tukafan21

That may or may not be the case, but it's not what you said. You said he's going to the highest bidder because that's what football players do, which is true sometimes, but seeing as he's explicitly said that's not what he was looking for with his next team/contract, it's just a dumb thing to say in such a matter of factly way.

Dude, just no, on multiple fronts. This isn't a RB who only has one chance to land a big contract, the guy has already made $110 million in his career with minimal team success. He's not going to just take the highest contract offer, he literally said going into this offseason that he wasn't looking for max money, but he wanted to go somewhere that is a contending team and he'd be willing to take a pay cut to make it happen. Beyond that, we only have the 2nd most cap space in the league right now in name only, we also need to save more cap room than almost any team in the league for the rookies. I'm not saying we can't or won't sign him, but it won't be because we have the 2nd most cap room and thus offer him the biggest contract offer of any team.

I've heard that, but I'm guessing we'd be the one place he'd be willing to do it. Think that was more his way of trying to get sent to a contender, but if that wasn't going to happen, I think we'd have been a legit option for him. It wouldn't be with any random rookie, it would be the #1 overall pick and would basically be him coming back home, as well as being the clear #1 option in the passing game.

That would probably hurt our chances of getting him as he'd likely go to either the highest bidder or a team ready to contend this year, neither of which would likely be us. Had a much better chance at trading for him

There are very few people who will actually be involved in making this final decision. A handful of coaches and executives, and I don't think any of them are dumb enough to go around telling people who we like more than others. Anything you read between now and draft night has been put out by the team for one reason or another, or is pure speculation based on murmurs lower level people have heard in passing conversations, or flat out lies made up by the reporter for clicks. Even if this is true, it would be pure luck by King to report it, particularly as it's not really much of a statement, I'm sure there are people in both the Panthers and Texans organizations that like each of the top 2 QB's better than the other. Shocker

I think it's easier to get someone to feel more comfortable with pressure and taking hits than it is to get someone to avoid contact. Guys like Cam were impossible to get that thru their heads because they're just not wired that way, no matter how often you beat it into them, when push comes to shove, they're going to deliver or take the hit, like Josh Allen has a tendency to do. If Stroud was blatantly afraid of contact it would be one thing, but a few instances here or there, that's not as much of a concern, especially as he grows older and gets more comfortable in the NFL.

lol no He wouldn't be an improvement over TMJ or Chark on the outside and Thielen is locked into being our main Slot. Beyond that I don't know if he's even any better than Laviska, and would rather give Shi any snaps that Wilson would get and then see if he can turn into anything. Having said all that, I don't like where we're at with what WRs we're giving to a rookie and really want us to do whatever it takes to trade for Hopkins, Sutton, or Jeudy, or do what it takes to move into the back end of the first round again to take a better WR prospect than will fall to us in the 2nd round.

Wishing AR had more years of successful experience is basically like wishing Young was 6’4”, if they were the case, we wouldn’t be sitting at #1 because the Bears would have kept it and traded Fields. I think the combo of Stroud and You g are as good of prospects as you’re ever going to find in a year you could trade for the #1 pick, any better and the team with it is taking them and trading their current QB

We need a little over $12 million for our draft picks based on the picks we have right now. So have about $15 million in actual cap space at the moment, although technically we could eat into that amount we need to save for the rookies before they actually sign the deals and then get a Burns extension done to get the room back.

In 2015 I was still saying he should be fired when we were 10-0, 11-0, 12-0, etc. It felt like we kept winning in spite of him, not because of him and felt like it was going to catch up with us, which it did in the SB when he couldn't adjust game plans mid game like a SB winning coach needs to do. He's an amazing person and probably one of the better Monday to Saturday coaches there is, his players love him and will run through a wall for him. But he's just one of the worst game day coaches I've ever seen, terrible at time/game management, time out usage, challenge usage, player usage, everything. He built a reputation on the Riverboat Ron stuff, when they were clear and obvious decisions that any coach in the same situation would have been making, if it weren't for those 3 or 4 plays, he currently a HC in this league. If he wants to continue coaching after this season when he gets fired, he'll make for an outstanding DC somewhere, but he shouldn't be the man in charge.

Which is why AR isn't the pick at #1, because he's nowhere near ready to start in the NFL right now. Your lack of understanding the NFL in some of these posts over the last week or so has been something else.

And my point still stands that Dalton has openly said he's here to backup and support the rookie QB. That alone says the plan is already to start the rookie week 1, which in itself says AR isn't a realistic option, as he's not starting for anyone in week 1 unless the planned starter gets hurt in camp. Not hard to figure out.

Well that's just not true, Drew Brees didn't have a special playbook because he was short, that's just nonsense. Dalton was brought in because he's what Derek Anderson was to Cam, the seasoned vet who can step in and play if needed, but really there to help the rookie off the field in how to go about being a QB, in the film room, reading defenses, etc. The signing of Dalton to me was the clear signal that AR wasn't under serious consideration and that we wouldn't be trading back to #3 like some people here wanted. Especially when he then said that he knew what his role was, that he was here to backup and support the rookie, he knows the rookie is starting week 1 and that's not going to be AR for anyone (outside of injury to the starter).

