tukafan21

So you wanted to make a bet on players of possibly a different position before the season even started, let alone knowing the draft order and team needs?!?! That's just ridiculous Hunter is a unicorn in college, no doubt about it, and it makes him a better Heisman candidate. But it doesn't any bearing on his NFL draft prospects at only one of the two positions, NFL teams don't care about your DB ability if you aren't going to play the position in the NFL.

I said it in the very first response to you when you said that. You can't compare his draft slot to T-Mac and Burden if he goes into the league as a DB when the debate is about who will be first WR drafted, LOL If Hunter goes in as a WR only, he will 100% be drafted after both of them (again, as long as they play out the year and go into the draft healthy of course, that's a factor for any draftable player). If he goes in as a DB or for some crazy reason a two way player, then there isn't anything to even discuss, as it comes down to team need

Yes and no If we didn't trade for Bryce, we don't end up with the #1 pick and able to take Caleb. With a serviceable QB last year, we probably end up in the 8-10 range of the draft Trading up screws you even more, but missing on a Top 10-15 QB sets you back years no matter what (well, unless you're like the 49ers who missed because of a trade up when you already had an elite team put together of course). And if you're saying if we ended up with the #1 pick originally and took Bryce, then yea, we could have replaced him with Caleb. Which would be a VERY rare circumstance to where that miss was SOOOOO bad, that it immediately set you up to replace him. There's a reason I left Sam Rosen off that list, like I said, it sets you back unless you luck into a good situation like they did with Kyler that next year. I'd rather do things the right way instead of hoping we luck into a better situation.

Yes and no, one bad game in general doesn't ruin a player's draft stock, especially if he might have been playing sick. I personally would still take him as the top WR due to his size, but I still say he is in the battle for the top WR off the board with Burden, just like I said last week. Both will be taken over Hunter if he comes into the league as a WR only, VERY confident of that

what?!?!? None of those teams have franchise QBs and the only one of them to be contenders since those picks were the Bucs, who are that "lucky" example for falling ass backwards into Brady. I just listed off all the teams who missed on top of the draft QBs, none have been good since then except the Brady lead Bucs, but sure, just dismiss that because they had other problems. If they hit on the QB, odds are their other problems don't cause them to suck like they have been.

Literal nonsense Bears with Fields (no, our ineptitude bailing the Bears out doesn't make it one that worked out) Patriots with Mac Jones Steelers with Pickett Giants with Daniel Jones Jets with Darnold Washington with Dwayne Haskins Bucs with Jameis Titans with Mariota If you miss on a Top 10-15 QB, it screws your franchise for years trying to replace them unless you get super lucky before that 4-5 year mark, like the Bears with us or the Jets with Rodgers. Those other teams have all been trying to solve their QB situation since those picks, and only Washington and the Bears seem to have found long term solutions since then, maybe.

And if you miss, you set us back another 4-5 years instead of getting an elite prospect who could be a pro bowler for the next decade and/or stockpile picks with a trade down. Throwing a dart on a QB with the #1 pick is the dumbest thing an NFL franchise can do

2025 is a below average QB class, if we have the #1 pick, under no circumstance should we be drafting one of them. Take an elite player at another position or trade the pick and look to take someone in the 2026 class that is supposed to be much better. We can't make the same mistake that we made with Bryce yet again. We took the QB in what was known as a non elite class, even though everyone knew the next draft was supposed to have a good one.

I'd rather go 0-17 than have a QB who just allows you to compete A QB who just allows you to compete is how you get stuck in NFL purgatory

The last time we had a chance at an Elite QB was Cam and we took him, I'd say it worked out well. We could have taken Stroud, but even he wasn't expected to be that type of guy, or else the Bears would have kept the pick and took him themselves. Show me a team that has had long term sustained success with a non elite QB prospect or getting lucky and hitting on a mid round QB (like a Russell Wilson with Seattle)? It doesn't happen, you can't win in the NFL without a QB and you don't get a QB unless you have a high draft pick with elite options, or just flat out luck into a situation. Trying to force a square peg into a round hole to get your QB solution NEVER works in this league.

There won't be an elite QB in the draft this year, there won't be an elite QB FA next year There is no way to replace him with a long term solution before next season starts unless someone gets very disgruntled and demands a trade. And even if that happens, we can't give away another haul of assets for a QB, it never works out, just look at the Browns and Broncos the last couple years who tried it with Watson and Wilson

So what's your fix then? Sign another mediocre FA QB who will get us a pick in the 8-13 range of the draft where we won't get an elite QB prospect and be in the same situation again year after year? Play Dalton and be in the same situation as above? Be terrible this year and then use our #1 pick next year in a weak QB class to take someone who won't be an elite QB and be in the same situation 4 years later? Trading for the pick and then drafting Bryce was the biggest mistake I've ever seen a franchise make, it set us back so many years that it's not even funny. The unfortunate solution is that you just have to completely embrace the suck for a few years. We need to take our lumps this year, if we end up with the #1 pick again, trade it for more assets and take our lumps again for another season and then go for a QB in a better class the following season. There are no quick solutions in the NFL when your roster is this poor on talent overall and with such a bad QB situation.

