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That was a proposed rule change that didn't pass the owner vote this offseason. Maybe they'll try it again next year or in the future, but there isn't going to be a bonus game day spot for a 3rd QB this year.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if he's someone who won't be an OC, he'll be our QB coach and end up leaving directly for a HC job. If we lose Brown soon, our next OC will be Deuce unless he's also gotten a HC job already. So odds are, that's at least 3 years if not more until our OC job would be open for him. Sure, a perfect opportunity could open up for McCown to be an OC, but I think it will be hard to top the opportunity to turn Bryce into a top end QB in this league. If he does that, particularly with all the size concerns over him, it will be enough to get him a HC job without being an OC first. So I don't think he's leaving for any old OC job, would need to be a perfect opportunity, other than that, I think he's here as our QB coach for a few years and then gets a HC job.

We have 3 future HC's on the staff and all are black, it would be okay to lose one of them after this year since we'd still have 2 left, but keeping at least 2, if not all 3, around for 2 seasons is key. You get a Third round pick 2 years in a row after they get the HC jobs, if we can get an extra 6 third round picks over the course of 2-4 years, that's significant.

Van Wilder did 7 years

Name another available veteran QB who was available this offseason who was willing to sign on to being a backup without a legitimate chance at earning the starting job........ But is better suited to be a mentor than Dalton, a guy who never was an elite physical talent but still was able to start in this league for a decade. I'd say I'll wait.... but there isn't Only one who would have been close, is Two Gloves, but given him already being here a couple years ago, Dalton makes way more sense.

Well seeing as I live about a 30 minute drive from Ford Field, clearly going to the Seattle game

No, you are totally incorrect here. It's not about actually completing it, at all. Just because Mahomes only completed 2 passes like that last year, doesn't mean when they sent their WR's on those go routes that the defense just said, "we're good" once they get past 40ish yards and not worry about it. Just the ability of the QB to put the ball out there at that distance forces the defense to play a little further back. In every defensive scouting report against a team like the Chiefs, Chargers, Bills, etc (teams with those massive armed QB's), it will have notes in there about watching out for the super deep ball, being aware of it, and accounting for it. That just will never show up in a scouting report for Bryce, because he doesn't have that arm. And again, nobody has once said this is a disqualifier for him to being a successful QB, people are just pointing out that he has average arm strength and it takes one thing off the table for us that other teams may have. Which I think is the bigger problem here, you're just missing the point as to why people are talking about it. Nobody is saying it's going to keep him from being good, but if you can't objectively look at your players and know their strengths, weaknesses, and how either can benefit or hinder a team's performance, then you have no standing in a discussion like this. Everything isn't rainbows and butterflies, but it doesn't mean the sky is falling either.

Tell me you don't get it, without telling me that you don't get it C'mon man, I brought up the crowded pocket in the sense that Bryce needed a perfectly clean pocket to have the ability to properly step up and into that throw to get the most behind it and get it to his max throwing distance. And only mentioned other QB's ability in the sense to showcase their arm strength in that they don't need that clean pocket to step into the throw perfectly clean to get it that far. In short, it clearly had nothing to do with the pocket/pressure itself, was just an example of arm strength and the ability to throw it that far with the flick of a wrist. You then brought up Bryce being best in his class at dealing with pressure and a crowded pocket, which has absolutely nothing to do with arm strength.

I don't think you get it No, they don't line up 40 yards off the ball, but if you have a speedster at WR and a QB with a monster arm, it causes safeties to back up once the ball is snapped and run with that WR running the go-route. It's not even about completing the passes that deep, it's about having the ability to do so and thus forcing the defense to respect and defend that possibility. It opens up underneath routes, particularly in the middle of the field, as it removes the safety from that area of the field by default. It's like why teams with Lebron on it need to build a team filled with shooters around him. It's to keep the defense needed to stay close to them, and thus open up space in the lane for Lebron to do his work. To further the basketball analogy, it's like when a terrible shooter gets the ball outside the 3 point line and the defense completely sags off them because they're unafraid of them shooting the 3. Same concept, not hard to understand, it's about the threat of something and the defense needing to account for it.

the discussion was about arm strength, you posted a video about arm strength, so why bring up pressure/crowded pockets? odd

Not sure this video makes the argument that you think it does First pass was about 55 air yards, actually probably a few yards less, second pass only went 50, the third one was about 60, maybe a yard or two less. If that's the video that shows off his max arm strength, then it's easily bottom half of the NFL among starting QB's and likely in the bottom 10 in the end. Again, it's adequate and serviceable, but the top strong armed QB's can throw it that far from a crowded pocket with the flick of the wrist, he needed perfectly clean pocket and be able to step into those throws as clean as can be to get it there. And again, as I pointed out in my last post, it's less even about being able to make that throw as much as just having the threat of it in your back pocket to keep a safety deeper. There are a lot of positives about Bryce that people can talk up, but arm strength just isn't one of them, it's probably his biggest actual weakness if you don't count injury concern as that's not quite as tangible of a thing like arm strength is.

This is surprising to me, odds are he doesn't have the cash on hand to buy too significant of a stake in the team, which if that's the case, I'm surprised that Kraft doesn't offer up to Brady the same percentage stake in the Patriots. With what NFL franchises are selling for, even $200 Million would probably only be between 5% of the franchise, if even that much, gotta think the Raiders are worth more than the Redskins that just sold for $6 Billion or the Broncos that went for $4 Billion. I'd think 5% of the Patriots would be worth it to Kraft to keep Brady in the family and not have him now tied at the hip to another franchise, particularly in the AFC. Especially since he wouldn't be just giving it to him for free, he'd make a couple hundred million on it (and that's if he's even investing that much, could be even less).

