tukafan21

I see what you're saying, but I think it's just different for athletes. If a business alienates a potential customer, the customer will go somewhere else for their needs. There is not there NFL, or NBA, or whatever. They're the only game in town and like any other rich or famous person, they like to use their platform to support the causes they believe in, a right they've earned through a lifetime of hard work to get into that position. And because all teams have players from all sides of societal or political viewpoints, to me it's all a wash in the end with team sports. If you don't want to be a big fan of a specific player because they speak up on their stances, so be it, but flat out not wanting them on your team because of it is a little too far in my book when they can help your team win. You're not rooting for a woman or child abuser in that situation, or an animal abuser in the case of Vick (another player I would never have been okay with on my team), even if you strongly disagree with whatever they do believe in themselves.

Just because they're famous, doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to speak their mind, no matter what it's about. If they're talking about things that then cause a distraction for the team, then I'll take issue to them doing so, but on that basis only, beyond that, I really couldn't care in this instance. And really? Sexual orientation is the example you used? Beyond players talking about their wifes (so assuming they're straight), there's been what, 2 players to ever come out as gay?

There are both players from both sides of the aisle on every team in every sport, that's not something I'm going to take issue to in who is on the teams I root for. If that's a problem for someone, then they need to be a fan of individual sports like MMA where they can pick and choose single people to root for. Hardy is a totally different situation, he's a woman beater. No thanks to guys like that, or Watson/Tucker types either. No to the Tyreek's either (how the tape of him saying his son and girlfriend should be afraid of them didn't end his career is beyond me). But political or religious views, I might not want to be friends with the guy, but I'm not going to take issue with them on my teams since there are a mix on every team in all sports.

I don’t agree with much he says, but I don’t care about personal views on players on my teams, as long as they aren’t committing crimes I’m fine with them

So because I'm a big fan of one of our WRs, I'm not allowed to be critical of the team or offense without it being about my guy? Bryce had 102 yards of passing on 20 attempts. He has one game this season of over 199 yards. This isn't about T-Mac not getting yards, or catches, or even targets. It's about the ineptitude of our passing offense as a whole because of our QB and coach. That is not good enough in today's NFL and I'd say that whether T-Mac was on this team or not, or whether he had all 102 of those yards today or 0 of them. He is 32nd in the league in YPA and 26th in completion %, and somehow people think he's the reason we're winning these games or even actually playing well?!?!

Did we really shut them down though? They had 369 yards of offense. That is 9 more yards than they average per game and 53 more than we give up per game this year. If a team gave up 369 yards per game on defense, they'd be the 7th worst defense in the league this year. Yes, I will give our defense credit for having the 4th down stand near our goal line as well as creating the fumble that stopped their first drive, as they did rise to the occasion then, but even the INT was just a ridiculous play/throw and handed it to us and they also missed a FG. We didn't force them into a single punt all game. We had 1 sack on a QB who had 37 pass attempts. They had drives of 56, 49, 50, 43, 58, and 71 yards (while we only had 2 over 40 yards ourselves). We bent, a lot, but never really broke, partially due to the Packers own mistakes, that's a far cry from "shutting them down" in my opinion. Again, this is why I'm critical of us after a day like today, I'm able to look beyond a final score and evaluate how we played on the whole, and we keep squeaking out these wins despite not playing well at all. And yes, that is what great teams do, but they also play well in the majority of their games, where as all we seem to do is squeak out ugly wins without ever playing all that well. I'm not saying I'm unhappy that we won, I've never once said anything like that, but when week after week I see serious concerns with how we played, then I'm going to call out what I see.

We won scoring 16 points, they lost scoring 42. If we put up 42 points in a loss while looking like a real life NFL team, I’d have been more encouraged by that than winning with how we looked today. Winning today helps our current place in the standings, but actually improving as a team (or particularly as an offense) would help our long term outlook as a franchise under Canales and Bryce.

Almost 41 year old Joe Flacco, in 3 games with the Bengals (and without any offseason program with them) has thrown for 1,035 yards and 9 TDs Bryce Young, the #1 pick in the draft 3 years ago, in 8 games this year has thrown for 1,390 yards and 11 TDs

How are there people not only defending this, but thinking he's somehow proven to deserve even another snap as a starter, let alone having his 5th year option picked up, or god forbid given an extension?

Love threw for 273 yards, so no, Bryce doesn't get a pass because of the wind

I will absolutely give them credit for holding a great offense to just 13 points, credit is due to them for that, no doubt about it. But I will also point out how we didn't force them to punt one time all game either. Which is also why I feel like the Packers lost this game more than we won it, missed FG and a few bad turnovers cost them the game, and not sure I'd say we forced them into those things, maybe the fumble, but not the INT or missed kick, bad throw/play call, bad kick.

If we're keeping Rico, it means giving him a sizable contract while also taking a cap hit on moving Hubbard. If we do that, our back up RBs next year are Brooks and Etienne, you can't sink more cap room into the position after that.

There is no good solution to the Rico situation. Trade him and we're trading the only thing working for this offense right now. Keep him around and watch him leave for a big contract in FA and we got nothing in return for him in what will be another non playoff season. Keep him around and sign him to a big extension while cutting/trading Hubbard and taking the cap hit on top of the Rico contract, and we're putting even more cap resources into the RB position. Leave it to the Panthers to find a diamond in the rough in FA and it somehow only lead to lose-lose-lose long term situations.

This... This is ALL they are seeing and nothing else... There are far too many fans (in all sports) that can't see past wins and losses and attribute all good (or bad) things to them. If you win, everything is fine, if you lose, nothing is okay, even if what actually is happening on the field is the exact opposite.

