tukafan21

He turns 29 this offseason, he has 2-3 years left in him and he's never really been an elite WR outside of the few times a season he flashes the potential. At some point you hav to accept what he is, someone with talent who isn't a #1 on a contending team and is probably a 3rd receiving option on that type of team. There's no reason to give him the $20+ million a year it would take for us to re-sign him with where we are at as a franchise. As I've said a million times, draft T-Mac with our First round pick instead, get a better WR on a rookie contract and 8 years younger with the potential to be a Top 5 WR in the league. So if we're not going to re-sign him (like we shouldn't), then there really is no reason to not trade him for whatever we can get as there are some WR needy teams who think they can still contend this year. I'd also trade Thielen for the same reason, think we could actually get more from the right team for him as him in the slot could be more helpful to teams than Johnson on the outside.

This is a bad idea, when he bombs out there, it's going to ruin any potential trade value he still had.

Sure that's a fair argument as well, but once it was clear the team had quit on him and we didn't have a good roster in place to begin with, the smart thing would be to just embrace the suck for one season and use it to kickstart the re-build with the #1 draft pick without needing to make a stupid trade to get there. Of all the dumb decisions this franchise has made over the last couple years, that trade was by far the worst of them as we were already a roster without a lot of talent and we traded away our best offensive weapon and multiple high draft picks in a bad QB draft, just dumb and compounded a multitude of other issues.

It was firing Rhule mid-season, I was infuriated when he did it and it was the first domino that lead to us being here right now. We weren't going to win games with him as the HC and Tepper knew it so he made the move, but it was cutting off his nose to spite his face. If we kept Rhule all season, we end up with the #1 pick of the draft all on our own, which means even if we still took Bryce, we still would have kept DJ and all those draft picks. If we still take Bryce, he's still awful and we end up replacing him with the QB heavy draft from this past season since we would have still had our 2025 1st. If we went a different way and took Stroud, pairing him with DJ and whoever else we built the WR room around (which likely would have included Tank Dell, as remember, Stroud went to the Texans after they took him and asked them to draft Dell as they had built up a great chemistry working out together before the draft).

Oh I absolutely buy the rumors as they've been handing out huge contracts lately and haven't won the SB yet on their QB's rookie deal and are somehow even worse this year (yes I know injuries play a factor). Being great at evaluating talent only gets you so far, if you don't win the SB and are saddling yourself with serious cap issues in the very near future, it's not going to help a GM keep his job. I think Lynch is in far more danger of being fired than Shanahan because of those contracts, far too much smoke about ownership being unhappy about the Williams and Aiyuk contracts for there to be no fire.

Except there have been lots of reports that it's a SB or bust season for Lynch as ownership hasn't been happy with the contracts he's given out because of what it's going to do to their cap situation in the next few years. If they aren't at worst in the NFC Championship game again, he's 100% getting fired and there have been rumors that Shanahan, for as great as he's been, will end up being tied to Lynch's fate. They have to make panic moves right now or it's going to cost them their jobs. I'd be shocked if they don't trade for a WR before the deadline, whether it's one of our guys or someone like a Mike Williams who is clearly available, who knows, but they'll get someone.

This is their year to try and win the SB, they're going to have to pay Purdy after this season, who knows what CMC's future will be (assuming he can get back this year for the playoff run), and their overall cap situation is going to get ugly soon. Trying to replace Aiyuk with Jennings and Pearsall and thinking that's good enough to help turn around a struggling team in their final year of their best SB window would be criminal.

If we're not on the phone with the 49ers about Deontae and/or Thielen than we're doing something wrong. Both of them would be great players in that offense and they now have a huge whole at WR after losing Aiyuk.

No high end HC candidate was ever going to seriously consider us, we were always only going to be looking at re-tread HC's who no other team would give another shot to or the young guys who weren't ready for it yet and saw it as their chance to jump the line Most of the pieces on this team were bad coming into the season and there's been a ton of injuries on top, I don't really blame Canales much. At worst he's going to set up a better culture in the locker room with his up beat attitude and it will get it in a better place for the next HC after Canales is dumped following next season. That's another reason I'm against drafting a QB this year, we can't fire Canales after 1 year (as NOBODY would want that job). Give him year 2 with a gap starter or young current backup (my vote is Hooker from the Lions) to see if he can do anything, if not we get a new HC with a Top 10 pick to choose his own QB.

