tukafan21

To be fair, Burns and Chinn made sense as Burns wanted more money than made sense for the player he is and Chinn wasn't coming back here since we weren't using him, while Luvu we tried to re-sign but couldn't. Don't get me started on the DJ or CMC trades though, they both still infuriate me beyond belief. Give me the two of them and all our draft picks over Bryce any day of the week.

Yea I get what you're saying, my comment was just in general, that a team with as many holes and as few cornerstone players as we have, trading one of those few good players, injury history aside, would just be exactly something we'd end up doing. I get that injury history needs to be considered, but in the end, we don't have enough of a built out roster to trade him, we have to take the risk. It can be structured in a way that it minimizes our risk on the back end of the deal so we can get out of it after a year or two without much pain in case he gets hurt, but signing him to an extension is a must. Hell, we could always threaten him with the franchise tag the next 2 years to force him to show he can stay healthy and use it as leverage to get him to sign a shorter contract now instead, which would actually benefit both sides. It gives us the chance to make sure he stays healthy, and it allows him to either hit FA or sign another extension in 2 years and cash in then if he stays healthy. Sign him now to a 3 year extension at just over the franchise tag number, on a front loaded deal. If he stays healthy, in 2 years we sign him to a monster contract, if he can't, then he made more money than he would have on the franchise tag and we get out of it without much future cap hits.

That's not my point, I'm just saying it's a very micro way of looking at it. As I said to someone a week or two ago when they said "we need high draft picks on the defensive side of the ball" That's just a flawed way of looking at building a roster, we need to have impact players on the defensive side of the ball, not necessarily high draft picks, they're two different things. Everyone keeps talking about going all defense in this draft, but the reality is we need to just forget about the draft right now and focus on defensive FA's. If we target and sign the right players in FA, namely not trying to spread our cap around but sign 1-2 serious impact players with at least one being a pass rusher, then it opens up all sorts of draft possibilities. Even if we went defense with every pick of our draft, they better not be the most impactful newcomers on the team next year, as it then means we screwed up our free agency.

I get what you're saying, but it's also kind of a disingenuous way of phrasing it when the best player on our whole team is a defensive lineman. Also, sometimes the best pass rush is by having great coverage downfield so the QB has to hold the ball longer, even the best offensive lines can only block players for so long before one gets loose to the QB

This would be peak Panthers Draft someone in the Top 10, stick with them for 3 years while they can't stay on the field due to injuries, despite other teams likely willing to give up a decent pick for him. Player finally has a full healthy season and makes the Pro Bowl. Panthers don't want to extend him and then trade him for a 2nd round pick for us to draft another bust.

Nah, I'd rather stay where we are in the 2nd and use those 5th rounders to move one of the 4th's up into the 3rd instead. With all our holes, we can find a useful player in the 3rd, I'd rather fill an extra missing spot than get a better player in the 2nd. In particular, I think that would be a great way to find our Center of the future, give up the 4th and like 2 5ths to move into the middle of the 3rd round to target a Center if there is one we like.

Yes we need to improve our defense, but I think people are taking the wrong thing away from last night's game. Yes, the Eagles defensive line pressure was amazing all night long and it's what won them the game, but it's not like they just did that to some dominant OL, Mahomes has been under pressure from pass rush a lot lately. The Eagles DL was great, but I think a takeaway the league at large is going to take is more on the other side, that if you can't protect your QB, no matter how good he is, it's not going to matter.

T-Mac, Graham, Johnson If none of them fall to us, trade back

He's 29 years old with a bad contract, and yes, while he has game breaking ability, he really doesn't have a defined position anymore, he's not really all that great at just lining up at WR and running routes, he's more gadget than anything. If you trade for a player like him, you need to build your offense around moving him around and getting him the ball with unique plays that don't work with anyone else. If he was 25 without injury issues, then it's a totally different conversation, but re-building your offense around an overpriced, oft injured 29 year old without a true position is exactly how you compound the issues a team like ours has. He's another player where I'd much rather WAY overpay to go after someone like Higgins, and I'm already staunchly against doing that as well.

