myself, mainly because he can't stay healthy and it still doesn't give us a #1 WR for the rookie, would have preferred to overpay in a trade for Hopkins, Sutton, or Jeudy to be honest. Also not thrilled at it being just 1 year unless it's super cheap at say like $3 million for the year, have a feeling it's going to be in the 6-7 range. Would have rather done it for 2 with whatever we gave him being the guaranteed money so the cap hit could be split up. But really, I just don't like the idea of giving the rookie a bunch of 2's and 3's at best as his WR room and I think this signing eliminates us from trying to trade for any of those #1's out there. 100% still need to use the 2nd rounder on a WR though, someone who could have breakout potential and to grow alongside the rookie QB for years to come.

Might be hard to tell under all that baggy clothing, but he came in at 6' and 213 lbs at the combine, which likely was his playing weight at the time and I think we all agree, Young isn't playing at his combine weight and is 2" shorter on top of the 9 lbs difference there and likely 20ish lbs actual difference. That's why I go back to the frame, he's just small and I don't like banking our future on him being one of the 4 or 5 successful sub 6 foot QB's in NFL history, when he's both the shortest and also the smallest framed/weighted of all of them as well. Essentially if Young kept getting a little thicker over the years like they did, he might reach the weight those guys were at coming into the league, that's not insignificant.

Okay, fair But that's also why Stroud is the guy in my mind. The argument against Young has never been about his skill or ability, I'll be the first to admit that if he can stay healthy for a dozen years, he very well could be a HOFer. I just don't think that seems likely to me with how he is built. The biggest argument against Stroud is that we just haven't seen him without elite WRs, but he has rave reviews in all other aspects of his game. In that scenario, I'm going with the guy that I don't see many/any flaws with outside of not having played with non-elite WRs in college over the guy I have serious durability concerns with. Also, I've said many times that what we gave up to move to #1 plays into that thinking for me. Which I 100% think should factor in for the team as well, you gave up a boatload of assets to get here, with two guys who both rank so closely together like this, I'm going with the one without the bigger red flag of the two.

At 5'10" it makes a hell of a lot more difference than when you're 6'4" if you're built well or if you have a thin frame. Significant difference Plus, that "dad bod" is also one of the best ever in terms of keeping his body in top shape. It's not about how you look, it's about if you have the build to withstand the hits at the NFL level, and not on a game to game or even season to season basis, but for the length of a career you want your #1 pick to have.

So was Peyton Manning only who he was because he had Harrison and Wayne? I hate when people make the argument that WRs make the QB. What about Montana without Rice?

And without Stroud, maybe some of those WRs from the last few years wouldn't have had a chance to shine and breakout, it can play both ways. Sure didn't hurt Burrow in the NFL having played with Jefferson and Chase in college.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see how you can compare these two size wise, Russ is much more built to last in the NFL than Young is, by miles. Wilson at the Combine Bryce Young at his Pro Day

So if Young is on a different level compared to Stroud mentally. What would you consider Stroud's level compared to Young's in size? Stroud is great mentally but you say Young is on a different level. Young is the furthest thing from having great size, Stroud's comparison there would be like comparing Brady's career to Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell's

You're stuck on "weight" and "frame" being the same thing, they're not Adding weight doesn't give you a stockier frame, it just makes you heavier. Two different things, and Young has a VERY small frame. Kyler is almost the same size as Young, but just look at them, one is thick, one isn't. That's the difference in Frame vs the difference in Weight.

Mahomes isn't as good at reading the defense as say a Drew Brees is, but I'd rather have Mahomes as my QB. You're talking about Stroud as if he's Levis, someone who has questionable decision making in college, but he's not, he's Elite in that area, Stroud is just Elite +1 in the same area.