Dalton signed with the Bears expecting to be the starter as they didn't have a high pick, they then traded up for Fields and still started Dalton the first few weeks until he got hurt. Dalton has also said he knows he's here to be a backup and mentor, he knows he's not starting week 1. Jimmy G wasn't brought in to be Lance's mentor, they drafted Lance with the intention of letting Jimmy play out that first year and let Lance learn to take over in year 2, which they did until he got hurt. Cam was always going to be the starter from day 1 and was MILES ahead of AR in his readiness, so the backup needed to be a seasoned vet who would be ready to step in if Cam got hurt, and help him behind the scenes, not on the field as much. If the plan was AR, you sign one of the better QBs and more mobile than Dalton, like a Brissett, Two Gloves or even Heinicke, because you'd be starting them probably this whole season but can still run the style offense that you're likely going to try and build around AR. Having AR spend his rookie year learning and practicing an offense built for Andy Dalton would be a waste of a season, you want him learning the system he'll play with from day 1.

It's really not that hard AR isn't starting as a rookie week 1 for anyone, Dalton signed here knowing he was coming in as the backup and mentor to the draft pick. Dalton also isn't a mobile QB, if we had any interest in actually drafting AR we would have signed someone else, signing Dalton was the clearest sign that it's either Stroud or Young possible.

This just wouldn't make sense unless he just wants to go work for the team. There is just no way he has anywhere close to enough money to get even 1% of the team (would need $60 million at the rumored $6B price tag), and if he was part of the ownership group, he just wouldn't be able to continue with his analyst job as he wouldn't be allowed to comment on other teams players at all. Not even sure he'd be able to go and do college football analysis either as he'd likely be prevented from speaking about those players as well.

They already voted on that and it didn't pass

I think signing Von Bell actually would allow us to carry 3 QBs a little easier. By getting him, Chinn becomes more of a utility player than someone locked into one position. We could go into the season with 1 less player than normal at a few positions, Safety, LB, or even CB, and still be just fine because he is likely to play a bit of all 3 positions this year. By carrying 1 less player at one of those positions due to his versatility and not needing to be dedicated to one position like last year, it lets us keep 3 QB's on the roster with less strain on the rest of the overall roster.

Who? The roster on the team's site doesn't show numbers for any of them, figured that would be the most accurate place for that information.

His size doesn't disqualify him, it's just one part of the equation, if he was a once in a generation prospect, he'd be the pick without question and Chicago wouldn't have even traded it. If it was him vs AR or Levis, then yea, you take Young. But Stroud is looked at by almost everyone as an equally graded prospect in his own right, when that is the other option, the size factor becomes much more relevant. And naming other small players who have been successful really doesn't mean jack poo, they're the massive exceptions, not the norm. And we're talking about what would be the smallest successful QB of all time if he works out, he's be the exception of the exceptions if he can hold up and last a full career. It also means even less to name players of other positions, QB is an entirely different beast, you literally couldn't have a Barry Sanders or Darren Sproles sized QB in the NFL, just would not work. As I've said before, if we were the worst team in the league and already had the pick, I'd be more open to taking him (spoiler alert, I'm still taking Stroud then too), but after everything we gave up to get here, it's too big of a risk to take.

I was planning on buying a new authentic jersey this year of the new QB, but honestly, if Horn takes 0, that would be a hard one not to get as it would be pretty cool.

My guess is they don't let anyone take 0 or any other open number until after the draft at this point. Think that's why none of the new guys have numbers assigned to them yet, at least it doesn't show them on the roster on the team's website. Only makes sense, we know we're about to draft a QB at #1, no point in letting someone take a number they might want and then make them buy it off them (yes, even though both the guys we're looking at already are taken). But it would be cool for Corners to take it 0, fits the position. Too bad we can't have a massive 350 lbs DT take it, would just look funny on them like I've seen some college players do.

Uh... no, no matter how high your IQ is, you still take shots at the QB position. Wilson was significantly thicker built coming into the NFL than Young is, that's the difference. Everyone who keeps saying the size argument is dumb, focuses on his height, but ignore that he'd be the lightest QB taken in the first round probably ever, at least in the last 20 some years. And there haven't been "plenty of smaller QB's who were successful and durable", it's barely a handful who have been sub 6 feet and had long successful NFL careers. Wilson, Sonny Jurgensen, and Doug Flutie are probably the 3 best 5'11" or shorter, when you include 6 feet you get Brees, Tarkenton, Vick, Len Dawson, Theismann. In the history of the game Doug Flutie is likely the 8th best QB of all time 6 feet or under, don't say there have been plenty of short successful QBs. Young is shorter than all of them except Flutie and is the lightest of them all as well. That's not insignificant

ESPN put out a 7 round mock today that has us taking that kid from Army in the 3rd. I'd be all for that, clearly someone who is going to be of high character and willing to put in the work to be great, and he has a ton of potential as a pass rusher as well. Would love it if we ended up drafting him.

Hey guys, did you know that the sky is blue? Or that water is wet? Talk about something everyone knew the second the trade was made, rumors be damned