Philly still may have won, but that play legitimately could have been what finished the Chiefs off in the end. If they went down and went TD-TD to close and open the half to then be down 10, it's a totally different game.

If this were remotely true, he'd be widely viewed as the unanimous #1 pick in this draft. The fact that that's just not the case, tells me this is an incorrect statement. The fact that he falls into the 2nd round in some mocks, tells me this is a widely absurd statement. I can't get on board with a player that polarizing at #8, just can't do it.

He’s transitioned into being a pass rusher, not going to be a MLB in the NFL

The Eagles have had a ton of roster turnover since their SB 2 years ago And there is a massive difference between other playoff games and the Super Bowl, just everything about it. They spend the week in town for practice, plus all the media around it. The extended intros, extended halftime, the pressure of the moment, all of it is just different and when half of one team has done it the last 3 years, it gives them a significant advantage that not enough people take into account.

I don't think this can be dismissed for how big of an impact it could make, in 2 particular areas. The start of the game and halftime KC isn't going to have any nerves at the start of this game, too many players who have been on the last 2 SB teams, while a lot of Eagles very well could have some jitters at the start, it's pretty normal for the SB. Then the super long halftime can never be understated at how different it is for the players. Was watching something with Belichick last night that said once when they got back to the SB after a bunch of years of not going, they specifically practiced halftime that week, taking the 30+ minute break in the middle of practices so their guys could get used to the extended break. In a close game, those two things very well could give the Chiefs just enough of an edge to make a difference.

WOW, Rappaport just said the Cowboys have had internal discussions about trading Parsons. Part of me says there is no way I'd ever consider trading for him as it would just cost us too much in draft capital and cap room, but man, him alone could change the prospects of this defense for the next 5+ years in an instant. Parsons + Brown = good luck opposing OL's

Hardest HOF to get into just got even harder, but in a bad way, it's more likely to make the HOF illegitimate than more exclusive, as players who should be in will now never get in. I wouldn't have ever said this a week ago, but I now no longer think Smith ever gets in, this new system is going to create too big of a backlog, his only chance will be with the veteran committee some day down the line. Luke not being a 1st ballot would have been acceptable because of his short career, just not when they didn't have a full class, leaving 2 open spots and not putting Kuechly in is a travesty, and an indication of how dumb this new voting process is.

lol I was just thinking this when reading that other thread that just got started where the guy said he likes a Safety at #8. Yea, I'd love one of those major impact Safeties that we haven't seemed to have in forever, but I don't think there is an Ed Reed in this class, just seems like it would be a waste at #8 to go that way. I'd rather take the TE from Penn State at 8 than go with a Safety, and I couldn't be more against doing that anyways. OL and S might be the only two positions I'd have a serious issue with if we used #8 on those positions, anything else could be justified, I'd even take an elite MLB over either of those two (if there was one we liked enough, but don't think there is this year anyways).

I'm just happy to not see a thread today asking us to trade for Deebo since the 49ers said they're looking to trade him after he asked to be. He can be a useful player on the right team with the right coaching staff, but his contract is just too big for what he is as an actual WR, where he's average at best, in 6 years he's only had over 892 yards once

This is also kills anyones dream of trading for Wilson, as I can't see any way they even consider moving him if they're moving on from Rodgers, as his issue has been Rodgers, not the team in general.

Yup There is no perfect prospect, a weakness doesn't mean he's bad at it, just that it could be better. He’s not doing the things he did in college if he has trouble separating in the way people make it seem on here. People here are still too hung up on the contested catch statistic that popped up on here a few months ago and the other draft busts who were also on the list. They ignored that the next guys on the list would have been I think Chase and Jefferson, or that the reason for so many of the contested catches were due to double/triple teams and not inability to separate. When you’re doubled on just about every snap, it’s hard to not have contested targets, he’s just good enough to still make the plays.