I get what you're saying, but you kinda prove my point by saying "overlook it" Which means in reality, you agree with what I'm saying but are just upset at me for not being able to ignore it and "just be happy" because we won. You guys see a win where we still don't look good. I see it as a win that gives me no actual increased hope for the future because I didn't see anything that makes me think we're actually improving as a team. I don't want to celebrate an 8-9 season where we end the season with more questions about our future than answers. Would you extend Bryce right now? Would you give Canales a contract extension? I said it before the season started, I cared about one thing this year (or two depending if you view them together or separate). I wanted to see Bryce and Canales improve at their respective jobs, and I haven't seen that out of either of them, let alone enough improvement to want to keep them around long term. And that is why games like today frustrate me more than I can celebrate a win. Because I don't see how they're actually setting us up for future success, and that concerns the hell out of me.

And not being concerned about our QB still looking this bad in his 3rd season is?????? They're not mutually exclusive, you can celebrate the win while still being concerned and speaking your mind about it. I've never one time said I'm not happy that we won, I've never one time this season said I wish we'd have lost a game. All I'm doing is giving my objective opinion about what I've seen on the field, regardless of the Win/Loss result, and everyone tries to tell me what I'm trying to say instead of just taking my words at face value for what I'm saying.

Totally fair, but I also have not one time complained about winning these games, not once. Everyone keeps saying I'm upset because it's hurting our draft stock, but I've never once said anything close to that, because it's not at all accurate. I'm frustrated that we're 9 games into Canales' 2nd season and Bryce's 3rd, and yet we still just look like crap. Here is a good way to explain how I'm viewing things right now, despite it being an odd way to describe it. If someone took today's game put all the drives in a random order and removed all scoring plays (so you can't keep score yourself) and said, "watch this game and tell me what team won the game and your general feeling on each team" Not a single person would watch the game and say that we were the better team, or even that we played well. And THAT is my problem with the team, because we just flat out look bad still, wins aside. And yes, I acknowledge that good teams still find ways to win when they don't look good. But at some point you need to look good while doing so or you're never going to actually make the playoffs (or if you somehow find a way to, you're going to get crushed by a legit good team). Too many fans keep celebrating wins because they're wins, and ignoring how we actually look on the field.

He's a former #1 overall pick more than halfway through his 3rd season. Sorry, but we're LONG past the time to "worry about Bryce later"

Winning solves out problems at QB? If anything, it only compounds them because it's going to trick the front office into giving said QB an extension, despite him barely able to crack 100 yards passing.

"in spite of it being a win" is the key statement there. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT WINS AND LOSSES THIS YEAR How many times do I have to say that for it to be understood? We've been poo for a decade. Empty wins mean nothing to me. Show improvement on the fuging field. Period. Wins do NOT equal improvement, wins equal wins. Losses equal losses. Improvement equals improvement. Show improvement in a win and I'm going to be happy and celebrate it. Show improvement in a loss and I'll be happy (but maybe not "celebrate" it). But win or lose while still not showing improvement and looking like a bad football team and I'm going to call it out for what I see, bad football where the other team was even worse on that particular Sunday.

perfectionist? You think I'm frustrated because we weren't perfect?!?!?! The Packers had 104 yards more of total offense, we only beat them because they had 2 TO's to our 1 combined when them scoring on only 1 of their 5 trips to the red zone. That's getting lucky, not showing improvement. Sorry if that upsets you and other people when I call that out. Show major improvement in a game we still lose, and I'll be the first person to congratulate the staff/players that had a great game. But I'm not going to kiss their ass in a game we won because the other team was worse than we were in critical areas.

No, I worry about us not improving on the field while Bryce continues to look like a bust week after week. Period. Go back and find my posts from before the season, I spent all offseason talking about how I don't care about wins or losses, all I want to see is actual on field improvement this season, particularly from Bryce. Bryce looks just as bad as ever and I see no on field improvement other than Canales not forcing Hubbard carries today, and that one thing is not good enough to satisfy my desire for seeing improvement.

So let's say the wind blew that kick wide, which nobody could have faulted any player or coach about given the conditions. Then we lose in OT. Would you still say progress was being made? Or is it SOLELY because of the W when looking at the schedule? That's not some crazy hypothetical, it's a very fair question to ask, and it's what ALL of my comments right now are based in. I've actually credited Canales multiple times in recent weeks about him turning the culture of the team around. But none of that matters if we're not seeing actual on field improvement, as they're just hollow wins that might make some fans feel good in the moment, but they aren't wins that will help us in the future. And yes, I think this win is VERY different than those Wilks/Foreman lead wins. Because we looked like competent NFL teams in those wins, something I don't see right now when watching this team. I see a team that is rightfully giving it to the hot hand at RB, but making countless other mistakes and looking dreadful in the passing game week after week.

When we still miss the playoffs and go into next year with Bryce still as our QB and he still sucks. People like you are not allowed to complain that he hasn't improved yet in his 4th season in the league. If you can't objectively look at what you're seeing on the field and acknowledge that we are winning in spite of things like looking like a real NFL team, then you don't get to complain when those problems rear their ugly head and bite us in the ass in the future. You know it's okay to both celebrate a win while acknowledging the issues you see, but sticking your head in the sand isn't going to help either.

Except we are winning games without actually improving on the field. If you can't see why that is a problem, then I can't help you. We have a #1 draft pick going out there in his 3rd season and barely able to break 100 yards passing week in and week out. But sure, let's go all crazy over a win that was more or less given to us by the other team's mistakes.