I still think we should try and see if the Lions will trade Hendon Hooker With his and Goff's age, they don't need him as Goff is clearly their QB for the foreseeable future right now and I thought he had a ton of potential, if he didn't blow out his knee at the end of his season, he probably would have gone in the 1st round. Take T-Mac with our first pick to pair him with Legette and give Hooker the starting job the entire season. Either we find a diamond in the rough and he can be our QB moving forward or he's going to be bad enough that we get a Top 10 pick in a QB loaded draft with a true outside #1 going into their 2nd season and hopefully one of the better #2 WRs in the league for said rookie to have as his weapons. T-Mac, Legette, Brooks, Sanders has the potential to be a dangerous set of young weapons for any QB to step into

is he a QB? no? so yes, obviously i'm on board with that pick then do you even read my posts or do you see it's me and just want to talk about whatever you want to talk about?

Drafting a QB in a bad QB draft just because you need one is exactly how you get stuck in NFL purgatory This team isn't a QB away from competing, there is no circumstance that we should be drafting a QB in the first round this year, I would legitimately trade completely out of the first round this year than take a QB in the round with the prospects at the position this year

yea i don't really care, his struggles have nothing to do with him or his NFL prospects Will still be the first WR off the board and a Top 5 WR type of guy by his 2nd contract. He can't pass block to give his QB more time and he can't throw himself the ball so he gets catchable passes. And while yes, we could just throw him a bunch of 5 yard routes to force him catches, but that's not really using him to his abilities. He can't do anything about our QB not being able to have the time to let him run his routes, this team is in shambles, partially injuries, partially coaching, partially our QB play, but he's still going to be a Top 5 draft pick.

I've literally accepted the bet but you don't want to actually make it because deep down you know I'm right. If Hunter enters as a WR, T-Mac will get drafted ahead of him. 100%. If he enters as a DB there is not bet to make because NFL teams draft based on need, it's not the NBA where need isn't as big of a deal at the top of the draft.

Thank you for a post that clearly shows your lack of separation of NCAA impact and NFL prospects. You literally mention Hunter playing both ways and comparing T-Mac to Hunter in the same sentence. Hunter's two way play has NOTHING to do with his draft status or how NFL teams will evaluate him for the next level, as it's not something he's doing outside of gadget plays on offense (assuming he goes in as a DB)

welp, Hunter's day is done

2 for 17 vs 2 for 15, but sure, that's having more of an impact... I guess Taking a victory lap over T-Mac not having a big game with how our OL and QB have played is basically the equivalent of doing the same thing for any of our WRs the first two games of our season this year with how Bryce was playing.

Sure, and it’s more fair to say now as it’s almost halftime than after one quarter when you said it, but you also insinuated it was because he was getting shutdown, which he’s not. The team is a mess, we’ve had one drive this quarter over 3 plays, it’s not because he’s getting locked down, we just can’t even get him targets with the OL playing like Swiss cheese right now.

What does any of that have anything to do with “T-Mac has done so far” like you said?!?! I’ve also been saying for weeks how horrible our QB and rest of the team has been playing, part of it is he has no time with how the OL has played.

Who is this Tetairoa McMillan you speak of? Never heard of him

Only you can say a WR has done nothing after 1 quarter, when their team has had the ball twice and only thrown the ball 6 times so far

Shut down? we’ve had two drives, a 3 and out and a TD, he’s had two targets, one he caught for a first down and the other was well over his head and stop what? Hunter is banged up, it’s perfectly reasonable to wonder if they won’t put him on T-Mac for that exact reason… any CB who isn’t fully healthy could get cooked by T-Mac, it’s not even a hunter tuing

Don’t think I’ve seen Hunter lined up on T-Mac yet, wonder if him being banged up is the reason. If he struggled badly against T-Mac today it could actually hurt his draft stock a bit

T-Mac vs Hunter on Fox, let’s get ready to rumble!!!!!!

I think the Patriots would love to get him and have a crazy CB pairing with him and Gonzalez, but I really can't see any way that a team takes Hunter #1 overall, as taking a CB at #1 is just nuts, especially when you already have one of the best young CBs in the game as is. As valuable as a true lockdown corner can be for a team, taking them 1st overall makes no sense, you trade back or take a position that impacts the game more, like DE or OT if there isn't a QB to take at #1 that year (and again, I don't think Hunter plays WR in the NFL, he's a better CB prospect and with his size, he's more likely to hold up on that side of the ball than on offense). 1996 was the last time a non QB, DE, or OT was taken first overall and it was a WR, which was also a year after an RB went first and a DT the year before that too. And in today's NFL, I think we'll see WRs be much more in play to go 1st overall in years there isn't a QB for the spot given how much they can change a team when you have a true elite WR. In fact, there hasn't been a DB drafted first overall in the history of the NFL going back to 1936. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if we were to end up with the top pick and some QB doesn't end up proving they should be the pick (and so far none have), then I'm taking T-Mac 100 times out of 100 if we can't trade back, and even then I'm targeting him of course lol