These two aren't even close to the same thing T-Mac has true elite physical capabilities outside of his speed. Bryce still needs to be the biggest physical outlier in the history of the sport to be successful in the NFL. And that's before even considering that for a year and a half of Bryce's career he looked like he couldn't make a CFL team. I'd say T-Mac will make a Pro Bowl before Bryce, but these days it does seem like any QB with a pulse ends up getting named to the Pro Bowl at some point with how often they back out of it and the next one gets named, who ends up also not going and they just keep going down the list. I mean, I like Maye's potential, but in what world is THAT a Pro Bowl season he just had.

In what way does the NFL let everyone in the HOF and that it's too easy to get in? 5 players get in every year (only looking at the modern era voting, not senior committee). There are 7 different types of positions in the league if you group them together as QB, RB, WR/TE, OL, DL, LB, DB. It's also nearly impossible to accurately compare the impact of an elite player at one position to another, QB's aside. How do you really compare the impact of a HOF caliber LB to a HOF caliber WR? It was already the hardest HOF to get into because of those factors and they just made it sooooooooo much harder for players to get into in the future, to the point where players that even the voters would agree should be in the HOF, won't get in. This isn't the Basketball HOF where there are tons of non worthy people who get in. If you make it to the Final 7 of the HOF voting in the NFL, you're more than qualified and deserving to make it. You shouldn't be kept out because 20 of the 49 voters were split between say putting Kuechly or Holt going into the HOF that year over the other, they both should be in. Because it's also not even about being in just the Top 7 of voting, it means you can come in 4th and still not make it because you "only" got 39 of the 49 final votes as those other 10 voted for Holt instead who should have been in years ago, which is just insane.

Smith never getting in would be more of a travesty than Luke not being a 1st ballot, as much as he deserved that honor. I have zero concern about Luke getting in, in fact I'd be shocked if he doesn't get in next year, but I'm genuinely worried this new change will keep Smith out, too much of a WR backlog with the current NFL game being so pass happy, it's going to get real tough for some of these WRs to ever get in.

The more I think about it, the more asinine the reasoning behind this change becomes to me. They said this was done because they wanted it to be more exclusive, but in reality, while it of course does that because it means less people get in, what it really does is make it more illegitimate as there will be clear HOFers who now never get in. Eli Manning for example, I'm not sure he ever gets in now, even though he should be. I realize he was kinda a marginal QB for much of his career, but when you are Top 10 all time in both yards and TDs when you retire and have 2 SBs with 2 SB MVP's, you're a HOFer, period. But how is he ever going to get in with these new rules? He'll never be a 100% of the vote kind of guy, and when put up against the Top 7 finalists, he'll likely always have 10 voters who feel leaving him off their final ballot to vote for the likes of say, a Torry Holt who was more dominant at their position than Eli ever was, is totally fair (and they won't be wrong). The real problem is when you then also get 10 voters who leave Holt off their final ballot for Eli, which again would also be fair, it keeps both guys out that year and adds to the logjam and will only create more vote splitting every subsequent year.

Not really, as the new rule is that you need 80% of the votes from that Final 7 vote to get in OR be in the Top 3 of voting. So there will always be at minimum 3 players from the modern era voting put in every year, even if none get to the 80% mark. But I do think we'll see very few 4 and 5 man classes in the future and it will be mostly 3 man classes, as all it takes is for 20 voters to be split down the middle on the other 4 players in a class to end up tanking all of their chances as you can only lose 10 votes. So 10 vote for the 3 sure fire guys and then 2 of the other 4, another 10 vote the same 3 and then the other 2, all 4 of the others are now kept out. It's sooooooooooo dumb, it doesn't mean they're not worthy of getting in, and every year they put in less than 5 just adds to the backlog and will end up being the reason worthy players never get in during their 20 year window of eligibility.