I think what people are missing in the arm strength debate with Bryce, is that yes, he has an adequate arm, which allows him to make all the throws with the necessary zip on them, but that's because he knows his limits and stays within them, which is great. But he just flat out doesn't have that monster arm strength, and even with an NFL workout regimen, he's never going to have THAT kind of arm, which isn't the worst thing as many NFL QB's have been successful without it. However, it does eliminate a growing element in the NFL today, and that's the uber deep ball to a speedster running a go-route. Beyond it just being a great weapon to have as it can create monster game-changing plays, it also helps force defenses to account for it on every snap and tends to keep a safety deeper and thus take a defender out of the play on many snaps. We won't ever have that with Bryce unfortunately, and for as great as Tyreek was with the Dolphins last year, it was clear that Tua doesn't have that monster arm either and it hurt their ability to tell Tyreek to run as fast as he can and just outrun everyone for a 70 yard bomb that guys like Mahomes can throw. So many times last year Tyreek had the defense woefully beat and was already running behind them when he had to slow up and almost stop to catch the pass because Tua couldn't throw it far enough to allow him to keep running. So I think people knocking his arm strength, at least I know it is with myself, isn't about him not being able to make the throws that he needs to make, but that it eliminates the possibility of a play that is becoming very useful in today's NFL, that's all.

Ugh another season with Week 14 byes? Screws things up for fantasy football, last bye should be Week 13. And before anyone says it’s dumb to cater to fantasy football… fantasy football is why the NFL is as big as it is today, the explosion in media money over the last 20 years is a direct result of fantasy football driving interest in so many people who don’t care about the NFL outside of fantasy.

I agree with that, my pointing out of better opponents for storyline sake wasn't about the matchups being in week 2 but on MNF in general. I'd think Bryce vs AR along with the Reich side of it on MNF is significantly more interesting than Bryce vs Carr and a divisional matchup early in the season.

0% chance of this happening, same with us and Corral, in the end, someone would give up at minimum a late round pick to get them before they get cut and can sign with anyone. Neither may be on their current teams come Week 1, but neither will be cut

That's fair, but if that's the case, there are so many better matchups they could have done that would help draw in more viewers. As on the surface, even with the #1 pick in the game, Panthers-Saints Week 2 seems about as uninspiring of a national interest in a matchup as possible. Texans would have the picks 1-2 storyline, Colts would have Reich against his old team and maybe AR-Bryce, Bears would be DJ and the team that traded the #1 pick, Jags would be the two most recent #1 pick QBs, Dolphins would have two former Alabama QB's against each other, and Cowboys are the Cowboys, hell, either Bucs game would bring in the Baker storyline too. All would be way more interesting matchups for MNF if they were looking to get Bryce that spotlight. That part makes sense to do with the latest #1 pick, it's them doing it in Week 2 against the Saints that seems odd to me, that early in the season, the only storyline is that we're division rivals.

MNF against the Saints in week 2? That would be surprising for the league to do, no interesting storylines between two teams that don't have much of a national following, have a hard time believing that one.

There is no circumstance other than Young getting hurt in the pre-season and needing to go on IR that would end up with him having a redshirt season. We traded a ton to go up to #1 to have our choice of QB's and took the player who was supposed to be the most pro ready QB in decades, if he isn't starting week 1 it's a disaster, if he needs a redshirt season to bulk up, there would be a mutiny by the fans and BOA would get burned to the ground.

Put Bryce's brain in Darnold's head and that player could end up the best QB of all time But unfortunately Darnold has his own brain which just breaks down at the worst times and the ghosts come back out to play

I think they very easily could have named him QB1 right now without any problem. When Dalton signed, he was saying that he did it knowing he was here to support the #1 pick as his backup, he doesn't expect to be given a fair shot at winning the job by outplaying Bryce in camp. Everyone knows that Bryce is our best chance at winning both now and in the future, he needs to get the first snap when the rookies can practice with the vets. Like others have stated, he needs as many reps with the starters as possible so we go into Week 1 as ready as we can be, not still trying to get on the same page. They can say that's exactly why he's QB1 right now, but that he still has to go out there and earn the right to keep that job, that if he is just terrible in camp and pre-season, Dalton might have to step in until he's ready. It's not about the name of QB1 or QB2, it's about the reps with the players who will be starting in Week 1. Hell, you could say Dalton is QB1 but giving Bryce the first snaps with the starers to get him the reps if you want, name doesn't matter, just the reps.

Fields was nowhere near as pro-ready as Bryce is, night and day difference.

Guessing this has been discussed within a thread, but not seeing a dedicated one to it and don't want to dig to find where it's being discussed, so if there is already one out there, sorry for this if there is an ongoing discussion of this already. I have no problem with them taking this standpoint at this moment before he's even had rookie mini camp, but by the time real training camp starts, this needs to end and he needs to be taking first reps with the starting unit from day 1. It didn't work for the Jags 2 years ago with Lawrence, they knew he'd be the starter but by having him in a "true competition" it just took away much needed snaps with the first team offense and it didn't go well for them.

Yea, this I don't think anyone heard he signed that deal and said, "I think he'll be good at that" Was basically the obvious and I'm guessing he realized it and doesn't want to look bad when they fire him after 1 season because of how terrible he was.