tukafan21

Well, I'd do that one in a heartbeat because that Broncos 1st rounder would allow us to then trade Bryce in the offseason and use their pick to replace him with one of the elite prospects in this upcoming draft as they'll be a Top 5 pick. But that's also why they won't trade their 1st away, they're already planning on replacing Wilson with it.

If you don't think Burns is worth Higgins or a 1st separately, you don't understand how the NFL views pass rushers The Broncos were able to trade Bradley Chubb and a 5th for a 1st, 4th, and a player, and Burns had 18 more sacks after his first 4 years than Chubb had at that point. And Chubb had 5.5 sacks in 8 games before being traded during his 5th year, Burns already has 3 sacks after only 4 games during his 5th year. 100% chance a team would be willing to trade more than just a single 1st round pick for Burns this year, it's just a matter of our front office not being stupid this time and taking it.

NO TMJ is off our books next year and Jeudy has $13 million guaranteed. A TMJ trade that would make more sense is to work him into a deal for Higgins, pair him back up with his LSU teammates in Burrow and Chase. Burns and TMJ for Higgins, a 1st, and like a 4th works for me

Because the rest of the year is meant to help Bryce grow (unfortunately figuratively and not literally) and adding an elite WR would help do that. However, Jeudy isn’t an elite WR, that’s just a different discussion.

Yea I know, which is why I said I’m not sure what I suggested can be done, as I’m not sure if you can re-work that option year once it’s picked up. But with a “normal contract” they would be able to pay down that final year as a bonus before the trade. If that can’t be done here, then I have less than zero interest in him. I’ll take a 2 year rental to see if it works at a sub $5 million cap hit next year, but to take that $13 Million on next year to do it is a complete non-starter for me.

Here is the only way I’m okay with trading for Jeudy (and I don’t even know if it’s possible to do to a 5th year option from a first round contract). 5th round pick for Jeudy AFTER they re-negotiate his $13 million owed to him next year to be a $10 million bonus paid by the Broncos before the trade and this only putting us on the hook for $3 million next year. Any draft capital better than that and any money more than that on our books and it’s a complete non starter for me. He is a first round talent who has played like a replacement level player for his whole career, we need to stop going after guys like that.

Oh… and on those 9 TDS…. 3 of them came in the same game, so remove that one game and he only has 6 TDs and is in his 4th season.

No, the Broncos already picked up his 5th year option and is locked in next year for $13 million. $13 million to a guy who hasn’t broken 1,000 yards yet, GTFO

That as well, has had multiple on field blow ups against both teammates and the refs. There isn’t a single thing about him that makes sense to trade for him. I’d rather overpay in a trade to get Sutton from the Broncos than give up even a 5th rounder to get Jeudy and his contract.

He has $13 million guaranteed next year He has never had a 1,000 yard season He has 9 career TD’s His current team has no interest in re-signing him and wants to get rid of his guaranteed $13 million next year that they decided to pick up with his 5th year option. There is no logical reason to trade for him, which means we’re likely going to do something stupid and trade for him while giving up too much to do so. He’s still living off his first round selection and potential based on talent, but when you can’t succeed in a Sean Payton offense and he wants to trade you, that’s not a glowing recommendation.

First, I never said anything about the coach and absolving him of blame Second, no, we don't go 0-17 if Dalton started all the games as I think he would have beaten both the Falcons and Saints if he played the same way he did against the Seahawks.

If the Bears end up with 1-2, he’s clearly leaving to get drafted along with Harrison, would be wild. But he’s leaving anyways, he can say what he wants now, but when it’s clear he’ll be the #1 pick he’s gone, especially if he wins the Heisman again, no reason to stay and delay the NFL payday that will dwarf NIL

I think it was more of the team shutting him down than him sitting out. There was nothing to gain in playing him in meaningless late season games.

After that trade, if the QB we traded away all those picks and DJ away for, lead us to an 0-17 season, it would be considered the worst season in the history of professional sports. It literally couldn’t be worse, first team to ever go 0-17 and gave away the #1 pick in a draft with a generational talent coming out.

In no world would we be trading Burns for Jeudy unless they're also throwing in their 1st rounder, which they aren't giving up while looking this bad. Jeudy has 972, 856, and 467 yards in his 3 seasons with a total of 9 TDs and has 11 catches for 158 yards and no TDs in 3 games so far this year. He's a diva on the field when the ball isn't going his way but doesn't perform near the level required to be allowed to do that. If he can't perform with Wilson as his QB last year and now Payton as his HC on top of that, why in the world would we expect him to become a #1 with us? I'm not even sure I'd take him for even a late round pick, like a 5th, because the Broncos already picked up his 5th year option and has a guaranteed $13 million next year, would rather have that for free agency or available to take on a contract of a better WR in a trade this offseason.