Will still be our ball though, Mingo's foot was out of bounds while touching the ball before they recovered it

I'd rather that for the next 2 years than the next 10 Start building the franchise right, we're still not at rock bottom yet because it's only Game 1 of Season 2 for Bryce. Rock bottom is either at the end of next season if Bryce is the starter until then, or until he is replaced during the season next year by whoever the backup is. It sucks, but it's just the facts of life for the Panthers right now. We put ourselves here with the Bryce trade. I suggest fans stop getting their hopes up, this isn't getting solved anytime soon.

Fine, let no good FA sign here for a year or two, it will only help us suck and get better draft picks. Until we get a REAL QB, we're not going to be any good, and in today's NFL, unless you get lucky with a FA, you're not finding that QB unless you can draft them. I've never understood why TRUE fans of a team can't root for them to suck in the short term to help long term success. I'm willing to accept the pain if it's for the betterment of the franchise in the long run, to me that's the mark of a true fan, willing to lay down on the wire and take the pain.

No That's the same thing as when we fired Rhule and I said it was a mistake to do it at the time, because it only would improve the team. We're not contending this year, just take our lumps and get a good draft pick. No point in playing Dalton so we can be a 6-11 team and end up in no man's land in the draft where we won't get a truly elite prospect. Bryce needs to be our starter for the full season and possibly even next year as well since this is a weak QB class. Draft a non QB elite prospect, spend another year building up young talent, suck again next year with Bryce and then draft someone like Arch Manning with the 1st pick in 2026. We're garbage right now, need to just embrace the pain and build it up right as opposed to trying for the quick fix yet again, as it never works. Look at the Lions, they built it up right instead of trying to find shortcuts to win faster, that's how you need to do it when you're THIS bad

Literally the worst game of his career lol Lot of speculation that he might have been sick or something, as he just didn't look like himself out there in general, even just when lining up before the snap, he was moving real slow, may have just been out there as a decoy to take the defenses attention

Getting a truly elite QB in year 2 isn’t going to hurt him either, and don’t think that’s because of Rhule’s coaching as mich as his dad being an alumni and I’m sure a good NIL offer

We’ve looked terrible, not going to sugarcoat it i know the coaches sat a lot of guys tonight with minor injuries who would have played if it wasn’t an FCS team. Maybe looking like a mistake right now to just think of this game as a bye, I think we’ll snap out of it in the 2nd half though.

Nebraska rushed the field after beating an unranked team that had 4 wins last year LOL

lol, I was actually a big McGrady fan, he was my favorite player in the league back then But the new T-Mac is the real deal, you should check him out in 20 minutes.

Or you could watch the Arizona game at 10 on EPSN+ and get a live look at our 1st Round Pick next year in Tetairoa McMillan

We're absolutely contenders for it, but have a questionable defense so who knows. But T-Mac is a legitimate stud, will be a Top 10 pick in the draft and the only WR who might get drafted ahead of him is Burden, not Hunter.

I'll take T-Mac's hands and catch radius advantage over Hunter's quickness and top end speed any day of the week, as it's not like T-Mac is bad in those areas, Hunter is just a bit better as he's not as big of a WR, it makes sense. And sure, he would have better stats if he only played offense, but that doesn't make him a better draft prospect. In the same vain, you could say T-Mac would have had better stats last year too if he didn't have a teammate who also had 90 catches for 850 yards and 13 TDs last year (Jacob Cowing now of the 49ers). Or hell, maybe even if he didn't have to play with a bum at QB the first month of the season before we made the change to Fifita who then ended up as the National Freshman of the Year (and before you say it, no, the QB isn't making T-Mac who he is, if anything it's the other way around).

Didn't expect you to be watching Arizona in the past, but if you're going to proclaim to know where players will be drafted and are willing to put a $100 bet on it, maybe you should at least be familiar with one of the top two expected WRs in next years draft. I'm not saying Hunter is bad by any means, he'll be a darn good NFL WR if he decide to play that side of the ball, but the only thing he has over T-Mac would be top end speed and quickness, but that's to be expected for an elite 6'1" WR compared to a 6'5" WR. The last time I was so sure an Arizona player would be an elite NFL player was with Gronkowski. I never even said these things about the guys we've had since then who got Heisman votes, which we've had a couple of. And I was telling all my friends during his Freshman year that Gronk was going to be the next elite TE in the NFL... T-Mac has been even more impressive in college. I wasn't expecting Gronk to be the best TE of all time, so can't say I expect T-Mac to be a better NFL player, but he's our best player in school history.