Does everyone seem to forget that we have an Assistant Head Coach? If Tepper were to shock everyone and actually fire Reich mid-season, it would be an almost certainty that Deuce takes over as HC and keep the coordinators in their existing roles.

Chase is one of the Top 5 WRs in the league and is one of Burrow's best friends, they're not trading him on the hope that they end up with a Top 2 or 3 pick to get Harrison. Also, it would take a HUGE haul to get him, and I don't think he's a great fit for Bryce. Chase is great at almost everything, but his best asset is getting downfield to make plays, Bryce doesn't have the arm to take advantage of that properly. I think we need to get a Cooper Kupp type of player #1 for Bryce. Godwin honestly would be a PERFECT fit for him, but don't see how the Bucs would ever trade him within the division.

The problem is he's probably the most realistic option for us. Higgins - I don't think the Bengals are ready to trade him and I don't think we have what they'd want for him anyways (likely a first) Adams - He doesn't want to lose, he doesn't want to come here Evans/Godwin/London/Pitts - Bucs/Falcons aren't trading them in division Hollywood Brown - Don't think the Cardinals want to trade him plus picks for someone like Burns (which is the trade I'd like to make for a WR if possible) Sutton - Don't think the Broncos would trade him over Jeudy Pittman - Don't think the Colts are trading their top WR and hinder the development of their rookie QB (shocking notion, right?) Those are really the only players I could think of right now other than Jeudy that could be looked at as possibly #1's and also possibly available. My preference would be to trade Burns to the Lions for Jameson and a 1st, but I don't think they'll do that with having to pay Hutchinson after next season. After that it's Burns for Higgins and a 1st or 2nd + something else, but also don't see them doing that either, think they want picks for Higgins. Hence my fear that the only/best option is Jeudy and we're going to be desperate and give up something stupid only for it to blow up in our faces.

My fear is that we're going to give up too much to get someone like Jeudy and then pay him more than he's worth. I think he's very overrated and a bigger diva than his production should allow, his reputation is still riding on being a first round pick, his stats don't back it up.

If nobody was giving up a first, we should have just kept him. The late round picks that were used to get the math to add up to a first value aren't worth giving up a player like CMC (especially when you just package them to move up to take a raw pass rusher who isn't even active on game days). I always thought the view of him being injury prone was nonsense, it's not like he just kept getting small little injuries that kept adding up. He had unfortunate injuries like the player falling on his leg while he was diving in for a TD and causing him a high ankle sprain. That's just a freak injury and isn't indicative of an injury prone player like with Horn who keeps getting non contact injuries and pulled muscles, massive difference. Plus I think in both seasons he was injured late in the year with us, if we were contending, he could have and would have played, but with us already out of it there was no point in risking injury to only potentially hurt out draft pick. Him blowing up with a team that uses him properly was again something that was so easy to predict, just like Bryce struggling in this league due to his limited physical traits.

I still don't understand how people can honestly think Higgins isn't a #1 Far too often in today's NFL fans, they view things in terms of fantasy football, not real life football. No, Higgins isn't a WR1 in fantasy football, he's "just a 2" for fantasy, but there are 32 teams in the NFL, if you don't think he's one of the top 32 WRs in the league, you don't know football. No, he's not a Top 10 guy, but only 10 teams can have a top 10 guy, and that's if no teams have two of them (like the Dolphins might with Tyreek and Waddle). But YES, Higgins is without question a WR1 in real life NFL football, no question about it. Having said that, not sure the Bengals would give him to us for what I'd like, I'd do Burns for Higgins and a high pick (I'd like a first but don't think they do that, maybe a 2nd). But I'm not sure they do that before they know they can't make a playoff run this year, and even then, not sure they're trading Higgins plus a pick for a player they have to give a big contract to, more likely will just trade Higgins for a pick.

And this is why I kept saying he should have stayed on the right where he played well in that first game. He missed most of camp and when he was able to play, he only played on the right at the end of camp and preseason, had not worked on the left at all. I don't care that he played the left in college, the NFL is a different game and he was doing well on the right side, shouldn't have messed with it even once BC went down.

Interesting thought on a Reich replacement after the season.... Mike Tomlin Steelers QB situation isn't going to be fixed this year and it could just be one of those situations where a HC and team both need a fresh start, similar to the Eagles and Reid a while back. With Tepper's connections to the Steelers, I would think he'd have serious interest in him if the Steelers let him go. Think there's also been a Steelers exec that we've been linked to in the past for a GM, so maybe bring them both over in the offseason and start fresh with them?

If Reich didn't want Bryce, I'm 100% on board with firing both Reich and Fitterer today, literally TODAY How can you hire a new HC, then trade away the franchise's future to take an undersized and under skilled QB that he didn't even want? That would just be an utter failure on all accounts, fire Fitterer for taking Bryce and fire Reich for allowing him to take Bryce (if the HC really didn't want him, he could have stopped it and forced our hand to Stroud).